[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 30, Issue 40
Rod Johnson
rjohnson at midwestmtn.com
Mon Jun 14 10:12:38 CDT 2010
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> 1. White Pass parking (Randy Forsland)
> 2. repairing jacket (Sherry Smith)
> 3. Re: Sorta OT - Reaction to Abby Sunderland's Rescue
> (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> 4. Opinions? Gossamer G4 vs. Mariposa Plus (Madeline Yacoe)
> 5. Re: Lost: one spring, please return to Seattle if found
> (Nathan Miller)
> 6. Re: Sorta OT - Reaction to Abby Sunderland's Rescue (giniajim)
> 7. Re: Sorta OT - Reaction to Abby Sunderland's Rescue (G L)
> 8. Re: Kennedy Meadows North? (CClark)
>Does anybody have any experience with leaving a car at the White Pass trail
>head parking lot for a few weeks? I'm planning on hiking from White Pass to
>Cascade Locks starting on 8/20. That would put me in Cascade Locks in time
>for the annual PCT Trail days festivities. I managed to squeeze some extra
>vacation time out of my employer, so i was thinking that after the PCT
>event, that I would catch a ride up to the Dinsmores and hike back to White
>Pass from there.
>
>I've never left a vehicle anywhere for that length of time and was wondering
>if I should be worried...I usually take public transportation, but the
>logistics of this particular hike make that very difficult.
>
>Redwood
>
>PS- PCT MOM, It looks like I will be able to come up there and pay you a
>visit...looking forward to it.
>
>Hi all.
>I have a Columbia hooded jacket, breathable, rainproof. At a campground when leaving the rest room something on the door put a slit about an inch long in my sleeve. Does anyone know how I might be able to repair my jacket?
>Thanks,
>Sherry
>
>
>
>
>In my household we disagree about this event. I say more power to her
>and he says kids that age have no business doing something like that.
>
>Does our upbringing have something to do with that? He had a nurse
>mother who told him stories of kids coming in to the hospital
>suffering all kinds of horrible diseases and accidents. My mom was a
>70s feminist who dragged her daughters around the country with a tent
>trailer which at that time was a brave thing for a woman to do
>without a man present.
>
>Anyway, that girl who sailed looks to me like someone who can handle
>it. I wouldn't have even thought up something that adventurous at
>that age. All I wanted then was a dark tan.
>
>On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:16 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>> So by now moist everyone knows about Sutherland's rescue. There was
>> an article in the LA times about her reaction to people
>> condemnation of her age and the season she made the attempt.
>> Nothing really surprising until I started reading peoples comments.
>>
>> Take a look for yourselves at the LA Times Article:
>> http://tinyurl.com/33mkznb
>>
>> My company is working on a project that has made me look at how
>> generation X and (even more so) the millennial generation are
>> abandoning experiencing nature. One of the more disturbing factors
>> is what I have come to call "The Fear" that people permeate in
>> discussions regarding experiences that occur out in natural. Also,
>> having just finished reading "Last Child in the Woods" as part of
>> my research for this project it was especially poignant for me to
>> read the comments from people about Abby's failed attempt.
>>
>> All of my context for my research has been related to why young
>> people are not hiking, camping, fishing, hunting or just playing in
>> the local woods anymore. But the response in the comments of this
>> article are also blatantly ripe with "The Fear" that parents are
>> now passing on to their kids.
>>
>> Our daughter was 15 when she spent her first summer working a pack
>> station in the central Sierras. My wife and I were not naive to the
>> unique dangers she would be exposed to working with large animals
>> over treacherous terrain but we were also certain it would be a
>> rewarding experience for her that would help shape her in a way
>> that High School could never do. I won't bother to go into all the
>> details but she is 21 now and by far the most grounded person I
>> have ever met in her age group.
>>
>> So were Abby's parents reckless in supporting her quest to
>> circumnavigate the world? You can guess my opinion, but I would
>> like to hear from a group of people of whom most are not influenced
>> by "the Fear".
>>
>> BigToe
>
>Books I've written:
>~ Piper's Flight
>~ Adventure and Magic
>~ Santa Barbara Hikes
>http://stores.lulu.com/dianesoini
>
>We're not here for a long time, but we are here for a good time
>
>
>I am trying to decide which pack to buy for a 2011 thru hike and I would
>like input from people who have tried these.
