[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 136

[Bill Burge]

Wow canoeman!

Less beer or more spell checker!  ;-)

I use OHV areas and am considered an OHV when I'm off the pavement.

Does THIS look like an SUV to YOU!?!?

http://www.4footed.com/images/current.jpg

Not a completely recent pic, but what the hay...

I'm almost more insulted being called an "SUV" than being lumped in  
with the "those OHV people"!  :-D

har har har...

BillB



On Jan 29, 2010, at 7:13 PM, canoeman at qnet.com wrote:

> Ya I dont think your getting the gist of my post.
> A jeep is a licecneced highway vehicle that is used of road, it is  
> not a ohv
> Dirt bikes quads, mules these are ohv's
> ohv means not registered to go on highways.
> this should clear this point up.
> DIRT BIKES = OHV
> JEEPS ARE SUV'S OR FOUR WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES, not ohv,s
>
> canoeman
>
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>>   1.  Bounce bucket (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
>>   2. Re: you are in the minority of ohv (Bill Burge)
>>   3. Re: documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County (Bill  
>> Burge)
>>   4. A way to defend against bears (Brick Robbins)
>>   5. Re: documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County (dsaufley)
>>   6. Re: The Ultimate Hiker Hosting Setup (Bill Burge)
>>   7. Cheap synthetic sleeping bag (Austin Williams)
>>   8. Re: Cheap synthetic sleeping bag (Steve McAllister)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:10:20 -0800
>> From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l]  Bounce bucket
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <02CBF99AD78E4BABB0F4976C3536E725 at SeanDeskTop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>> In the future I will use USPS Flat-Rate Priority boxes containing  
>>> only the
>>> things I can't find on the trail (hiking socks, maps and guides,
>> electronics
>>> chargers, etc.)... and only bounce it to every 4th town or so.
>>
>> Flat Rate boxes may cost more to mail then sending it regular  
>> priority
>> mail if you are only bouncing it a short distance (say a week or two
>> ahead). I used the largest Priority Mail Box (non-flat rate) and it  
>> was
>> cheaper to mail forward then the the smaller Large Sizse Flat Rate  
>> Box.
>>
>> -Miner
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Check my 2009 PCT Journal out at www.postholer.com/Miner
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:18:47 -0800
>> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] you are in the minority of ohv
>> To: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <8D98C052-CE10-470E-9EAB-AFE9BB07EAA6 at burge.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>>
>> Sorry to hear that, and I'm not surprised ('cause, apparently, I'm in
>> the minority).
>>
>> BUT, when we're out with the Jeep, we go slow around kids and dogs
>> (you never know when one you DON'T see is gonna pop out from
>> somewhere!), slow around horses (while many are very well behaved  
>> that
>> DO have a mind of there own and will sometimes do the unexpected when
>> surprised), watch out for bikers, and always keep an eye out for  
>> hikers.
>>
>> I know that part of it is that I have gone on trail:  (but not all at
>> the same time!) with kids, on horseback, on foot, on mountain bike,  
>> on
>> motorcycle, on ATV, and on snowshoe.
>>
>> Since I was raised in the desert, I know that if it's hot - stop and
>> make sure the "hiker" you see isn't somebody who broke down a ways
>> back.  Make sure everyone has enough water (I carry about 8 gallons  
>> in
>> my Jeep on a trail run, it's good for so many things).  No matter  
>> what
>> the mode of transportation someone is using, if they looks distressed
>> or even unhappy - stop and say "everything all right here?"
>>
>> I pulled people who were stuck (and given a little advice  
>> afterwords -
>> nothing in life is "free" ;-)  I've lent tools.  I've given rides to
>> town. And I've given out a bunch of water.
>>
>> BillB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Austin Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Other than destroying the land we all love to hike in, I can also
>>> say that
>>> I've never met an OHVer that was anything close to kind or friendly
>>> to me as
>>> a hiker - at least not out on the trail.  As if I'm the "gov'mt
>>> liber'l comy
>>> tryin'a take-way ther rites".
>>>
>>> Every other human - even the serious hunter-types - will wave back
>>> when I
>>> wave to them.  These OHVers are the kind of people I go to the
>>> backcountry
>>> to get away from.
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:24:57 -0800
>> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
>> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <48216CC2-3E53-435E-A2E1-08E2A14D5AC9 at burge.com>
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>>
>> Originally, I didn't feel grouped.  I was just trying to make that
>> point.  OK, that kinda went into the weeds!  ;-)
>>
>> We are really looking forward to another year of ferrying hikers.  It
>> was crazy loads of fun.
>>
>> Funny, none of those wanting a ride to REI seemed to care they were
>> doing it an Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing (btw - I have no tattoos)
>> Alcohol Inspiring Smog Belching Jeep.  :-D   (Besides, the Subaru was
>> better at it and a smoother ride!  ;-)
>>
>> BillB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:55 PM, dsaufley wrote:
>>
>>> For clarity, my intent is those OHVers who violate the rules and
>>> postings
>>> and destroy the land (and the posted signage, too). Those are the
>>> OHV people
>>> I can't understand. The good folks like you who ride responsibly and
>>> don't
>>> have "let's tear it up!" as their mantra and objective aren't really
