[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 29, Issue 99
Brian Gill
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Sat May 22 09:07:51 CDT 2010
Here Justin , some very good app info on the iPhone from pct hikers.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2010, at 9:18 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
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> 1. Re: PCT Section D - Ice Axe Recommended? (Donna "L-Rod" Saufley)
> 2. Iphone GPS Question (PCTPANAMA at aol.com)
> 3. Re: Follow-up to the earlier GPS discussion (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 4. Re: 40 mile reroute?? (Halfmile)
> 5. Re: 40 mile reroute?? (Halfmile)
> 6. Re: Iphone GPS Question (Bill Burge)
> 7. Re: Iphone GPS Question (Jim Keener ( J J ) )
> 8. Re: Iphone GPS Question (Halfmile)
> 9. Re: Iphone GPS Question (Tom Holz)
> 10. Re: Iphone GPS Question (Bill Burge)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: "Donna \"L-Rod\" Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Section D - Ice Axe Recommended?
> To: "Blanchard,Sym (GT&D)" <SWB3 at pge.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I asked folks coming in who have been over Baden Powell. It's
> doable without an ice axe, but some felt more comfortable with one.
> Entirely a personal choice, based on your own comfort level and
> abilities with snow travel. You can count on there still be snow on
> Baden.
>
> L-Rod
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Blanchard, Sym (GT&D)" <SWB3 at pge.com>
>> Sent: May 21, 2010 10:27 AM
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Section D - Ice Axe Recommended?
>>
>>
>> I am planning to hike Section D (with the detours) this weekend
>> through
>> early next week.
>>
>> Do you think an ice axe for self-arrest is necessary at this time?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Symbiosis
>>
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> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 22:58:46 -0400 (EDT)
> From: PCTPANAMA at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Iphone GPS Question
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> What's the best GPS app for the iphone ? Panama
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:16:57 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Follow-up to the earlier GPS discussion
> To: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good evening, Carl,
>
>
>
> When hiking I don?t try to log my entire track so I have no reason
> to leave
> the GPS on all the time. I may turn it on 5-6 times per day, and
> then only
> for a short time. Two AAA batteries have always lasted me between
> resupply
> points but I carry an extra pair anyway, at 0.39 ounces each. In
> town, I
> arbitrarily change the used pair in the instrument. Maybe, if it
> was a
> really bad snow year, I would carry two extra pairs instead of one.
>
>
>
> My only predictable use of the GPS is in the evening while I?m in
> the sack
> writing my daily journal notes. I turn the GPS on long enough to
> get me a
> tight campsite location to include in the notes, and I save that
> point in
> the GPS memory by date. There?s really no good reason for this but
> when I
> get home I like to import and save all my campsite locations on the
> TOPO!
> mapping software.
>
>
>
> During the day when I stop to take a breather I may turn the GPS on
> briefly
> to affirm my location just out of curiosity. The quick way I do
> that is to
> select the ?nearest waypoint? function. That tells me where I am
> relative
> to the waypoints that I happen to have onboard. These occasional
> checks
> also serves a semi-useful purpose: The time required for the GPS to
> gather
> information and determine a location is dependent upon how far one has
> traveled and how much time has passed since the last log-on, so these
> occasional start-ups help the GPS to react more quickly when I
> really need
> it.
>
>
>
> I do install a few hundred waypoints, and some of my favorites are
> the big
> passes. The ridges in the Sierras can run every-which-way and the
> trail
> approaches to the passes aren?t always intuitive. For example the
> approach
> to Muir Pass is across some pretty big expanses of snowpack and the
> nominal
> approach heading is approximately southwest. On other passes the
> actual
> crossing point isn?t readily apparent from below. Approaching
> Forester for
> example, few people can guess which little notch has the actual pass.
>
>
>
> After crossing a pass the nominal north side is usually more heavily
> snow-covered than the approach side, but a quick glance at the map
> will show
> that the trail drops down into a huge drainage and generally follows
> the
> outflow creek. One seldom needs a GPS for that: Just head downhill
> and keep
> the eyes open for the trail. Usually I can easily see it below
> somewhere so
> I just head for it on the most promising route across the snowpack.
>
>
>
> I will admit that sometimes I pick one of my waypoints to ?go-to?,
> and I
> keep the GPS on and watch the distance click down just so I can see
> how
> close I happen to be when I reach it -- mildly amusing in a geeky
> sort of
> way.
>
>
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> As usual, very interesting post, Steel-Eye.
