[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 28, Issue 67
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Today's Topics:
1. Donations to Mary Barcik's Water Caches- Bill's Death (Monty Tam)
2. Boots versus Shoes (BONITA HELTON)
3. PCT NB section hike ending at Kennedy Meadows (Bill Thoms)
4. Re: why close the burn areas? (Junaid Dawud)
5. Re: Asolo boots (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
6. Re: Sierra resupply strategy
(Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
7. Trail Humor - Rating Trailtown Women (hiker97 at aol.com)
8. Re: why close the burn areas?
(Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:17:54 -0700
From: "Monty Tam" <montypct at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Donations to Mary Barcik's Water Caches- Bill's Death
To: "Jester Shane O'Donnel" <jesterat2000 at comcast.net>,
<pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Scott Herriott" <yetifan at yahoo.com>,
"Jeannie Zortman" <jeanmzortman at aol.com>, "Joe Samuri Valesco"
<joe at zpacks.com>
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Hi
I just slipped my donation to Mary Barcik's two water caches in an
envelope. (PCT mile 616 and 631) It felt very strange to only make the address
out to Mary Barcik instead of "Mary and Bill". I just recently got the word
from PCT hiker friends Max and Lila that Bill had passed away from cancer.
When I called Mary she was in good spirits. She says she will definitely
be maintaining her two water caches again this year and treasures her
moments with the few hikers she meets as she is maintaining these remote caches.
Mary's two caches break a 40 mile waterless stretch of the hot desert PCT
into 15 mile segments. I saw one of her caches save a life in 2008. She
is on a limited fixed income driving about 60 miles, often on dirt, each day
she services both, which is every other day sometimes in the peak season.
She is worried about how the price of gas will affect her again this year.
Now in her 70's she still rides the dirt bike she use to use to service
the first cashes years ago, but the amount of water she carries now needs a
truck. If you see her on the trail, please help her unload and clean the
cache areas.
If you would like to send her a message and/or gas money, her address is
below:
Mary Barcik
5400 S Kelso Valley Rd.
Weldon, CA 93283
Thank You
Warner Springs Monty
PS Please pass this on to her hiker friends from the past. I know she is
particularly fond of a veteran hiker named Scrawny Chicken, who was the
first hiker she supplied water for years ago, but I don't have his contact
info.
The Fun Goes Up when the Weight Goes Down
-Warner Springs Monty Tam
Lightweight Backpacking
www.trailjournals.com search Monty
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:41:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: BONITA HELTON <mothergoose22 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Boots versus Shoes
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I too will be in the minority on this, i wear mid height lite weight boots
and my feet love them, I tried to wear New Balance in Florida one year and
I never had as many blisters as I did that year until I switched back to
boots. The conclusion is you must do what "your feet like" not everyone
can wear what everyone else does. The North Face Hedgehogs are waterproof
for up to 700 miles then start to leak a little. This is the boot I
prefer. Mother Goose
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=6300856
1 www.postholer.com/mothergoose
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:17:54 -0400
From: "Bill Thoms" <wthomsjr at comcast.net>
Subject: [pct-l] PCT NB section hike ending at Kennedy Meadows
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If I had three weeks for a section hike of, say, 350 to 400 miles, ideally
ending at Kennedy Meadows, and I am flying into LAX, what road junction
would I head to? Any public transportation ideas? Fire closures to avoid?
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:22:06 -0600
From: Junaid Dawud <jdawud at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] why close the burn areas?
To: "dsaufley at sprynet.com" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
Cc: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>, "<pct-l at backcountry.net>"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Quite true L-Rod
I remember in 2006, No Way Ray died after a fall. There were also
reports of an older gentleman that died in (I think) section A or B. I
myself had a few experiences that were pretty scary and could have
potentially ended badly. Hiking the PCT can certainly be dangerous.
Preparedness and experience can help mitigate the risk, but even the
most savvy and experienced hiker can fall to bad 'luck' or timing.
Safety first.
Junaid
On Apr 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> Technically, Jane & Flicka did not die on the trail, they were sobo
> thrus
> who died on Highway 138 while headed in for a resupply, hit by a
> driver that
> drifted off the road. I know of several deaths on trail: in 1999,
> Dr. John
> Lowder, fell off New Army Pass, headed off the PCT into Lone Pine.
> His legs
> were broken in the fall, but it was the shock that killed him. Had
> he not
> been hiking alone, or if he'd been on a more highly used pass, there
> may
> have been hope for him. In 2005 there was John Donovan, who got
> lost in the
> San Jacintos and died from hypothermia.
>
> It gets difficult to distinguish when we hear of a "PCT" hiker in
> trouble in
> the press. The vast majority of the time, that does NOT mean thru
> hikers.
> Instead, they may be day, weekenders, or section hikers, or merely
> using the
> PCT to get from one place to another.
>
> In 2006 an apparent section hiker (not a nobo thru) died of
> dehydration and
> heat exhaustion in the desert region south of Kennedy Meadows. His
> body was
> found with two empty litre bottles; it was mid-July. A few years
> ago, there
> was also another non-thru, a young lady out for a backpack, who was
> swept
> away in one of the PNW fords. There was some reason to believe that
> the fact
> she had not unbuckled her pack while fording was contributory to her
> drowning.
