[pct-l] Talked to Tangent

Sun Aug 22 09:42:31 CDT 2010

I am Barry Silver planning a 500 miler on horseback for 2011. Met Tangent, a thru
hiker at Crater Lake last week. He was in great shape feeling good.

silverbarry at hotmail.com 
561-767-2828    new number

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> 1. Congratulations ! ! ! (Edward Anderson)
> 2. Trail work Sunday - snoqualmie pass (tokencivilian at yahoo.com)
> 3. Fw: Weather considerations anytime/ a must read (Edward Anderson)
> 4. Re: PCT Completion (CHUCK CHELIN)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:49:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Congratulations ! ! !
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I want to congratulate two people who, with patience and dedication over several 
> years, have accomplished hiking ALL of the Pacific Crest Trail. 
> 
> ????????????????????? Steel-Eye? and? Piper (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 
> I have enjoyed reading the pct-l posts from both people.
> 
> MendoRider/Ed Anderson
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 04:45:43 +0000
> From: tokencivilian at yahoo.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail work Sunday - snoqualmie pass
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> So the date has been set, its Sunday. There is still time to come on out. Let me know via e mail by saturday afternoon if you want to join us so I can be sure to pick up enough tools and hard hats from the PCTA cache. I will e mail you driving directions to the trail head. Time is about 1:15 - 1:30 from Seattle.
> 
> We will meet at 8:45am for paperwork and start the safety briefing at 9:00. The hike in is about 20 minutes. We will call it good and head out no later than 3:00.
> 
> The part of the PCT we will work on has substantial brush to be cut, which will be the task for the day. Thru hiker sightings are a high probability as we had several through the work area last week.
> 
> Hope you can make it out. Gatorade and cookies will await our return to the car.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:58:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fw: Weather considerations anytime/ a must read
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hello to all PCT hikers,
> 
> This, from Ned,?is a "must read" for all PCT hikers.? Going UL is'nt necessarily 
> smart.? Adding a few pounds can make your PCT hike (or ride) both more 
> comfortable and safer.? I even bring along a solar shower - for showers and also 
> to provide the convenience of?running water with a faucet at campside. Mine, 
> which I have used for nearly 40 years, weighs just 12 ounces.? Piper (Diane) 
> mentioned one that only weighs a little over 4 ounces. I plan to check that one 
> out before my next ride. Both hold about 2 1/2 gallons of water.
> 
> MendoRider/Ed A.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: "ned at mountaineducation.org" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 10:51:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather considerations anytime
> 
> Bad weather can hit any month of the year pretty much anywhere along the 
> PCT. Plan for the worst, hope for the best, carry what it will take to get 
> you through should things get bad, and know how to deal with it all so you 
> make sound decisions for a safe trip.
> 
> I realize that we all strive for the lightest packs on our journeys and that 
> is good, but don't go without the training (experience), knowledge 
> (realistic understanding of the reality of the trail), and requisite gear to 
> get you through come what may. I know we romanticize the next hike, 
> believing that it will be beautiful, warm (not too hot), no bugs or bears, 
> and, hopefully, no nasty lightning storms, and therefore expect to 
> experience the same, but the reality just isn't that way in many cases.
> 
> Who would have known that this June would bring another snow storm to the 
> southern sierra and night time temps still in the teens? Without having gone 
> in there ahead of time to check it out, who would have expected that the 
> snow level in May was at 9000 feet and not rising because of lingering cold 
> temps and two more snow storms?
> 
> This summer has played out much the same unpredictable way. We have had 
> frequent rain and lightning storms. The snow level is still lower than we 
> have grown accustomed to over the past twenty years for this time of year 
> (hikers are still saying that they are wallowing through snow en route to 
> Muir Pass). Creek crossings are still dangerous for the month of August. 
> There is still lots of melting snow up in Desolation as is indicated by the 
> high drainage creek visible at Horsetail Falls above Twin Bridges off 
> highway 50. This is August?
> 
> So, plan to experience all the high sierra can throw at you, learn how to 
> deal with it before you get caught by surprise on-trail, and bring suitable 
> gear and clothing to get you through comfortably, warm, and dry. Yes, your 
> pack will be heavier, but you can rest assured (peace of mind) that you'll 
> be ready.
> 
> Some folks think it a challenge to go as light as possible, but what others 
> don't know is just how much comfort or safety they were willing to sacrifice 
> to achieve that pack weight. Yes, a light pack is more comfortable and can 
> make for an easier trip, but what if something happens that you are not 
> prepared for? You can't assume that since it is summer you will not have to 
> deal with getting wet or cold, for example, so bring rain and cold weather 
> clothing, just in case (unless, of course, you don't mind getting wet and 
> cold because you believe it will not be for an extended period of time). 
> Sure some early explorers travelled with only a blanket and matches (or 
> something like that), but they may have dealt well with cold and hunger, 
> knowing what to do about it out in the wilderness without having to carry 
> extra gear or food, but not everyone today can do that or is willing to.
> 
> Know the conditions that occur where and when you want to travel and plan 
> for them by taking what is necessary, minimizing weight as much as you can. 
> Going without isn't what we would call "common sense."
> 
> 
> 
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> To: "'Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com'" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>; 
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much of (calif) section A-F is do'able in January
> 
> 
> > Piper is spot on, as are the others.? Weather in winter and spring in So 
> > Cal
> > is a wild ride.? My only add to the discussion is that the WIND, which can
> > be brutal, is another consideration, along with the possibilities of snow 
> > or
> > storms interspersed with fabulously beautiful weather.? You can plan on
