[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Transportation from Cascade Locks to Portland

[Bruce Randall]

Does anyone know how I would get from PCT somewhere around Cascade Locks to
the Portland airport? Is there some Columbia Area Transit that could get me
from Mt Hood to Hood River to catch a bus to Portland as there seems to be
no bus service in Cascade Locks.

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:37 PM, <pct-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:

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>   1. Re: Rattlesnake Bites / MODERN Emergency Room Doc viewpoint
>      (Don Billings)
>   2. Re: Mt San Jacinto snow photos (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
>   3. Re: dime bags (Tortoise)
>   4. Re: dime bags (dicentra)
>   5. Re ticks in So Cal (Georgi Heitman)
>   6. A spring poem (jomike at cot.net)
>   7. Fw: RE:  Subject:  dime bags (linsey)
>   8. Re: Mt San Jacinto snow photos (gwschenk at socal.rr.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:06:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Don Billings <dbillings803 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rattlesnake Bites / MODERN Emergency Room Doc
>        viewpoint
> To: Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
> Cc: Pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Jim,
>
> What you stated appears to be mostly up to date.
>
> There is an ER medical doc in Southern California whose specialty is snake
> bites. He produced a paper for the medical community which I read
> and found to be useful to lay people. About 1/3 of it was too technical,
> but 2/3 of it was pretty darn clear. They also did a TV special
> on the guy because his own son was bitten by a snake (probably due to
> following his father's interest in snakes).
>
> Essentially, the doc stated several things that I'll post here.
>
> He stated that the "cut & suck" method of years back has been found nearly
> worthless and that there is no real field treatment. The
> treatment for snake bite today is MED-I-VAC to the nearest medical
> facility. The victim is not supposed to walk if possible, but
> transported by whatever means available. Most bites (roughly half) are "dry
> bites" where the snake penetrates the victim with its fangs but does not
> inject venom... this is a puncture wound that still requires medical
> treatment.
>
> In the old days, they used to ask that victims kill the snake and bring it
> in for ID in order to determine the proper anti-venom medicine. That is no
> longer the case. The modern snake anti-venom vaccine has been formulated to
> work on the most common bite venoms. i.e. combo effectiveness.
>
> THE MOST INTERESTING ASPECT OF HIS INTERVIEW: most people think that the
> anti-venom stops the damage to the victim. It does not.
> Repeat: anti-venom does not stop the venom damage. It stops fatalities. The
> damage to the human body often results in loss of use of the
> affected part (fingers, hand, toes, feet) for months. Sometimes, amputation
> is required. So snake bites are still a very, very serious injury
> even though, as you said, they are somewhat rare so long as the hiker keeps
> his feet and hands out of areas that might hide snakes. i.e. rocks,
> wood piles, etc. So, although modern anti-venom medicine has reduced
> fatalities in the USA to about 1% or less each year, the physical
> damage to victims can be major, irreversible, and permanent.
>
> Hope this helps. If you would like a link to the doc's paper, I can try to
> find it for you. I found it after realizing that I had not idea of how to
> respond to a snake bite emergency for myself or others... and I began to
> research via google. I had asked some fellow hikers what they
> would do in the event of a bite and they had no clue, either, after we had
> just passed a very beefy, 4 foot rattler. FYI: there is a brand of
> snake gators on the market and their website shows a demo with live snakes
> biting the wearer as he taunts them. Maybe 85% of the strikes,
> as you can see in the video, are between the kneed and the ankle. Some were
> on the top of the foot itself.
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 5:46:26 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Rattlesnake Bites
>
> I was an Emergency Medical Technician while working with the U.S. Forest
> Service for 10 years back in the 1970's and early 1980's.  In all that
> time,
> plus over 40 years of backpacking, I have never seen a snake bite.  They
> are
> very rare.  Most cases occur when someone is messing around with the snake.
>
>
>
> The latest Wilderness Medicine Institute's backcountry first aid book says:
>
>
>
> 1.        Get away from the snake.
>
> 2.       Try to remain as calm as possible to keep your heart rate down.
>
> 3.       Remove anything that might restrict circulation (rings, tight
> belts, etc.)
>
> 4.       Gently wash the bite sight
>
> 5.       Keep the bite site on a level with the person's heart (obviously
> this is not going to work if they were bitten on the leg and they have to
> walk out)
>
> 6.       Get the person to a doctor.  Carry them if you can, but if not
> help
> them walk slowly
>
> 7.       Give acetaminophen for pain, but do NOT give any kind of
> nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen and aspirin
>
> 8.       Do NOT use cold packs, tourniquets, cutting, or sucking.
