[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 27, Issue 102

Tue Mar 16 14:22:38 CDT 2010

Steel Eye

Thank you for taking the time to respond with thoughtful and supported feedback.  I will take this heart and vacuum seal the trail mix.

Be well

Justin

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> 1. ADZPCTKO Volunteering (Bradley Issler)
> 2. GPS (DAVID DRUM)
> 3. Casinos (William A. Chavez)
> 4. SoCal Snow Course is ON! (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 5. Re: ADZPCTKO registration is open (dicentra)
> 6. Re: Resupply Food Spoiling (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 7. Re: Warner Springs Ranch in escrow (Tortoise)
> 8. Re: Jim still has the best answer :) (Tortoise)
> 9. Country Store on Hwy 138 Open? (Mary Kwart)
> 10. Re: Can't sleep (Tortoise)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:07:27 -0700
> From: Bradley Issler <bradley.issler at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Volunteering
> To: PCT-1 <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hey all,
> 
> I registered for the kickoff, but I did not see anywhere on there a place to
> volunteer to work the kickoff. Anyone know about that?
> 
> Jukebox.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:57:23 -0700
> From: DAVID DRUM <davedrum at wildblue.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] GPS
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> At first I thought are you kidding, you don't need a GPS on the PCT, but
> then I had a flashback from 1983. A friend and I were xc-skiing in
> Yellowstone, we had camped at Lonestar geyser the night before, it was a
> beautiful morning sunny and warm, so a quick day ski to Shoshone Lake would
> be perfect. It was 8 miles to the lake, such a nice day we wouldn't need to
> bring anything, first mistake. My friends shoulder was bothering him and he
> wanted to turn back, I figured we were almost to the lake, he went back, I
> was off to the lake, second mistake. It started to snow, just a light snow,
> the lake is so close I could feel it, I kept going, third mistake. Finally I
> made it to the lake, by now it was really coming down and the fog was
> rolling in. Do I stay at the lake, I was so stupid, I didn't even have
> matches, just a light fleece jacket, I didn't know if I could survive the
> night. So I took off back to Lonestar, probably fourth mistake. At first it
> wasn't too bad I could make out landmarks, but as I gained elevation it got
> worse, pretty soon I could just make out the ski tracks at my feet, picture
> trying to follow a trail with a five gallon bucket on your head, only able
> to see your feet, if you think a map and compass would get you out of this,
> think again. I had been skiing for way too long, I knew I was lost, but I
> was still following some ones ski trail so I hadn't given up getting out of
> this mess. It was getting dark when I almost skied into a hot creek, I
> started kicking out steps to get down to it (seven feet of snow on either
> side), at least I wouldn't freeze to death. As I was working my way down to
> the creek the fog was lifting and I noticed a beautiful green tent about 20
> feet away, they were quite surprised,(husband and wife) invited me to
> share their tent and food, wonderful people.
> 
> So moral of the story,if you never make mistakes you won't need a GPS, if
> you do and get stuck in a white out it might possibly save your life,
> provided you know how to use it.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:12:39 -0700
> From: "William A. Chavez" <wctrekker at dslextreme.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Casinos
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <A5B433E4-7D3D-4C8D-9E78-BF8A52B60078 at dslextreme.com>
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> I guess it really doesn't matter what I think but I would hate to see 
> a "Pechanga" style resort(high rise, parking structure etc.) at 
> Warner Springs.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:15:50 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] SoCal Snow Course is ON!
> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
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> OK, here is the formal announcement:
> 
> Mountain Education will be conducting a special version of their free, 3-day snow skills training weekends in the Idyllwild area of Southern California (Saddle Junction on Mt. San Jacinto, to be more specific) on the weekend following the ADZPCTKO at Lake Morena. It will be a Friday, Saturday, Sunday event patterned after the Lake Tahoe versions described in the Snow Course Description at http://postholer.com/SnowTravel. 
> 
> A special SoCal Snow Course Description will be posted soon on our Postholer Forum site so all who are interested can get prepared for how it works, what to bring, and what we will be instructing. 
> 
> There are already too many hikers committed to attending, but in an effort to help thrus and others learn the basic skills of self-arrest, safe ascent and descent strategies, avalanche awareness and avoidance, over-snow navigation, and more, we are not excluding anyone from attending. We just need to know the names, cell numbers, and home towns of those who are definitely going to show up. 
