[pct-l] Snow shoes-recommendation
dougearly at aol.com
dougearly at aol.com
Tue Nov 2 18:29:53 CDT 2010
I am planning on doing a trip thru the Three Sisters Wilderness Area in a couple of weeks. We already have about 18-24" of snow up there. I was wondering of a good recommendation of snowshoes, so that I can practice for the PCT if I need them. We should be getting more snow soon, so I would plan on about 24-36" of snow tops- I know that walking thru would be too deep but snowshoes would work. Does anyone know how much mileage you can expect to achieve with snow shoes? I know there are plenty of variables, but a guideline.
I am also doing this to test my winter gear for a thru PCT hike.
trackz man
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1. Re: Trail workers/thru-hikers (giniajim)
2. Re: Are the trails easy to follow without relying on a map?
Seeking Hiking companion (Eugene Leafty)
3. Re: Trail workers/thru-hikers (Jim & Jane Moody)
4. Re: Trail workers/thru-hikers (giniajim)
5. Re: Trail workers/thru-hikers (Kevin Cook)
6. Re: Winter Hiking the Desert Section (Ernie Castillo)
7. Thanking the trail crews (Jim Banks)
8. Re: Trail workers/thru-hikers (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
9. McNuggets Don't Spoil? (bighummel at aol.com)
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ate: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:15:47 -0400
rom: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] Trail workers/thru-hikers
o: "Kevin Cook" <hikelite at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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If a passing hiker offered me a "friendship bracelet" I would either decline it
r think "geez, now something else I've got to carry out to the trash".
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From: Kevin Cook
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail workers/thru-hikers
I want to give them a gift in ADDITION to my expressions of gratitude. I
always stop and talk to trail workers when I come across them. I don't
expect to be in such a hurry on the PCT that I will have to change that
behavior. If I can't stop to talk to those folks, then there's something
going wrong with my hike! LOL
I kinda like the friendship bracelet idea. They are lite. They are also
something they could keep as a reminder. On the other hand, I don't wear
things like that. I imagine someone like me might appreciate the gesture,
but then feel guilty if they didn't keep the item. I suppose it could be
hung on a pack or something if they don't want to wear it. How about
something like this?
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=49
Now we're getting somewhere! Now it's something useful too! How many folks
are in a typical trail crew? 6, 12, 20? How many crews might I see along the
way? I just want an idea of how many to make. Maybe I'll bring extra cord
and make them along the way?
@ Jim and Mike,
I had the same thought. They have more supplies than I do, so that's why I
was worried that a piece of candy would not mean much to them since they
probably have more than I do. That's why I'm really liking this bracelet
idea. Cheap, easy, lightweight, and a useful item to have in the
backcountry.
What does everyone think? If you were a trail crew, would you appreciate
something like this?
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>wrote:
> While out working on a trail I have found that a sincere thank you from a
> hiker is enough to lift my spirits.
>
> I have also found that trail workers tend to be better supplied than hikers
> and are more apt to have goodies with them.
>
> on the other hand as a hiker I always make an effort to sincerely thank any
> trail workers for their efforts & let them know it is appreciated.
>
> hm
>
> --- On *Tue, 11/2/10, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail workers/thru-hikers
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 1:47 PM
>
>
> In response to this thread, I have a question for those who do trail
> maintenance, on the PCT, or elsewhere.
>
> If I wanted to bring some token to show my appreciation, when I come across
> a trail worker, what would you recommend? I was thinking a candy bar or
> something. I usually carry some mini candy bars when I hike, so I was
> thinking I would just try to make sure I always have a few extras with me
> to
> hand out. Do you think that would be appreciated by a trail worker, or
> could
> it be taken as trivializing their efforts. I want to tell them thank you in
> some way that would be meaningful. The thought of handing them money seems
> tacky to me. I don't want to carry something real heavy obviously, so any
> other ideas?
>
> I'd also like to take this opportunity to express my deep thanks to
> everyone
> who has helped build the PCT. Thank you!
>
> --
> ~ Kevin
> Soon To Be PCT Thru Hiker!