>>
>> I'm a long-time map and compass guy, so I'm in the habit of
>> carrying the
>> folded map in my front pocket and pulling it out frequently (say,
>> every 20
>> minutes) for a reality check. I usually don't stop or even slow
>> down for
>> this, and don't bother orienting the map; just look at the terrain
>> and
>> compare it with topo terrain.
>>
>> Given the limited battery life, I'm curious about how you GPSers
>> operate.
>> Am I correct in assuming that you can't just routinely leave the
>> thing on
>> and follow it? What about when you're traveling across snow? Leave
>> it on
>> continuously while on that terrain? Otherwise, do you flip it on
>> only when
>> you think you might be off trail? Or do you do periodic checks
>> every ___
>> minutes/hours? Or???
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:57 PM, CHUCK CHELIN
>> <steeleye at wildblue.net>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> well-marked nature of the PCT occasionally exacerbates the
>>> problem. To be
>>> effective with only a map and compass it is necessary to maintain
>>> close
>>> and
>>> ongoing situational awareness of the terrain by looking at the map
>>> regularly
>>> and always rationalizing the apparent terrain with the terrain
>>> depicted on
>>> the topo? map. When doing so, one must stop instantly whenever
>>> there is a
>>> real-vs-map disconnect or inconsistency and do whatever is
>>> necessary to
>>> resolve the issue before proceeding further. Any continued travel
>>> without
>>> resolution is most likely to increase the confusion rather than
>>> resolve
>>> it.
>>>
>>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:23:23 -0700
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 40 mile reroute??
> To: Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I have maps of the Station Fire detour here:
> http://www.pctmap.net/detour/
>
> Or you can download the same map at www.pcta.org.
>
> The Forest Service rescinded the original Station Fire detour on 5/17
> and a new detour route has been created. This has caused some
> confusion. The current Station Fire detour no longer goes through the
> North Fork Saddle area but remains on paved roads after Devils
> Punchbowl.
>
> -Halfmile
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Someone on Postholerrecently ?referred to a 40 mile road walk down
>> is SoCal
>> due to a fire detour. ?Does anyone know where that detour is and is
>> it
>> really 40 miles? ?Just curious.
>>
>> Jalan
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> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:23:23 -0700
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 40 mile reroute??
> To: Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I have maps of the Station Fire detour here:
> http://www.pctmap.net/detour/
>
> Or you can download the same map at www.pcta.org.
>
> The Forest Service rescinded the original Station Fire detour on 5/17
> and a new detour route has been created. This has caused some
> confusion. The current Station Fire detour no longer goes through the
> North Fork Saddle area but remains on paved roads after Devils
> Punchbowl.
>
> -Halfmile
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Someone on Postholerrecently ?referred to a 40 mile road walk down
>> is SoCal
>> due to a fire detour. ?Does anyone know where that detour is and is
>> it
>> really 40 miles? ?Just curious.
>>
>> Jalan
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:27:15 -0700
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Iphone GPS Question
> To: PCTPANAMA at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Depends on what you want it for...
>
> Start here http://postholer.com/smartPhone.html#AppendixII and it
> will refer to:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2009-September/029867.html
>
> That info is a little dated, but it will give you enough info to get
> you started. I should refresh the analysis, but I've been a little
> busy.
>
> BillB
>
>
> On May 21, 2010, at 7:58 PM, PCTPANAMA at aol.com wrote:
>
>> What's the best GPS app for the iphone ? Panama
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> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:31:26 -0700
> From: "Jim Keener ( J J ) " <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Iphone GPS Question
> To: "PCTPANAMA at aol.com" <PCTPANAMA at aol.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I tested six GPS apps and settled on MotionX GPS.
>
> Jim Keener ( J J )
> http://postholer.com/jj
>
> On May 21, 2010, at 7:58 PM, PCTPANAMA at aol.com wrote:
>
>> What's the best GPS app for the iphone ? Panama
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> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:58:24 -0700
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Iphone GPS Question
> To: PCTPANAMA at aol.com
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> I still a fan of the Basic GPS app on the iPhone.
> All it does is give coordinates of your location, but it's accurate,
> doesn't require phone service, supports UTM, and it's one of the few
> apps that supports the NAD27 map datum. It has a useful way to toggle
> the GPS off and on to save battery life. The iPhone GPS drains the
> battery pretty fast.