> 
> Thanks so much for all your interest in mountain safety, realistic preparation, and skills training and we look forward to meeting all of you at the KO and the SoCal SC the weekend thereafter!
> 
> 
> 
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> P.O. Box 1477
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96156
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO registration is open
> To: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <240343.64909.qm at web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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> 
> WOOT!!
> 
> I'm all registered up! Countdown = 37 days (not that I'm excited or anything...)
> 
> ~Dicentra
> ?
> http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
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> ________________________________
> From: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 2:25:37 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO registration is open
> 
> http://pct77.org/adz for information and registration.
> 
> (You would've known this on Sunday if you followed us on Twitter:
> @adzpctko.)
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:35:50 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Resupply Food Spoiling
> To: Steve McAllister <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
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> Good morning,
> 
> 
> 
> When I think about long storage times for foods ? particularly nuts ? I?m
> reminded of ?Flying Brian? Robinson?s 2001 attempt to hike a single-season
> Triple-Crown. Impressed with that considerable ambition I followed his
> progress via his journals. About half way through the adventure he made
> this entry:
> 
> 
> 
> June 5 9:30 PM. Desolation Wilderness, CA.
> 
> ?I'm back on the trail again and feeling much better so far. When I ate
> some of the trail mix left over from the last section, it tasted bad. The
> peanuts, I think, have a problem. It would sure explain my problems if I've
> been "poisoning" myself with some food. It's also true that the times I've
> really felt like I couldn't eat another bite were just after eating the
> trail mix. Snickers Bars and other stuff always went down more easily. I'm
> going to try to avoid the trail mix for a while, and if I run out of other
> food, try the new bag first.?
> 
> Subsequently Brian finished the 7,371 mile, 300-day trip on 27 October,
> 2001.
> 
> Enjoy your planning,
> 
> 
> 
> Steel-Eye
> 
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Steve McAllister
> <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Nuts and anything that contains fat can usually go bad. It depends a lot on
> > temperature that they are being strored at an if oxygen is present,
> > If nuts are refrigerated they can last months, but kept at room
> > temperature,
> > not so long.
> >
> > Dehydrating meals that contain fat can also go rancid. So make your meals
> > fat free and add the fat when you prepare them on the trail.
> >
> > The exception would be fats that have been converted into a persevered
> > state
> > such as dried salami.
> > If nuts are stored in a container that doesn't contain oxygen, like canned
> > nuts, they will last much longer.
> >
> > Dehydrated eggs usually taste weird because the fat has been treated to
> > keep
> > it from going rancid.
> >
> > More...
> >
> > stevie
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jim Keener ( J J ) <
> > pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Nuts!
> > >
> > > I have read two journal accounts of hikers getting sick from stale
> > > mixed nuts.
> > >
> > > Jim Keener ( J J )
> > > http://postholer.com/jj
> > >
> > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Justin Smith <justinsmith91 at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Getting ready to put my resupply boxes together... has anyone had
> > > > any bad experiences with food spoiling or going stale (i.e. foods
> > > > from a bulk bin: almonds, corn chips, dried fruit)? I am under the
> > > > impression it sits in the bins for a while, but it is being refilled
> > > > as people purchase it... would it be worth it to vacuum seal it?!
> > > > Your thoughts... Thanks
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:51:55 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Ranch in escrow
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> Up here in Crescent City, one rancheria (tribe) bought some land a few 
> years ago and then had the land taken into trust by the BIA (or 
> something like that) so they could build a "destination resort" 
> including a casino. So that tribe may be able to have it taken into 
> trust and then add a casino.
> 
> The tribe up here also owns and runs a golf course and bowling alley.
> 
> FWIW
> 
> Tortoise
> 
> Because truth matters"
> 
> 
> On 03/16/10 07:21:43, Scott Bryce wrote:
> > Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com wrote:
> > 
> >> That was my thinking as well. I hope they can reroute the trail when
> >> that happens.
> >> 
> > Thoughts:
> >
> > I don't know if they can put a casino on land that is not part of a
> > reservation, or is gambling legal in California?
> >
> > Casinos usually mean all you can eat buffets. It is a little early on
> > the trail for hiker hunger to kick in, but an AYCE would still be nice.
> >
> > If you don't want to stop in WS, you can just stay on the trail.
> >
> > I hope the grill at the golf course stays open. That is great food.
> >
> > In any case, I would hate to see WS resort turned into a casino. It is a
> > great facility the way it is.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:01:57 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jim still has the best answer :)
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> From my old history we were doing the Hat Creek Rim. I had my GPS along 
> and had loaded waypoints for potential road crossing where we would 
> cache water. Driving out to put out the caches before we started, the 
> GPS was useful in determing which roads were the roads we wanted. One 
> was more of a lane with no recent traffic apparent. Also used the GPS to 
> mark out water caches. This helped.
> 
> When I got back, I uploaded our track to the computer. In TOPO! the 
> track was off a little from the trail in TOPO!. In DeLorme the trail was 
> way, way off from actual, so far off it could have lead one astray.
> 
> So GPSs are handy and so are maps. But either or both may be wrong -- 
> trail mapped inaccurately or relocated since the maps were made and updated.
> 
> Tortoise
> 
> Because truth matters"
> 
> 
> On 03/16/10 08:30:16, AsABat wrote:
> >> 
> >>>> We've stood there looking at [the GPS] and it's saying the trail is over
> >>>> 
> >> there but
> >> we're not believing it.
> >> 
> >
> > This happened to me in rain storm. I was using map and compass, another
> > hiker using a mapping GPS. We got off trail in some brushy blowdowns. He
> > insisted the trail was over there, but couldn't find it. I just backtracked
> > 100 feet to where we lost the trail, took a compass bearing, and saw the
> > trail going through the brush. The GPS map had the trail well off to the
> > right.
> >
> >
> > 
> >>>> A compass or a GPS is worthless without the ability to make good
> >>>> 
> >> decisions.
> >> 
> >
> > Yes, knowledge is the most important tool. Compasses and GPSrs just give you
> > the information to use that knowledge on .
> >
> >
> > 
> >>>> The trail is well marked. There are extra markings in the form of
> >>>> 
> >> ducks or sticks laid out to spell H2O or to make little arrows.
> >>
> >> 
> > You've never seen a kid move the markers as a joke? It's not funny.
> >
> >
> > 
> >>>> People have written arrows with sharpies on things.
> >>>> 
> >
> > Graffitti.
> >
> > 
> >>> There are footprints all over the trail and the snow.
> >>> 
> > Which brings us back to the thruhiker lost on Fuller Ridge who finally found
> > and followed footprints that led to another thruhiker who was also lost.
> >
> > AsABat
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:00:37 -0700
> From: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Country Store on Hwy 138 Open?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hello:
> 
> Does anyone know if the Country Store on Hwy 138 near Lancaster, CA is open? I have been calling them for days with no answer. I have been using the number in Yogi's guide from 2009. I want to send a package there for my section hike that starts next week.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --Fireweed
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:07:44 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Can't sleep
> To: Eugene <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Although you are waking up a lot, you may be getting more sleep than you 
> realize since you don't feel sleep deprived.
> 
> Tortoise
> 
> Because truth matters"
> 
> 
> On 03/16/10 07:27:30, Eugene wrote:
> > I've found that I can't get much sleep while I'm on the trail. At most
> > I've probably had 2 hours a night total, although usually a lot less, and
> > split up in smaller chunks. I think I'm anxious about the passings
> > critters and immigrants, at least in Section A where I've been hiking
> > where there's plenty of evidence of both. I know I tend to listen hard to
> > everything I hear at night. Should I wear earplugs, take sleeping pills,
> > give it more time, something else?? Of course that may not be enough
> > either since I tend to get up half a dozen times to piss, which is
> > something I never do at home. The sleep thing really sucks because I love
> > being out on the trail during the day, but the nights may ruin it for me.
> > What's weird is that I don't feel sleep deprived, but this can't be good,
> > and it could end up being very very bad. Please throw any and all advice
> > at me, especially if you've had the same problem and got over it.
> >
> > Eugene
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