> "The indoor life is the next best thing to premature burial." Edward Abbey
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM, <abiegen at cox.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=abiegen@cox.net>>
> wrote:
>
> > I was surprised to see the comments about the conflict between hikers and
> > trail workers. This year while hiking with Wimbledon and Carrol we came
> > across a group of trail workers. We made sure to stop and let them know
> that
> > we appreciated the work that they were doing. Chatted with them for
> several
> > minutes. I do a lot of trail work where I live - or at least used to do
> a
> > lot before arthritis in my shoulder slowed me down - so I appreciate the
> > work and know how important it is to let the workers know that their work
> is
> > appreciated.
> >
> > TRASH!=JERK
> >
> > There are a few possibilities that I can picture:
> >
> > 1. If the thru-hikers were tired and the work was being done on a long
> > uphill, they may have worn down and not been in best spirits and best
> > behavior. Also some thru-hikers are racing against the clock. If the work
> is
> > being done in a way that holds the hiker up and they are trying to get to
> > the PO before it closes, they may not be in the best mood. Like in Real
> > Estate - it could be about location, location, location.
> >
> > 2. I know that the FS standard for steps is the perfect height for stock
> -
> > I call them horse steps. As a hiker, I feel that they are a little too
> high
> > for hiking. I'm not that crazy about them but I wouldn't complain to a
> trail
> > worker about them and in many cases they are better than no steps.
> Perhaps
> > someone was not overjoyed to see more added.
> >
> > 3. There is the possibility that there are a few jerks out there. I
> didn't
> > meet any but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
> >
> > 4. Since the complaint came from only one person maybe it was an outlier
> > where that one person had their own issues that were being projected on
> the
> > thru-hikers.
> >
> > I would be interested in hearing from other trail workers. One point of
> > data is not enough to really understand if there is a real issue or not.
> I
> > am suspicious that this person put off all hiking on the PCT because of
> this
> > - there must me more to it than we are hearing. You don't hear of someone
> > giving up driving because there are jerks out there. Why would you give
> up
> > something that you say you love because of a few bad apples? Very
> strange.
> >
> > TrailHacker
> >
> > "When my feet hurt, I can't think straight"
> > Abraham Lincoln
> >
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Message: 2
ate: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 12:18:06 -0700
rom: Eugene Leafty <atetuna at hotmail.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] Are the trails easy to follow without relying on
a map? Seeking Hiking companion
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Snow has fallen a couple times in southern California already. It's not
ticking, but it will stick long before you'd get past it. It's not easy to
ollow a trail when you can't see it and you have no map. It could go bad.
t has before. John Donovan. Snow. San Jacinto. Bad maps. No compass.
trayed from the PCT. Bad decisions. Dead. I'm not saying you can't do it,
ut if you don't make it you'll be the idiot that died because you didn't do
ommon sense things like bringing a map.
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n Behalf Of Andres Guerrero
ent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:23 PM
o: pct-l at backcountry.net
ubject: [pct-l] Are the trails easy to follow without relying on a map?
eeking Hiking companion
Namaste,
Leaving from San Diego, going
orthbound; not in a hurry to sojourn up north.
Are their hikers
ho depart in November?
ust sound impetuous to an experienced hiker,
yet I thrive on being unconventionally spontaneous.
Aum Shanti
hanti Friends
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ate: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:46:47 +0000 (UTC)
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I've done a little trail maintenence on the AT and have passed many other
orkers while hiking.? Besides a "thank you", I think maintainers appreciate
eing asked if we can take their picture.? Seeing yourself at work in some thru
iker's journal a few days later is very gratifying.?
Mango
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rom: "Mike Cunningham" hikermiker at yahoo.com
While out working on a trail?I have found that a sincere thank you from a hiker
s enough to lift my spirits.
have also found that trail workers tend to be better supplied than hikers and
re more apt to have goodies with them.
n the other hand as a hiker I always make an effort to sincerely thank any
rail workers for their efforts?& let them know it is appreciated.
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ate: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:47:24 -0400
rom: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
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o: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>, "Mike Cunningham"
<hikermiker at yahoo.com>
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That's a good one! Include them in your journal. Likes it!
