[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Buying Freeze Dried Food in Bulk
Bruce Randall
bruce.a.randall at gmail.com
Wed Feb 10 21:35:08 CST 2010
Thanks Austin! I was just starting to look into this. Problem is I am
Celiac.
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> 1. PLB vs SPOT (Paul Magnanti)
> 2. Re: trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire Closure
> (Paul Bodnar)
> 3. Re: trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire Closure
> (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
> 4. Re: Geekdom: Links for trail (Jim Keener ( J J ))
> 5. Re: GPS vs PLB (Austin Williams)
> 6. Re: PLB vs SPOT (Austin Williams)
> 7. Into the Wild (Paul Magnanti)
> 8. olden days (canoeman at qnet.com)
> 9. Re: Montrail shoes (Len Glassner)
> 10. Buying Freeze Dried Food in Bulk (Austin Williams)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:52:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PLB vs SPOT
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> An evenhanded review of these devices:
>
>
> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=25569
>
> And more info than you ever wanted to know:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=plb+vs+spot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>
> As others mentioned, they are doing a recall the Gen 2 SPOTS (that fixed
> the issues in Gen1)
>
> A SPOT device is more for family and friends than for actual safety. It is
> what I call a "Dumbo Feather"..
> something that is not really needed (in this case, to be safe), but does
> provide the perception of safety.
> It is not needed and may even contribute to people getting into unsafe
> situations because
> of this perceived safety.
>
> It if is what you need to make your family/friends feel safe, then it is
> not a bad thing.
>
> Just makesure you have the skills, knowledge and experience to make use of
> a sub-10lb kit, know how to use
> your tarp, when to not go further, etc in addition to carrying this
> automagical devices. (cf. the young woman in
> the Sierra last year). :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:58:20 -0500
> From: Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep
> Fire
> Closure
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> When the alternative route is finalized I will post a free elevation
> profile (as a printable pdf) of the alternative route at HikeThru.com. I
> will also try to include other relevant information, nearby campgrounds,
> road crossings, water etc. along the alternative route.
>
>
>
> Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> >We all have to
> > be cognizant and patient that no alternatives can be declared until the
> > storm season is over, the trails have been reconned, and any necessary
> > repairs made to allow safe passage.
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:05:49 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail closure status -- San Bernardino Sheep Fire
> Closure
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Feb 10, 2010, at 2:42 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> > OK, help me understand. Will it be evident when I get here on the
> > PCT that
> > the trail is closed and what I'm supposed to do?
> >
> > Bag Lady
>
> In my personal experience the answer is that usually it will be
> evident the trail is closed and there will be precious little telling
> you what to do.
>
> What I suggest you do is to write notes in your data book or whatever
> you are using. Mark it in there in the row where that location is
> listed in the data book. Keep an eye on this list for when someone
> (probably L-Rod) says what the official suggested detour is, and then
> write the complete instructions in your data book next to your note.
>
> I did this with all important details such as road closures, fire
> closures, alternate routes I didn't want to miss and also with the
> water report. I wrote it all in my data book in pencil and that way I
> never lost the instructions.
>
> I was able to go along my merry way without having to remember what
> was closed where, and as information became available (the grapevine
> news travels fast on the trail) I was able to erase and add new
> instructions.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:15:05 -0800
> From: "Jim Keener ( J J )" <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Geekdom: Links for trail
> To: halfmile at pctmap.net
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <9CEDBC87-548B-4C07-B35E-DD9A3D0E8362 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
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> As usual, Mr. Mile, you go above and beyond. My humble - and I'm the
> humblest man I know - gratitude, sir.
>
> What about games? ; = )
>
> Walk well,
> Jim Keener ( J J )
> _________________
>
> jj at ridgetrailhiker.com
>
> http://trailjournals.com/jj2010/
> http://ridgetrailhiker.com
> http://olderhealthier.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Halfmile wrote:
>
> > JJ,
> > I would start with my free PCT maps from www.pctmap.net. I use Felaur
> > pdf reader [$2.99] to view the maps on my iPhone. With this app you
> > can download and save all my .pdf's directly into your iphone from
> > http://www.pctmap.net/iphone/ (best to download with a WiFi
> > connection). I always carry paper maps on the trial, but this gives
> > access to maps for sections of the trail you many not be carrying or
> > my maps as a backup if you are using different PCT maps for your hike.
