[pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru?
giniajim
jplynch at crosslink.net
Tue Oct 26 09:45:32 CDT 2010
I'd be interested in others' experiences with rain jackets too. Particularly as to how they hold up being worn with a pack...
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From: Julia Marsh
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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru?
I'm researching rain jackets for my 2011 thru hike. I'd like something
lightweight (about 10 ounces) but that can both stand up to downpours in the
NW and is breathable enough to double as a windshirt. Also looking to pay
under $200. Any recommendations? Good/bad experiences? Thanks.
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> 3. Re: Southern PCT in January (Eugene Leafty)
> 4. Re: cyclists (Eugene Leafty)
> 5. Re: 80 lbs (giniajim)
> 6. Re: bikers on trail (AsABat)
> 7. Re: Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 8. Re: 80 lbs (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 9. Re: bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail configuration
> (Timothy Nye)
> 10. Re: Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru (Scott Bryce)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:25:14 +0100
> From: Paul <paul_c at tuxcnc.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] cyclists
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Monday 25 October 2010, Melanie Clarke wrote:
> > The first thing I would like to propose for the safety of all
> > involved would be that Mountain bikes need a certain trail width
> > before they are allowed.
>
> > Please give me your suggestions and feedback about the trail width
> > requirements for cyclist to share the trail.
>
> I don't live anywhere near the areas that the PCT traverses, and have
> only managed to hike short sections during flying visits. However, in
> my travels around the western states, I have seen much..
>
> You guys (on bikes) already have a wide path going from Mexico to
> Canada that offers views of mountains & forests. It is well maintained
> and easily accessable from many large cities - I believe you call it
> the I5. On the eastern side of the mountains, there is always Route
> 395.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 01:36:18 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
> To: dan rapkin <clawsabre97 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> You will be able to get to highway 74, north of Anza without needing
> snow travel gear. The area north of HWY 74 in the Mt San Jacinto area
> could be very dangerous. That would probably be around a week for most
> folks.
>
> There is a chance of snow in the Mt Laguna area, but nothing that
> would impede your travel,
>
> However very cold stormy weather with rain, snow and sub freezing high
> velocity winds are very possible in the higher elevations, but you are
> not ever far from a road in the mountains of San Diego, so bailing
> out, and holding up in a hotel is a viable strategy.
>
> Have fun.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, dan rapkin <clawsabre97 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> > I plan on hiking the southern part of the PCT for about a week in the
> beginning of January for a class requirement for my major over here on the
> east coast at SUNY Plattsburgh. ?I was wondering though what the conditions
> are generally like in January? ?Will I need crampons, snow shoes or ice
> axes? ?I have basic training in the use of ice axes and crampons but I am
> bringing 3 other friends with me who have no training. ?Should I change my
> plan about hiking the PCT in January for something else, warmer? ?I'm really
> not sure, but I want to hike somewhere badly. ?Thank you in advance for your
> advice-Dan
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> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:04:15 -0700
> From: Eugene Leafty <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
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> I'll second what Brick said. You don't need any snow tools south of Hwy
> 74.
> Even with snow you could probably make it to Fobes Saddle. Whatever snow
> falls is mostly gone in a couple days, but the trail layout is forgiving
> enough that you shouldn't have any trouble at all even if the snow stuck
> around for a while. Even though you guys may have stoves, you may be
> interested in knowing that the drinking fountain at the visitors center at
> Mount Laguna is heated and works all year. Water may still be a problem
> from Sunrise Trailhead to 3rd Gate...or even to Barrel Spring. I'd advise
> checking the water cache and water report. Also, as Brick said, it does
> get
> cool and windy. I'm not sure how cold, but I experienced low 20's south of
> Lake Morena last February.
>
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> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:21 PM
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> Subject: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
>
>
> Hey Guys,
> I plan on hiking the southern part of the PCT for about a week in the
> beginning of January for a class requirement for my major over here on the
> east coast at SUNY Plattsburgh. I was wondering though what the conditions
> are generally like in January? Will I need crampons, snow shoes or ice
> axes? I have basic training in the use of ice axes and crampons but I am
> bringing 3 other friends with me who have no training. Should I change my
> plan about hiking the PCT in January for something else, warmer? I'm
> really
> not sure, but I want to hike somewhere badly. Thank you in advance for
> your
> advice-Dan
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> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:11:00 -0700
> From: Eugene Leafty <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] cyclists
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> I don't really have a problem with mountain bikes on the trail, but I have
> a serious problem when they bring their motorized dirt bikes to adjust
> existing trail or build new ones. If I knew they weren't into trail
> building I'd be happy to share the trail with them.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:25:57 -0400
> From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 80 lbs
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> Thanks! Sometimes its good to share gear lists, and experiences with
> specific pieces of equipment.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Reinhold Metzger
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:08 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] 80 lbs
>
>
> ginniajim wrote:
> I was sort of looking for specifics, you know, brands, types, models,
>
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> giniajim wrote:
> Would you mind posting your base gear? I'm stuck at 10 lbs. :/)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> It is listed in paragraph 4....7lb I could only get that light with a
> homemade tent & pack and a 1lb sleeping bag.
> JMT Reinhold
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> You're going to make me go through all that work?
> OK....I will try to get that for you ...but not today.