>
>
>
>
>
> I-Beam
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:27:11 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt San Jacinto snow photos
> To: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
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> Your recollection is very accurate based on the photos.? The nice thing is
> that we have the better part of 1 month left before most thrus reach this
> area and there should be some significant melt between now and than.? Even
> with snow coverage (as there was in 2006), if there is decent warming temps
> the snow is typically soft enough, even on the north facing slopes, to allow
> for safe travel.? I would continue to recommend monitoring the melt and time
> the crossing of Fuller Ridge to allow for?a crossing during the middle of
> the day.? May have some postholing but it is easier to cross when the snow
> is soft.
>
>
>
> Elevator
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AsABat" <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> To: "PCT PCT List" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:44:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt San Jacinto snow photos
>
> Helpful pics. Looking at #2 starting at the bottom edge, the PCT climbs the
> ridge side of the Desert Divide ridgeline (snow on east side visible), goes
> around Red Tahquitz (middle of pic, ridge runs left-right) and hits Saddle
> Junction at the left end of the forested valley in the middle of the pic -
> with lots of snow visible under the trees. The PCT then climbs the slope to
> the north and contours high on the visible bowl facing the viewer, and
> curves behind the mountains. Fuller Ridge is visible at the back end of the
> mountain complex (before the drop into San Gorgonio Pass and I-10, which is
> between San Jacinto and the snows ridge of San Gorgonio past it. With snow
> visible on the south side of Fuller Ridge, much snow should be expected on
> the north side.
>
> (From memory at my desk, so...)
>
> AsABAt
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Timothy Akin <timothyakin at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > I was able to take these photos yesterday - 3/23/10 - on my flight from
> Los
> > Angeles to Santa Fe, NM and back. ?The snow may not look like much from
> > 25,000', but if you look carefully, and imagine being on the mountain,
> you
> > would encounter plenty of snow (and ice) right now above about 8,000'.
> > Be careful out there.
> >
> > http://web.me.com/timothyakin/John_Muir_Trail_09/Last_Import.html
> >
> > Tim Akin
> > aka Clockwise
> > Placerville, CA
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> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:36:21 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] dime bags
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> One can also buy small bags suitable for meds in drug stores and at
> least on the accessories rack by the pharmacy at my local Safeway.
>
> Office supply stores may also have various sizes of small zippler close
> bags.
>
> Tortoise
>
> Because truth matters"
>
>
> On 03/24/10 09:00:46, Dan Africk wrote:
> > A while back I ordered a bunch of heavy duty zip locks in assorted small
> > sizes, I don't remember which seller it was but ebay is the way to go.
> The
> > ones I have are pretty thick plastic, I think about 3 or 4 mil. I've got
> > plenty of certain sizes, so If anyone needs just a few, I'd be happy to
> send
> > you some. Just contact me off-list and I'll give you my address, and you
> can
> > send me a SASE(self-addressed stamped envelope), and tell me about how
> many
> > of each size you need. I'll have to check when I get home, but off the
> top
> > of my head, I think I have 3x4, 4x6, 2x6, and a few others I can't
> remember.
> > I'll send another post tonight after I check what sizes I have. I know
> I'm
> > out of the 2x3 size, if anyone has any extras of those, I'd like to trade
> > for some. 3x4 and 2x3 are the most useful in my experience.
> >
> > These bags are great, I used them for batteries, matches, loose teas,
> backup
> > protection for liquids or anything messy(i.e. ointment packets inside of
> my
> > first aid kit), and a dozen other things.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] dime bags
> To: Tortoise73 at charter.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Craft supply stores ususally have something similar - check with the
> beading supplies.
>
> And stores that sell herbs in bulk have them too! :)
>
> ~Dicentra
> ?
> http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ <http://www.onepanwonders.com?%7E>Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 10:36:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] dime bags
>
> One can also buy small bags suitable for meds in drug stores and at
> least on the accessories rack by the pharmacy at my local Safeway.
>
> Office supply stores may also have various sizes of small zippler close
> bags.
>
> Tortoise
>
> Because truth matters"
>
>
> On 03/24/10 09:00:46, Dan Africk wrote:
> > A while back I ordered a bunch of heavy duty zip locks in assorted small
> > sizes, I don't remember which seller it was but ebay is the way to go.
> The
> > ones I have are pretty thick plastic, I think about 3 or 4 mil. I've got
> > plenty of certain sizes, so If anyone needs just a few, I'd be happy to
> send
> > you some. Just contact me off-list and I'll give you my address, and you
> can
> > send me a SASE(self-addressed stamped envelope), and tell me about how
> many
> > of each size you need. I'll have to check when I get home, but off the
> top
> > of my head, I think I have 3x4, 4x6, 2x6, and a few others I can't
> remember.