>>> an
>>> issue. My apologies if you felt grouped in with those who behavior  
>>> and
>>> attitude I find personally abhorrent. It was not my intent to paint
>>> you with
>>> the same brush.  I will say however, on a different level I never  
>>> have
>>> understood the need or experience much fun in using a motor to  
>>> derive
>>> pleasure from the out-of-doors. My word to describe those folks is
>>> "motorheads." My brother is a motorhead, and to some extent, so is
>>> my son.
>>> I'm not hard-wired as a motorhead. Motors have always been noisy,
>>> smelly,
>>> nuisances to me that disturb my serenity and enjoyment of the  
>>> subtler
>>> sensory pleasures in nature.
>>>
>>> But that's why they have chocolate and vanilla.  You're still the
>>> best darn
>>> hiker wrangler in the SCV no matter what :o)
>>>
>>> L-Rod
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Bill Burge
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:05 PM
>>> To: PCT list
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern  
>>> County
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, when we say "these OHV people", what really mean is the type of
>>> OHV person that would do this sort of thing and NOT OHV people in
>>> general - right?
>>>
>>> I mean, "hikers cut trails and ruin land", no SOME hikers don't  
>>> stick
>>> to the trail and DO damage land.  Some hikers litter.
>>>
>>> Not all of either group.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have an OHV use vehicle.  No, I don't drive on hiking trails.
>>> Yes, I invest personal time doing road and trail work.  When I take
>>> the Jeep out, we pick up trash when we see it, no matter who left it
>>> there.
>>>
>>> BillB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There is something fundamentally different about these OHV people.
>>>>> Somehow
>>>>> they don't see the destruction, or don't care. I just don't get  
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> They like it.
>>>>
>>>> "F*ck the tree huggers. The wild lands are mine to destroy as I
>>>> please. Climate change is a liberal myth. Drill, Baby Drill!"
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:34:58 -0800
>> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] A way to defend against bears
>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<ca2c2381001291634q281c3b20t19646e8c9cbafbb3 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> A little lighter in tone than the ohv video
>>
>> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/27/funny-pictures-video-bear-vs-kitteh/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:42:27 -0800
>> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
>> To: "'Bill Burge'" <bill at burge.com>,	"'PCT list'"
>> 	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <001b01caa145$1970d200$4c527600$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> You have your feet firmly planted in two worlds!  BTW, they also  
>> used to
>> drive the Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing Alcohol Inspiring Smog  
>> Belching
>> Suburban and Ford F350 king-cab pickup we used to lend them!  Looking
>> forward to another great season. Hey, Helen's mom goes to my  
>> dentist and
>> dear friend, Clare Macaulay.
>>
>> L-Rod
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net 
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Bill Burge
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:25 PM
>> To: PCT list
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County
>>
>>
>> Originally, I didn't feel grouped.  I was just trying to make that
>> point.  OK, that kinda went into the weeds!  ;-)
>>
>> We are really looking forward to another year of ferrying hikers.  It
>> was crazy loads of fun.
>>
>> Funny, none of those wanting a ride to REI seemed to care they were
>> doing it an Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing (btw - I have no tattoos)
>> Alcohol Inspiring Smog Belching Jeep.  :-D   (Besides, the Subaru was
>> better at it and a smoother ride!  ;-)
>>
>> BillB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:55 PM, dsaufley wrote:
>>
>>> For clarity, my intent is those OHVers who violate the rules and
>>> postings
>>> and destroy the land (and the posted signage, too). Those are the
>>> OHV people
>>> I can't understand. The good folks like you who ride responsibly and
>>> don't
>>> have "let's tear it up!" as their mantra and objective aren't really
>>> an
>>> issue. My apologies if you felt grouped in with those who behavior  
>>> and
>>> attitude I find personally abhorrent. It was not my intent to paint
>>> you with
>>> the same brush.  I will say however, on a different level I never  
>>> have
>>> understood the need or experience much fun in using a motor to  
>>> derive
>>> pleasure from the out-of-doors. My word to describe those folks is
>>> "motorheads." My brother is a motorhead, and to some extent, so is
>>> my son.
>>> I'm not hard-wired as a motorhead. Motors have always been noisy,
>>> smelly,
>>> nuisances to me that disturb my serenity and enjoyment of the  
>>> subtler
>>> sensory pleasures in nature.
>>>
>>> But that's why they have chocolate and vanilla.  You're still the
>>> best darn
>>> hiker wrangler in the SCV no matter what :o)
>>>
>>> L-Rod
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Bill Burge
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:05 PM
>>> To: PCT list
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern  
>>> County
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, when we say "these OHV people", what really mean is the type of
>>> OHV person that would do this sort of thing and NOT OHV people in
>>> general - right?
>>>
>>> I mean, "hikers cut trails and ruin land", no SOME hikers don't  
>>> stick
>>> to the trail and DO damage land.  Some hikers litter.
>>>