> > You can also purchase the Wilderness Press databook as a pdf from
> > ecobrain.com and have it in your iPhone.
> > http://www.ecobrain.com/product_info.php?it=1&products_id=2093
> >
> > Check out the link on pctmap.net to a Google Doc called the PCT Phone
> > Book. It has useful phone numbers and other information about various
> > PCT related locations. I will be adding more numbers in the next few
> > weeks. If anyone notices errors, missing numbers, etc. please let me
> > know. You can also view the doc here:
> >
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pS0jvh_AtcfvkdaOkMASzIg&output=html
> >
> > My favorite GPS app is Basic GPS [99 cents] used with UTM grids on
> > paper maps. It supports NAD27 maps datums with a $2.99 add-on. Most of
> > the other iPhone GPS apps are battery-draining eye candy not suitable
> > for long trails without cell reception.
> >
> > Google Earth [free] can be fun and occasionally useful.
> >
> > Google Latitude [free] looks to have potential for keeping track of
> > your hiker friends.
> >
> > Yelp app [free] good for finding reviews of nearby restaurants in larger
> towns.
> >
> > USPS Mobile app [free] locate the post office, look up zip codes, and
> > track your priority mail packages.
> >
> > UPS Mobile app [free] track your UPS packages.
> >
> > Facebook app [free] if you are into that sort of thing.
> >
> > Accuweather app [free] weather forecasts, and pretty good weather radar.
> >
> > i.wund.com site, weather forecasts, pretty good weather radar, with
> > access to "personal weather stations" so you are more likely to find
> > current weather conditions near the PCT.
> >
> > www.forecastadvisor.com rates the accuracy of various weather forecasts.
> >
> > Maybe some of the news apps from NYTimes, LATimes, USA Today, NPR, etc.
> >
> > I am sure the iPhone has some photo apps to consider, but I have not
> > used many of these yet.
> >
> > -Halfmile
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Jim Keener ( J J )
> > <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> I search for links to put on the iPhone for on-trail use: ice cream
> vendors in Big Bear - that kind of thing. And even the more mundane.
> >>
> >> Walk well,
> >> Jim Keener ( J J )
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:28:00 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS vs PLB
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> .. and I've done some playing around with Half Mile's waypoint files.
>
> I've converted them to about two dozen different formats so you can load
> them into just about any GPS device, mapping software, etc.
>
> http://www.planyourhike.com/maps/gps.html
>
> Have fun!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:46:05 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PLB vs SPOT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I carry a SPOT for my family, but I think it *is* a safety device. Of
> course it won't stop you from making stupid decisions (no safety device
> will). But any device that is able to dispatch S&R to your location (with a
> high probability of success) in the event that you become lost and/or
> seriously injured is a safety device IMO.
>
> If Chris Mccandless had a SPOT there'd be no "Into the Wild."
>
> Pretty much anyone who had gotten lost and/or badly injured in the
> wilderness and eventually died would have considered the SPOT a safety
> device... and would probably have wished they had one. Of course, we could
> say the same thing about a satellite phone.
>
> That being said - I don't think I'd carry a SPOT if my family didn't
> worry... at least not on the PCT. Hiking the PCT is about as dangerous as
> walking in Suburbia (IMO).... In fact, suburbia might be more dangerous
> with
> all the moving vehicles.
>
> -Austin
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > An evenhanded review of these devices:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=25569
> >
> > And more info than you ever wanted to know:
> >
> >
> http://www.google.com/search?q=plb+vs+spot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
> >
> > As others mentioned, they are doing a recall the Gen 2 SPOTS (that fixed
> > the issues in Gen1)
> >
> > A SPOT device is more for family and friends than for actual safety. It
> is
> > what I call a "Dumbo Feather"..