>
> BTW.....I forgot to list the cooking gear, repair kit and a few other
> minor items on the itemized list.
> But they are included in the total base weigh of approximately 7lb.
> If I knew I would have to go through all this I would not have mentioned
> it
>
> JMT Reinhold
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> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:34:16 -0700
> From: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail
> To: Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>
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> It was two solo bikers, he had a badge, a ticket book, and a cop's manner
> of
> speaking with an attitude that got your attention. He told me they both
> laughed at him even until the judge hit them with the fine.
>
> And, As A Bat, how does a single hiker give a ticket to 5-8 bikers? I
> > certainly would have liked to have had the power to have done so and not
> > just been an impotent old lady hiker.
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:29:25 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
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>
> On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:06 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > Someone wrote about hiking in Chaco's.
>
> That was me. They don't work in the snow. The snow accumulates under
> your toes making it hard to walk. Every few steps I had to shake the
> snow out. Chacos also have piss-poor traction on snow or anything. I
> have been thinking of having them resoled at the cobbler to put a
> real sole on. Chaco USA will just put the same sole on.
>
> > I haven't tried them, but we have
> > gravitated toward simpler and lighter shoes. Our current shoe
> > preferences
> > have almost no support. They are a slab of foam with some mesh to
> > hold it
> > under the foot. They're very light, and our feet are stronger and
> > ache less.
>
> What shoes are these?
>
> I have been moving toward simpler shoes, too. First I switched from
> leather boots to light canvas boots. Then from high tops to low tops.
> The switch to low tops was miraculous for me. I have ankles like tree
> stumps and finally I could USE them! Then I made a mistake and bought
> motion control shoes on the trail and broke my feet completely and
> had to get off. So I made sure after that to get shoes that were
> flexible. Still wasn't quite enough because all the heel rise and
> especially that crater your forefoot falls into caused pain. Not to
> mention that they just don't make shoes shaped like a real foot.
> Chacos have a huge arch bump which can bother me, but otherwise are
> pretty simple. Hopefully I will be able to make something that works
> for me. It's pretty much come to that, I'm afraid.
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:45:50 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 80 lbs
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> On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:06 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] 80 lbs
>
> It seems you have misunderstood me.
>
> If anyone wants to carry a heavy load that's their choice. I often
> say that. But I don't recommend it. I recommend the same things that
> Yogi or Warner Springs Monte recommend. I learned from them.
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:13:01 -0700
> From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail
> configuration
> To: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>
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> After hiking from Sierra City to Belden last month I reached the same
> conclusion as to the effort by bikers to create their own reality. The
> forest service, even when presented an opportunity for enforcement refused.
> (A group of four mountain bikers on section M up to the A tree and back,
> same jersy, pick-up vehicle decorated with decals of their club. I also
> believe that absent something being done in the very near future that the
> trail will legalized for mountain bikers.
>
> Moutain biking wasn't in existence when the trail was chartered. Also,
> (subject for a much longer post in the future) the PCTA may now well view
> the potential addition of mountain bikers as a new and lucrative source of
> additional income....In fact, if the bikers got there act together and
> hired
> a lobbiest ... Rather than relying on outside enforcement from a
> disinterested or nonexistent agency in lean economic times self enforcement
>
> While hiking it occured to me that the constant trail maintance actually
> attracts bikers. I passed a trail crew (Butte) after the A tree and they
> merely shrugged about the proliferation of bikers stating that it wasn't
> their concern and certainly they aren't an enforcement entity. However,
> the portions of the trail where slides occur and aren't repaired, or are
> perceived as too dangerous appear immune to bike trespass.(Absence of
> tracks)
>
> It seems to me that changes could be made in trail maintenance that are
> consistent with equestrian and hiker use, but inconsistent with mountain
> bikes. For example, increasing the depth and angle to the trail of
> drainage
> steps would be a good start; so that at a foot and a half high the bike
> rider would be forced to dismount and at such an angle to the trail that
> the
> step could not be approached on the perpendicular again fostering the
> necessity of a dismount. If such obstacles were every 50 feet or so for a
> half mile or so every so often where they can't be easily circumvented thy
> could be effective. I noted that crews in section L from Donner to Sierra
> City had in some places apparently deliberatly left dead falls, but these
> were in places that tney were easily passed and new bike ways simply went
> around them.
>
> Sections L and M would be a good place for a demonstration project. I live
> in sacramento and would be glad to participate.
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:34 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
>
> > It was two solo bikers, he had a badge, a ticket book, and a cop's manner
> > of
> > speaking with an attitude that got your attention. He told me they both
> > laughed at him even until the judge hit them with the fine.
> >
> > And, As A Bat, how does a single hiker give a ticket to 5-8 bikers? I
> > > certainly would have liked to have had the power to have done so and
> not
> > > just been an impotent old lady hiker.
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:16:04 -0600
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On 10/26/2010 7:29 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
> >> Our current shoe preferences have almost no support. They are a
> >> slab of foam with some mesh to hold it under the foot. They're very
> >> light, and our feet are stronger and ache less.
> >
> > What shoes are these?
>
>
> That sounds like Nike Free Runs. My daughter is military. That is what
> she wears during her physical training. There is almost nothing to them.
> They are very flexible.
>
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