[pct-l] 80 lbs

[Reinhold Metzger]

  Yes,
That is the big difference between "UL &  Heavy Truckers".
UL is nice as long as the going is good, but when the wheels come off 
and you need a wrench the "Heavy Trucker" pulls out the wrench and takes 
care of the problem.
The "UL" on the other hand, who does not have a wrench, is stuck in the 
mud.
Hardcore old timers like Ned understand that and don't mind the extra 
weight to be prepared.
It is not a problem if you are in good shape.

Yes quit picking on Ned and HYOH.
UL is not the only way...maybe your way...but not the only way.
There is no absolute correct way .
Whatever works for you is the correct way for you but not necessarily 
the way for everybody.
The pack weight is usually contingent upon the type of hike, the hikers 
comfort level and the hikers condition.
I hike on both sides of the fence (UL on my speed hikes, Heavy Trucker 
with the scouts or my wife) and understand both sides of the argument 
and respect both ways.
There is nothing wrong with the Heavy Trucker just like there is nothing 
wrong with the Ultralighter.

JMT Reinhold
The UL Heavy Trucker
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On 10/18/2010 3:02 PM, Scott Williams wrote:
> That was a hell of a day, and I agree with you Mango, we all benefited 
> by the extra gear Ned was carrying, and his expertise in dealing with 
> what could have been a much more tragic outcome.  Thank you Ned, and 
> all the SAR folks who made that extrication as successful as it was.  
> I got some great shots of the chopper coming in and trying 
> unsuccessfully to land in that snow filled canyon on the orange tent 
> we had staked out, and the later deployment and recovery of Calorie at 
> the Onion Valley parking lot.
>
> I read Jardine's first book years ago, and have been incorporating UL 
> gear and practices into my own backpacking ever since.  I love my oh 
> so much lighter load, and would never go back to the heavy packs of my 
> youth, I'm not strong enough to carry them now, but I do see the 
> benefit of looking at my safety gear again, and maybe updating my 
> emergency response training.  It was clear that we all could have used 
> some of Ned's knowledge, ability and gear on that day.
>
> Thanks again Ned.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net 
> <mailto:moodyjj at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     >From Wes Rose:   One wonders what the payoff is for Ned?
>
>
>     It wasn't just Ned who got a payoff.  I was with the group that
>     included Calorie when he fell in Onion Valley and suffered a
>     severe cut.  We stopped the bleeding, but the expertise that Ned,
>     John, and Matt provided, including communication gear we didn't
>     have, was invaluable and possibly life-saving.
>
>
>
>     For at least one day, can we please refrain from the snide
>     comments about Ned and his heavier gear and thank God that he was
>     where he was on 14 June.
>
>     Thank you,
>
>     Mango
>
>
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