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From: Jim & Jane Moody
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Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail workers/thru-hikers
I've done a little trail maintenence on the AT and have passed many other
orkers while hiking. Besides a "thank you", I think maintainers appreciate
eing asked if we can take their picture. Seeing yourself at work in some thru
iker's journal a few days later is very gratifying.
Mango
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From: "Mike Cunningham" hikermiker at yahoo.com
While out working on a trail I have found that a sincere thank you from a
iker is enough to lift my spirits.
I have also found that trail workers tend to be better supplied than hikers
nd are more apt to have goodies with them.
on the other hand as a hiker I always make an effort to sincerely thank any
rail workers for their efforts & let them know it is appreciated.
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ate: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:00:48 -0700
rom: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] Trail workers/thru-hikers
o: "Jim & Jane Moody" <moodyjj at comcast.net>
c: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I like this idea too! Talk about lightweight! Carrying a couple extra
ictures doesn't change the weight of my pack at all! :)
So nobody likes the idea of the paracord survival version of the friendship
racelet? I thought that was a good idea. Oh well :P
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>wrote:
> I've done a little trail maintenence on the AT and have passed many other
workers while hiking. Besides a "thank you", I think maintainers appreciate
being asked if we can take their picture. Seeing yourself at work in some
thru hiker's journal a few days later is very gratifying.
Mango
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Cunningham" hikermiker at yahoo.com
While out working on a trail I have found that a sincere thank you from a
hiker is enough to lift my spirits.
I have also found that trail workers tend to be better supplied than hikers
and are more apt to have goodies with them.
on the other hand as a hiker I always make an effort to sincerely thank any
trail workers for their efforts & let them know it is appreciated.
--
Kevin
oon To Be PCT Thru Hiker!
The indoor life is the next best thing to premature burial." Edward Abbey
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ate: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:03:02 -0400
rom: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] Winter Hiking the Desert Section
o: <minesbernard at yahoo.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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grew up in Victorville, which is approximately equal distance (in thru-hiker
stimates) from Big Bear, Wrightwood, and Cajon Pass. I also hiked the PCT in
980 so I can offer an opinion on the topic.
inters in the High Desert section can be extremely cold. Consider that the wind
lows down from the mountains and you can imagine why. So if you are going to
ike the desert section in winter, dress warmly.
nd I am only talking about the desert section, not the mountainous sections of
he PCT. If you are going to hike in the San Jacinto, San Gabriel, and Angeles
orest areas plan for cold and snow.
rnie Castillo, one of those crazy guys who kept swapping hiking partners and
ecame known as the Revolving Ramen for this habit as much as their diet, PCT
lass of 1980
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:03:41 -0700
From: minesbernard at yahoo.com
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Winter Hiking the Desert Section
I'd be curiuos to hear educated opinions about hiking the desert section in
inter.
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ate: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 13:05:18 -0700
rom: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
ubject: [pct-l] Thanking the trail crews
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A thank you and a brief chat are always nice, but the most important thing
ou can do to thank trail crews is to commit to join a trail crew yourself.
The trail needs all the volunteers it can get.
I-Beam
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ate: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:16:25 -0700
rom: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
ubject: Re: [pct-l] Trail workers/thru-hikers
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n Nov 2, 2010, at 12:14 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
I want to give them a gift in ADDITION to my expressions of gratitude.
I did a section hike in the Liebres last spring and there happened to
e a trail working crew there at Sawmill camp. They were looking for
hru-hikers to invite to dinner and a campfire. They let me hang out
ven though I wasn't a thru-hiker.
From talking with them for a while, I'm pretty certain that if they
ere to choose any gift under the sun, what they would probably like
ost of all is a donation to the PCTA so that they can do more
olunteer work trips like this.
Diane
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Message: 9
ate: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:45:38 -0400
rom: bighummel at aol.com
ubject: [pct-l] McNuggets Don't Spoil?
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My co-worker just told me that, apparently, McNuggets don't spoil over extended
eriods of time. Can anyone confirm this? Sounds like another great trail food!
reg Hummel
Carry on, love is coming, love is coming to us all"
CSN
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