[pct-l] 80 lbs

[Tortoise]

I think Ned has more than adequately "justified" and discussed his 80+ 
pound pack. The pack contained what he needed for that trip and the 
purposes of the trip.

I don't follow some of Ned's choices when I go, nor do I follow some of the 
ULer's either. I've had long exchanges on this list about hiking speed and 
daily distance covered. I don't care to resume those exchanges.

Tortoise

<> Because truth matters! <>

On 10/18/10 19:45, Wes Rose wrote:
> No doubt Ned is a wonderful human being and I'd love to take one of his snow courses one of
> these days. When he, or anybody else, engages in a convesation (or numerous conversations)
> regarding gear and pack weight - as Ned does regularly - his own practices and thresholds come
> into consideration.  His backpack is huge and extremely heavy.  In all of his posts that I've read,
> I cannot recall reading that he carries 80lb or 90lb packs.  To say that this is an extremely heavy
> pack would not be an overstatement, and asking him about his preferences does strike me as
> snide or unreasonable, respectfully.
>
> Congrats and thanksgiving for Ned's skills, which possibly saved your friends life, and no offense
> intended at all, but I honestly don't see a connection between a 90lb pack and the ability to dress
> a wound and call for help.
>
> Obviously Ned isn't comfortable discussing his pack weight.  Too bad.  Maybe there is something there
> for me to learn from?  Dunno.  The majority here appear to be ULers, but both sides have something to
> teach.
>
> Best regards to your friend and a speedy recovery.
>    ----- Original Message -----
>    From: Jim&  Jane Moody
>    To: ned at mountaineducation.org
>    Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net ; Wes Rose ; reinholdmetzger at cox.net
>    Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:05 PM
>    Subject: Re: [pct-l] 80 lbs
>
>
>    From Wes Rose:  One wonders what the payoff is for Ned?
>
>
>    It wasn't just Ned who got a payoff.  I was with the group that included Calorie when he fell in Onion Valley and suffered a severe cut.  We stopped the bleeding, but the expertise that Ned, John, and Matt provided, including communication gear we didn't have, was invaluable and possibly life-saving.
>
>
>
>    For at least one day, can we please refrain from the snide comments about Ned and his heavier gear and thank God that he was where he was on 14 June.
>
>    Thank you,
>
>    Mango
>
>
>
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