> > I'll send another post tonight after I check what sizes I have. I know
> I'm
> > out of the 2x3 size, if anyone has any extras of those, I'd like to trade
> > for some. 3x4 and 2x3 are the most useful in my experience.
> >
> > These bags are great, I used them for batteries, matches, loose teas,
> backup
> > protection for liquids or anything messy(i.e. ointment packets inside of
> my
> > first aid kit), and a dozen other things.
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> >? ?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:14:16 -0700
> From: Georgi Heitman <bobbnweav at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re ticks in So Cal
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Lyme Disease can be picked up from ticks in the Quincy, CA in NO. Cal, area
> as well, so watch carefully any 'bites' there.  The tick may no longer be
> present, as in a hiker's case last summer, but the disease was.  It was
> first recognized by Brenda Braaten at the Braatens of Little Haven in
> Belden
> (they're from back east and are familiar with Lyme disease) and then
> treated
> at the hospital in Quincy. Be forewarned.....
> FireFly
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:20:45 -0700
> From: <jomike at cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] A spring poem
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Sharing this just for fun. Excuse the off topic.
>
> are we there yet
>
> _____________________________________________________
>
> The seasons are shifting, The winter shades lifting,
> The springtime is filling
> Earth's children with mirth.
> The daffodil yellow, The south wind so mellow,
> The gentle rain falling,
> Upon the green earth.
> The song sparrow singing, New life quickly springing,
> All nature is telling
> A tale of rebirth:
> The deep wells of being, Beyond each day's seeing,
> O'er flowing with new Life,
> Restoring the earth.
>
>  - David E. Bumbaugh, "Spring", 1998
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:30:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fw: RE:  Subject:  dime bags
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, bluebrain at bluebrain.ca
> Message-ID: <392205.85220.qm at web37102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 3/24/10, linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Little bags like this are commonly
> > found in convenience stores, especially the ones with a drug
> > paraphernalia section.? They are often behind the
> > counter so you must ask for them, then explain that you are
> > an ultralight distance hiker not a drug dealer.
> >
> > Sincerely, Lollygag 2010 sobo hopeful
> >
> > (Potential 178 wrote....
> >
> > In 07 someone on the list picked up and was kind enough to
> > share a large
> > supply of itty-bitty zip-loc bags - perfect for spices,
> > vitamins, etc -
> > almost anything we might want to carry in small quantities
> > or split into
> > small bags for our resupply boxes, etc.? I'm wondering
> > if anyone knows where
> > these can be acquired?)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ? ? ?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:37:26 +0000
> From: <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt San Jacinto snow photos
> To: PCT PCT List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20100324183726.A3B7P.581176.root at hrndva-web26-z01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> With the warm weather we've been having lately, a lot of this will be gone
> in a month.
>
> Gary
>
> ---- jeff.singewald at comcast.net wrote:
> >
>
> Your recollection is very accurate based on the photos.  The nice thing is
> that we have the better part of 1 month left before most thrus reach this
> area and there should be some significant melt between now and than.  Even
> with snow coverage (as there was in 2006), if there is decent warming temps
> the snow is typically soft enough, even on the north facing slopes, to allow
> for safe travel.  I would continue to recommend monitoring the melt and time
> the crossing of Fuller Ridge to allow for a crossing during the middle of
> the day.  May have some postholing but it is easier to cross when the snow
> is soft.
>
>
>
> Elevator
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AsABat" <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> To: "PCT PCT List" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:44:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt San Jacinto snow photos
>
> Helpful pics. Looking at #2 starting at the bottom edge, the PCT climbs the
> ridge side of the Desert Divide ridgeline (snow on east side visible), goes
> around Red Tahquitz (middle of pic, ridge runs left-right) and hits Saddle
> Junction at the left end of the forested valley in the middle of the pic -
> with lots of snow visible under the trees. The PCT then climbs the slope to
> the north and contours high on the visible bowl facing the viewer, and
> curves behind the mountains. Fuller Ridge is visible at the back end of the
> mountain complex (before the drop into San Gorgonio Pass and I-10, which is
> between San Jacinto and the snows ridge of San Gorgonio past it. With snow
> visible on the south side of Fuller Ridge, much snow should be expected on
> the north side.
>
> (From memory at my desk, so...)
>
> AsABAt
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Timothy Akin <timothyakin at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > I was able to take these photos yesterday - 3/23/10 - on my flight from
> Los
> > Angeles to Santa Fe, NM and back.  The snow may not look like much from
> > 25,000', but if you look carefully, and imagine being on the mountain,
> you
> > would encounter plenty of snow (and ice) right now above about 8,000'.
> > Be careful out there.
> >
> > http://web.me.com/timothyakin/John_Muir_Trail_09/Last_Import.html
> >
> > Tim Akin
> > aka Clockwise
> > Placerville, CA
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