> > something that is not really needed (in this case, to be safe), but does
> > provide the perception of safety.
> > It is not needed and may even contribute to people getting into unsafe
> > situations because
> > of this perceived safety.
> >
> > It if is what you need to make your family/friends feel safe, then it is
> > not a bad thing.
> >
> > Just makesure you have the skills, knowledge and experience to make use
> of
> > a sub-10lb kit, know how to use
> > your tarp, when to not go further, etc in addition to carrying this
> > automagical devices. (cf. the young woman in
> > the Sierra last year). :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust
> > caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> > --Thoreau
> > http://www.pmags.com
> > http://www.redbubble.com/people/pmags/
> > http://www.facebook.com/pmags
> >
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> Austin Williams
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>
> "The mountains are calling and I must go." -John Muir
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>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:52:48 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Into the Wild
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> >>If Chris Mccandless had a SPOT there'd be no "Into the Wild." If he knew
> how to read a map and use a compass, there'd be no "Into the Wild" either.
> :D
>
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust
> caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:15:46 -0800
> From: canoeman at qnet.com
> Subject: [pct-l] olden days
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Olden days, 2002, heh, I spit out my beer,,,,
> nice one
> :-)
>
>
>
> he said ;
>
> Back in the olden days (2002) we agreed to carry a PocketMail
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:26:28 -0800
> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Montrail shoes
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> A new year, new shoes. Note that the Hardrock is no more. A
> Montrail rep says the AT Plus might be of interest.
>
> http://montrail.com/Subcategory.aspx?top=1&cat=-1
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Has anyone used the Hardrock 09 or Mountain Masochist for a long hike?
> > ?I'm particularly wondering about durability and underfoot protection
> > from pointy things.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:29:05 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Buying Freeze Dried Food in Bulk
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hello,
>
> Anyone wanting to incorporate freeze dried food into their trail diet might
> want to consider buying it in bulk to save money.
>
> I did this two summers back and it worked well. There is a seller on ebay
> with the username "vertumnus75".* *She (I think it was a "she") has some
> kind of wholesale deal with Mountain House. On larger orders (like those a
> thruhiker makes) there is free shipping. Her rates are way cheaper than
> survivalacres.com on all bulk purchases.
>
> If any of her listings don't meet your needs, shoot her an email and talk
> to
> her about it. I did that and she set up a special (private) ebay auction
> for me with the amount and kinds of meals that I needed.
>
> Anyway, here's what I wanted to share with you:
>
> 98 pouches for $490 with free shipping (that's $5 per pouch):
>
>
> http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574887679&toolid=10001&campid=5336527861&customid=&icep_item=330403711874&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg
>
> In the brick-and-mortar stores, Mountain House meals can cost anywhere
> between $6 and $9 (at least here in Oregon).
>
> There are other sales on ebay (by this and other dealers). There are deals
> for smaller and larger quantities. But the one I listed above is the
> cheapest per-pouch available anywhere (according to my research). To get a
> better per-pouch deal than that you'll have to buy about $7,000 worth of
> freeze dried food... and that would just be ridiculous.
>
> I found deals at survivalacres.com and survival-warehouse.com that are
> less
> than $5 per pouch... but they don't have free shipping. The shipping
> charges end up making it more expensive than the ebay seller I went
> through... that's why I went with her.
>
> I ate freeze-dried meals three times per day on the trail. I wouldn't do
> that many again.... freeze dried for EVERY meal is too much. One freeze
> dried meal per day would be great. Maybe two on some days. But three per
> day is too much IMO. The texture and flavors didn't really get old (I had
> a
> *very* wide variety), but having to cook *every meal* was a pain in the
> butt.
>
> Anyway, I did a *ton* of research before I bought from the seller I
> mentioned above, and I just wanted to share the fruits of my labor. I hope
> it helps you save some money.
>
> --
> Austin Williams
> PlanYourHike.com
>
> "The mountains are calling and I must go." -John Muir
>
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