>>> Not all of either group.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have an OHV use vehicle.  No, I don't drive on hiking trails.
>>> Yes, I invest personal time doing road and trail work.  When I take
>>> the Jeep out, we pick up trash when we see it, no matter who left it
>>> there.
>>>
>>> BillB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There is something fundamentally different about these OHV people.
>>>>> Somehow
>>>>> they don't see the destruction, or don't care. I just don't get  
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> They like it.
>>>>
>>>> "F*ck the tree huggers. The wild lands are mine to destroy as I
>>>> please. Climate change is a liberal myth. Drill, Baby Drill!"
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:43:14 -0800
>> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Ultimate Hiker Hosting Setup
>> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <62D90FEA-5ADE-4178-96E3-CB82C212A02F at burge.com>
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>>
>> It IS beautiful!  I hear what you are saying about competing with
>> existing angels.
>>
>> My GF and I were day hiking a portion of the trail through Vasquez
>> Rocks park and saw this house that was right next to the trail and
>> thought, this would be awesome to live right on the trail and host
>> hikers.
>>
>> Then we realized that no one would stay with US unless Donna/
>> HikerHeaven was FULL.  Most of the time what we'd hear is "can you
>> tell me how much further it is to Hiker Heaven?"
>>
>> You just can't compete with some things and I wouldn't even want to.
>> I've seen Hiker Heaven in full swing and it's awesome.  It's even  
>> more
>> impressive when you see it perpendicular to the hiker view.
>>
>> The hiker comes in and is there for "two nearo's and a zero" and they
>> get one view.  But we got to see it over the course of a few weeks  
>> (we
>> live about 15 mins away) and it's very different and even MORE
>> impressive.  Think of it as looking onto a track and seeing someone  
>> do
>> a 100 meter sprint - flat out diving across the finish.  Then imagine
>> what it would be like to stop and see that the same runner had done
>> that same diving finish, flat out sprint, 10 times in a row already
>> and was going on to do 10 more.  Then imagine how you'd feel.  We  
>> need
>> to invent a Gold Medal for Donna!  I can't even dream of how she does
>> it.
>>
>> BillB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You'd end up competing with Firefly for hiker trash. It's really
>>> close to her house. You'd compete with Drakesbad, too. I don't think
>>> anybody could compete with either of those two!
>>>
>>> Last summer while hiking the PCT out of Ashland near Dead Indian Rd.
>>> there was a really nice property for sale. They even put the listing
>>> information out on the trail.
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:54 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ye2k86u
>>>
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>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:45:37 -0800
>> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Cheap synthetic sleeping bag
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<bdb32ad91001291645j3359937atd00f0c1a05af16c6 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think it was last week that someone was talking about synthetic  
>> bags.  I
>> found a 15 degree (F) synthetic sleeping bag that weighs under 3  
>> lbs and
>> costs under $80.  It's the cheapest I've ever seen:
>>
>>
> <http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=plyohi-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=B000RUJK0Y&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr 
> >Here's
>> the
>>
> link<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RUJK0Y?ie=UTF8&tag=plyohi-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000RUJK0Y 
> >
>>
>> I think Campmor also carries it, just slightly more expensive.   
>> Hard to beat
>> that without switching to down.
>>
>> -- 
>> Austin Williams
>> PlanYourHike.com
>>
>> "The mountains are calling and I must go."   -John Muir
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:57:36 -0500
>> From: Steve McAllister <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cheap synthetic sleeping bag
>> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<e38b9fd81001291657k3f456b4cof87354c7e95c7978 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I wouldn't trust the temp. rating and I'll bet it weighs more than  
>> they
>> claim.
>>
>> stevie
>>
>> ############
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Austin Williams
>> <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think it was last week that someone was talking about synthetic  
>>> bags. ?I
>>> found a 15 degree (F) synthetic sleeping bag that weighs under 3  
>>> lbs and
>>> costs under $80. ?It's the cheapest I've ever seen:
>>>
>>>
>>
> <http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=plyohi-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=B000RUJK0Y&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr 
> >Here's
>>> the
>>
> link<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RUJK0Y?ie=UTF8&tag=plyohi-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000RUJK0Y 
> >
>>>
>>> I think Campmor also carries it, just slightly more expensive. ? 
>>> Hard to
>> beat
>>> that without switching to down.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Austin Williams
>>> PlanYourHike.com
>>>
>>> "The mountains are calling and I must go." ? -John Muir
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>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> If you look good and dress well, you don't need a purpose in life.
>>                -- Robert Pante, fashion consultant
>>
>>
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