> http://www.basicgps.net/
>
> In one of Bill's linked email's he states "All in all, the iPhone is a
> pretty mediocre GPS compared to a full featured GPS like a Garmin"
> which is still true especially for a PCT hiker. Be careful of iPhone
> GPS apps that look cool, but require phone service, can't store maps
> for offline viewing, use maps that don't display the correct PCT
> location, can't easily import waypoints and other data and you have a
> pretty short list to consider after that.
>
> But an iPhone (with Basic GPS) will give you accurate coordinates of
> your current location, which can be a really useful information to
> know assuming you have maps with UTM grids.
>
> -Halfmile
>
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:58 PM, <PCTPANAMA at aol.com> wrote:
>> What's the best GPS app for the iphone ? ? ? Panama
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> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:11:57 -0700
> From: Tom Holz <tom.holz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Iphone GPS Question
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> The GPS does drain the battery real quick, but I've grown to like Topo
> Maps--you can cache nice scans of the usgs quads, and it will display
> waypoints from gpx files (the help files shows downloading a zip file
> from pctmap.net).
>
> It doesn't do tracks or recording, buts it's a nice "where am I" app,
> which I've used a couple times. I keep my phone off most of the time,
> and wheni do have it on, I don't leave any apps running.
>
> Bigfoot
>
> On May 21, 2010, at 8:58 PM, Halfmile <list at lon.net> wrote:
>
>> I still a fan of the Basic GPS app on the iPhone.
>> All it does is give coordinates of your location, but it's accurate,
>> doesn't require phone service, supports UTM, and it's one of the few
>> apps that supports the NAD27 map datum. It has a useful way to toggle
>> the GPS off and on to save battery life. The iPhone GPS drains the
>> battery pretty fast.
>> http://www.basicgps.net/
>>
>> In one of Bill's linked email's he states "All in all, the iPhone
>> is a
>> pretty mediocre GPS compared to a full featured GPS like a Garmin"
>> which is still true especially for a PCT hiker. Be careful of iPhone
>> GPS apps that look cool, but require phone service, can't store maps
>> for offline viewing, use maps that don't display the correct PCT
>> location, can't easily import waypoints and other data and you have a
>> pretty short list to consider after that.
>>
>> But an iPhone (with Basic GPS) will give you accurate coordinates of
>> your current location, which can be a really useful information to
>> know assuming you have maps with UTM grids.
>>
>> -Halfmile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:58 PM, <PCTPANAMA at aol.com> wrote:
>>> What's the best GPS app for the iphone ? Panama
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:18:00 -0700
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Iphone GPS Question
> To: halfmile at pctmap.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, PCTPANAMA at aol.com
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>
> Yup, there's the rub. If you want maps AND an app that shows you
> your location on said maps - the choice gets complicated.
>
> If you have coverage and can get maps on the fly, then Motion-X is
> very cool and powerful AND Gaia GPS is also really good.
>
> BUT, if you have to PRELOAD the maps, both of these fall short.
> They can give you your coordinates, but Basic GPS can do that as
> well and easier and cheaper.
>
> If you need to preload maps, Topo Maps is better, but still can be
> confusing to get all the right maps. Map Candy makes getting the
> right maps easier, but the maps are not quite as good.
>
> Then we could talk about price, but I don't have those current
> numbers at hand...
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2010, at 8:58 PM, Halfmile wrote:
>
>> I still a fan of the Basic GPS app on the iPhone.
>> All it does is give coordinates of your location, but it's accurate,
>> doesn't require phone service, supports UTM, and it's one of the few
>> apps that supports the NAD27 map datum. It has a useful way to toggle
>> the GPS off and on to save battery life. The iPhone GPS drains the
>> battery pretty fast.
>> http://www.basicgps.net/
>>
>> In one of Bill's linked email's he states "All in all, the iPhone
>> is a
>> pretty mediocre GPS compared to a full featured GPS like a Garmin"
>> which is still true especially for a PCT hiker. Be careful of iPhone
>> GPS apps that look cool, but require phone service, can't store maps
>> for offline viewing, use maps that don't display the correct PCT
>> location, can't easily import waypoints and other data and you have a
>> pretty short list to consider after that.
>>
>> But an iPhone (with Basic GPS) will give you accurate coordinates of
>> your current location, which can be a really useful information to
>> know assuming you have maps with UTM grids.
>>
>> -Halfmile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:58 PM, <PCTPANAMA at aol.com> wrote:
>>> What's the best GPS app for the iphone ? Panama
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