> > experiencing just about every range of weather, you just can't plan on 
> > when
> > you'll get what.
> >
> > L-Rod
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:54 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much of (calif) section A-F is do'able in January
> >
> >
> > On Aug 3, 2010, at 3:48 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm hoping to be a thru in 2011...? but in dropping said hint at work,
> >> getting that much time off in one piece might not be possible. So
> >> instead of
> >> a "true thru" (Apr->Oct, Mex->Can), my plan B would be a "thru in a
> >> year",
> >> ie, do pieces or all of A-F in January and March, and then pick up
> >> in early
> >> June where I left off. So, my question is: when does winter come to
> >> the
> >> south? When (nominally) does Baden-Powell become snow covered; or
> >> asked
> >> differently: what parts are still doable (meaning trail walking, not
> >> snowshoe'ing) in January, and again, in March?
> >> thanks - TheDuck
> >
> > You might consider a plan C which is to do as much as you can in the
> > time you have and not worry about whether it's the whole trail.
> >
> > In my opinion as a life-long So Cal resident, at the elevations
> > you'll be at, you won't be able to do much of So Cal in January or
> > March. You could probably do Section A and the beginning of Section B
> > in March. You may also be able to do some of Section E, but probably
> > not the part in the Tehachapi mountains. It may be possible to do the
> > same pieces in January if it's a warm, dry January. But the rest of
> > So Cal will have snow and some sections are very dangerous (such as
> > Baden-Powell and San Jacinto). People die there or get rescued with
> > serious injuries all the time.
> >
> > So your question: when does winter come to the south? Whenever it
> > wants to, but generally between November and April. So Cal isn't all
> > sunshine and bikinis by any means. You'd be surprised at the number
> > of people who drop out of their hikes in So Cal because the weather
> > is just too extreme.
> >
> >
> > Books I've written:
> > ~ Piper's Flight
> > ~ Adventure and Magic
> > ~ Santa Barbara Hikes
> > http://stores.lulu.com/dianesoini
> >
> > We're not here for a long time, but we are here for a good time
> >
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> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:11:35 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Completion
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> Good morning, all,
> 
> Thank you one and all for your gracious comments congratulating me ? and
> Piper ? upon our recent completions of the PCT. As gratifying as completion
> certainly was I apparently made a strategic error in making the
> announcement. Through the many long years I?ve contributed, pontificated,
> harangued, and preached in PCT-L discussions, readers may have been lead to
> believe that I?m an experienced thru-hiker, a repeat thru-hiker, or even a
> triple-crowner. With my recent *mea maxima culpa* that the trip required 45
> years I must have totally blown my cover. Now the truth is out: It took me
> 45 years to accomplish what reasonable thru-hikers achieve in 4.5 months.
> Grim?. Mine is a rate of less than 60 miles per year; 856 feet per day. Not
> only did I have time to ?smell the flowers?, I had sufficient time to
> observe how fast the grass was growing.
> 
> 
> 
> Compared to me, Piper?s average speed was simply astounding. Considering
> that I began the hike probably before Piper was born, and she finished ?
> slightly ? before me she?s a real piker in the slow-walk world. Regardless,
> congratulations to Piper ? AKA ?Piper?s Mom?s Daughter? ? on her eminently
> faster progress.
> 
> 
> 
> Steel-Eye
> 
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:22 PM, james green <jagwrightwoodpct at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Congratulations! That must be a phenomenal feeling of accomplishment! One I
> > hope to have one day.
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>wrote:
> >
> >> Good morning, all,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am very pleased to announce that I completed my section hike of the
> >> entire
> >> PCT at approximately 07:30A, 10 August 2010, when I reached the
> >> California/Oregon border northbound. This completed two portions of the
> >> trail that had eluded me: the two fire closures from the ?08 season ? one
> >> in
> >> the vicinity of Quincy and Chester, and the other between Etna Summit and
> >> the Oregon border.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The kindness of Piper?s Mom significantly facilitated my hike of the
> >> Quincy/Chester section, both at the beginning and the end.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> With me at the Cal/Or finish line was So-Jo (Sojourner) with whom I had
> >> hiked since Etna Summit, and who?s thoughtful and considerate nature I
> >> came
> >> to greatly appreciate. After the obligatory Yee-Haahs were spouted and
> >> the
> >> photos were snapped I backtracked to Seiad Valley to catch the bus, while
> >> So-Jo continued her NoBo journey.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This adventure began in 1965 when, during a 20-mile hike of a section of
> >> the
> >> old Oregon Skyline Trail (OST) north of Crater Lake, I decided to ?
> >> eventually -- hike its entire length. Subsequently, the OST was
> >> officially
> >> absorbed into the PCT so I expanded the scope of my aspirations
> >> accordingly.
> >> I have now hiked every mile of the official PCT at least once. A few
> >> sections I?ve hiked only once; some major sections I?ve hiked 2-3 times;
> >> some shorter sections nearer to home I?ve hiked literally hundreds of
> >> times.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The scenery of the PCT is significant, but available: I can view my
> >> photos,
> >> I can watch the ?Class-of? DVDs, I can watch travelogues, and I can even
> >> revisit features or sections if I wish. What is ephemeral and can?t ever
> >> be
> >> recaptured is the camaraderie of the fellow hikers that I encountered; the
> >> amazing support of Trail Angels; and the help of considerate citizens whom
> >> I
> >> didn?t know ? and will likely never meet again. That I can't relive or
> >> revisit. I can?t begin to repay them for the benefits I?ve received -- I
> >> can only pass on the goodwill to hikers who follow after.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ?Life is just a collection of memories, and memories are like starlight ?
> >> they go on forever.?
> >>
> >> Lyrics by John Denver
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steel-Eye
> >>
> >> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >>
> >> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >>
> >> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >>
> >>
> >>
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