>
>It looks like the Gossamer G4 is lighter, bigger, and cheaper than the
>Mariposa Plus. The only differences I see are the Y strap vs. lash strap
>closure, slightly different pockets on the right side, slightly different
>shock cord loops, and the aluminum curved stay. I don't really understand
>the difference.
>
>Pack comparison chart:
>http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/pack_matrix.html
>G4: http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/G4.html
>MARIPOSA PLUS:
>http://www.gossamergear.com/cgi-bin/gossamergear/Mariposa_Plus.html
>
>Have you tried frameless packs? The Mariposa comes with that aluminum curved
>stay, which I think is supposed to transfer weight more effectively to the
>hip belt. I'm not really sure how much of a difference that will make, or
>how effectively the pad will do that job. If it makes a big difference, it
>would probably make the Mariposa more comfortable. Otherwise, I'm inclined
>to go for the slightly larger pack. Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Madeline
>
>> You know how we had lower-than-average snowfall in the
>> Northwest last
>> winter? Yeah, well, we just set a record today.
>> Seattle *still* hasn't
>> gone over 75 degrees this year, which is the latest on
>> record. Still lots
>> of snow in the mountains. Grrrr.
>
>Here in NW Oregon, we just caught up with the water-year average a couple of weeks ago. With our first 8-degree weather this weekend, I think we've finally found our own spring. My aunt in Anderson (right next to Redding, CA) reported lots of late rain and less-warm-than-usual temps recently. I expect it to be a good year for an early July hike on the Hat Creek Rim, which I'll be doing right after July 4th weekend. BTW, if anyone's expecting to be in the area that week and might like to accompany me, let me know. My cousins are interested in joining me, but I don't know if they've been successful in securing time off from work and my wife really doesn't like me hiking along (although so far, she's relented and let me do so anyway).
>
>-Nate the Trail Zombie
>Newberg, OR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I'm fine with the thing. The kid was obviously well prepared and the boat was strong and well-equipped. When the boat survives a de-masting and the kid is able to get an emergency message out, tells me that (1) the kid was prepared, and (2) the boat was good and (3) the right equipment was on board. A sixteen year-old can be pretty grown up and this one seems to be.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sorta OT - Reaction to Abby Sunderland's Rescue
>
>
> In my household we disagree about this event. I say more power to her
> and he says kids that age have no business doing something like that.
>
> Does our upbringing have something to do with that? He had a nurse
> mother who told him stories of kids coming in to the hospital
> suffering all kinds of horrible diseases and accidents. My mom was a
> 70s feminist who dragged her daughters around the country with a tent
> trailer which at that time was a brave thing for a woman to do
> without a man present.
>
> Anyway, that girl who sailed looks to me like someone who can handle
> it. I wouldn't have even thought up something that adventurous at
> that age. All I wanted then was a dark tan.
>
> On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:16 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > So by now moist everyone knows about Sutherland's rescue. There was
> > an article in the LA times about her reaction to people
> > condemnation of her age and the season she made the attempt.
> > Nothing really surprising until I started reading peoples comments.
> >
> > Take a look for yourselves at the LA Times Article:
> > http://tinyurl.com/33mkznb
> >
> > My company is working on a project that has made me look at how
> > generation X and (even more so) the millennial generation are
> > abandoning experiencing nature. One of the more disturbing factors
> > is what I have come to call "The Fear" that people permeate in
> > discussions regarding experiences that occur out in natural. Also,
> > having just finished reading "Last Child in the Woods" as part of
> > my research for this project it was especially poignant for me to
> > read the comments from people about Abby's failed attempt.
> >
> > All of my context for my research has been related to why young
> > people are not hiking, camping, fishing, hunting or just playing in
> > the local woods anymore. But the response in the comments of this
> > article are also blatantly ripe with "The Fear" that parents are
> > now passing on to their kids.
> >
> > Our daughter was 15 when she spent her first summer working a pack
> > station in the central Sierras. My wife and I were not naive to the
> > unique dangers she would be exposed to working with large animals
> > over treacherous terrain but we were also certain it would be a
> > rewarding experience for her that would help shape her in a way
> > that High School could never do. I won't bother to go into all the
> > details but she is 21 now and by far the most grounded person I
> > have ever met in her age group.
> >
> > So were Abby's parents reckless in supporting her quest to
> > circumnavigate the world? You can guess my opinion, but I would
> > like to hear from a group of people of whom most are not influenced
> > by "the Fear".
> >
> > BigToe
>
> Books I've written:
> ~ Piper's Flight
> ~ Adventure and Magic
> ~ Santa Barbara Hikes
> http://stores.lulu.com/dianesoini
>
> We're not here for a long time, but we are here for a good time
>
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>Well it's simple. You're right, and he's wrong.
>
>As Abby herself said quite rightly, her age had nothing to do with the storm and or the wave that broke her mast.
>
>Whenever I have conversations with non-hikers about some of my trips, the reaction I usually get is shock. "Don't you take a gun?" "Aren't you worried about crazy people out there?" I'm sure you've all heard the comments.
>
>And when I point out there are quite a few women who hike the PCT solo too, some of them just shake their heads in disbelief. So for you guys who think Abby shouldn't be doing what she was doing, let me ask a question: should we ban women from the PCT too, because it's not safe for them?
>
>The real question we should ask is whether she was prepared and experienced enough to undertake the task responsibly. She was, and that should be the end of it.
>
>By the way, her 17 year old brother did the same thing last year, didn't he? How come nobody is freaking over that? Sixteen year old Australian Jessica Watson just finished sailing around the world last month, and nobody threw a hissy fit over what she did. The only difference between Jessica and Abby is that Jessica had the good fortune of not having her mast broken by a wave.
>
>Tell "him" to quit being such a girly man. Life is about adventure.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
> In my household we disagree about this event. I say more power to her
>and he says kids that age have no business doing something like that.
>
>Does our upbringing have something to do with that? He had a nurse
>mother who told him stories of kids coming in to the hospital
>suffering all kinds of horrible diseases and accidents. My mom was a
>70s feminist who dragged her daughters around the country with a tent
>trailer which at that time was a brave thing for a woman to do
>without a man present.
>
>Anyway, that girl who sailed looks to me like someone who can handle
>it. I wouldn't have even thought up something that adventurous at
>that age. All I wanted then was a dark tan.
>
>On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:16 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>> So by now moist everyone knows about Sutherland's rescue. There was
>> an article in the LA times about her reaction to people
>> condemnation of her age and the season she made the attempt.
>> Nothing really surprising until I started reading peoples comments.
>>
>> Take a look for yourselves at the LA Times Article:
>> http://tinyurl.com/33mkznb
>>
>> My company is working on a project that has made me look at how
>> generation X and (even more so) the millennial generation are
>> abandoning experiencing nature. One of the more disturbing factors
>> is what I have come to call "The Fear" that people permeate in
>> discussions regarding experiences that occur out in natural. Also,
>> having just finished reading "Last Child in the Woods" as part of
>> my research for this project it was especially poignant for me to
>> read the comments from people about Abby's failed attempt.
>>
>> All of my context for my research has been related to why young
>> people are not hiking, camping, fishing, hunting or just playing in
>> the local woods anymore. But the response in the comments of this
>> article are also blatantly ripe with "The Fear" that parents are
>> now passing on to their kids.
>>
>> Our daughter was 15 when she spent her first summer working a pack
>> station in the central Sierras. My wife and I were not naive to the
>> unique dangers she would be exposed to working with large animals
>> over treacherous terrain but we were also certain it would be a
>> rewarding experience for her that would help shape her in a way
>> that High School could never do. I won't bother to go into all the
>> details but she is 21 now and by far the most grounded person I
>> have ever met in her age group.
>>
>> So were Abby's parents reckless in supporting her quest to
>> circumnavigate the world? You can guess my opinion, but I would
>> like to hear from a group of people of whom most are not influenced
>> by "the Fear".
>>
>> BigToe
>
>Books I've written:
>~ Piper's Flight
>~ Adventure and Magic
>~ Santa Barbara Hikes
>http://stores.lulu.com/dianesoini
>
>We're not here for a long time, but we are here for a good time
>
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>We resupplied at KM North about three years ago. We hitchhiked down from Sonora Pass. It's a long, long, long, winding road. It's illegal to hitch in the back of a pickup, but we were passed in both directions by highway patrol who turned their heads and pretended not to see us. We didn't wait more than 15 minutes for a ride in either direction. Both drivers took all three of us -- two men and one woman.
>
>We had sent ourselves a package ahead of time. I don't recall paying them any fee for holding it. We did buy a dinner and some drinks at the KM restaurant. We paid some minimal campground fee, well worth the price.
>
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