>
> These are all sad facts to remember.
>
> L-Rod
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-
> bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 9:17 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] why close the burn areas?
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:05 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> I can name off the top of my head two people who have died on the
>> trail, not from natural causes.
>
> Did they die from falling chamise, manzanita, pine or oak trees as
> they walked through a burn zone?
>
>
>
>
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> ~ Adventure and Magic
> ~ Santa Barbara Hikes
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:41:49 -0700
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Asolo boots
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Lots of people wear boots. I hiked with a guy who wore Asolo boots.
He made it to Canada. Lots of us like to recommend lightweight shoes
because we like to advocate lightweight backpacking.
Diane
On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:50 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> Ok so I have gone back and forth on this question in my head boots
> or no
> boots.
>
> Now let me tell you about me, 30 not an everyday hiker but like to
> hike
> maybe twice a week, will being carrying at the most 45lb that is
> when I am
> walking the desert portion.
>
> I wanted to try hiking shoes but I am a little afraid of the no anckle
> support so I bought some boots...but since I brought them from rei
> I can
> take them back at anytime, so did I make a bad shoe choice?
>
> Help
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~ Piper's Flight
~ Adventure and Magic
~ Santa Barbara Hikes
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:47:44 -0700
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra resupply strategy
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I don't think Jim was planning to carry the bear can all the way from
the Sauffleys. I think he wanted to use the Sauffleys as sort of a
base station to forward his Sierra gear. I would advocate against
that. Lone Pine is a better place to do that. It will cost a lot of
money to ship things twice. You don't need Sierra Stuff until around
Lone Pine. You'll have your first day above 10,000 feet about two
days before you get to the turnoff to go to Lone Pine and you won't
cross into bear can regulation country until after Lone Pine. If not
Lone Pine, then Kennedy Meadows is a better location to deal with
your Sierra gear. Lone Pine has the advantage of having a post office
right there so it's easy to mail out, but you can mail out from
Kennedy Meadows, too.
Diane
On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:50 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> Imposition? Only Donna can answer that; not anyone on this list.
>
> The bigger issue is the difference in the distance you will be
> carrying the bear canister. By sending the canister to Sauffley's,
> you are (unnecessarily) carrying both the weight and the bulk of it
> for 243 miles to Kennedy Meadows.
>
> Unless the regulations change, you COULD save an additional 42
> miles of carry by exiting at Trail Pass down to Horseshoe Meadows
> (there are bear boxes at the campground) and hitching into Lone
> Pine for re-supply and a zero day. GREAT TRAIL TOWN - best along
> the Sierra, IMO. Pick up your canister here instead of at Kennedy
> Meadows and continue north to Muir Trail Ranch or Vermillion
> Valley. This also lets you skip the Kearsarge Pass detour to Onion
> Valley/Independence (a so-so little desert town).
>
> It's your hike and your body carrying the pack.
>
> Wandering Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Boatwright
> To: Pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 9:04 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Sierra resupply strategy
>
>
> I have been trying to decide whether it would be better to send
> my bear
> canister and other Sierra gear to Kennedy Meadows or to the
> Saufleys. My
> thinking is that if I send everything to the Saufleys, it could
> all be
> combined and the number of boxes forwarded on to Kennedy Meadows
> would be
> reduced. Does this make sense or would it be an imposition on
> the Saufleys
> to send 3 or more boxes to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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~ Adventure and Magic
~ Santa Barbara Hikes
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:53:39 -0400
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Trail Humor - Rating Trailtown Women
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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One day a bunch of male PCT hikers were having some cold brews and hot
pizza at the local trailtown saloon. As happens in these situations, their
conversation turned to the many women in the saloon dancing and socializing
with the other bros.
Soon Trail Dust and her hiking partner, Song Bird, walk in and sit down
near the hikers. They order some salads and chips and dip. They soon are
into some sisterhood conversations.
The male hikers are now commenting on the women and who had the best
figures and prettiest smiles. They pick out the ones who they would like to
hike with on the trail.
Finally, they get around to rating the women. The conversation turns to
who has the best rear ends.
Grizzly says, "I have heard that 30% of women think their a-- is too fat."
YoYo responds, "Well, that may be true, but I have heard that 10% think
their a? is too skinny."
Finally, Trail Dust can take it no longer. She gets into her
anti-Neanderthal mode.
"Excuse me gentlemen. I could not help overhearing your conversations.
Let me say that you are probably right about the 30% and the 10%.
Congratulations, that is very insightful."
"But the remaining 60% say they do not care. They love him anyway and
they wouldn?t trade him in for the world."
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, cough, cough.
Switchback comes through again with a super funny zinger. Kickoff site
#22 will be a continual laugh fest. Burp! Pardon.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ??????????????.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:54:15 -0700
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] why close the burn areas?
To: Pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Still these people all died from the general conditions of the trail
itself, not from falling pine trees. If most of us can handle the log
over the Suiattle or the trail by Deep Creek, shouldn't we also be
given the benefit of the doubt to be able to walk through some burned
pine trees?
Diane
On Apr 12, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Junaid Dawud wrote:
> Quite true L-Rod
>
> I remember in 2006, No Way Ray died after a fall. There were also
> reports of an older gentleman that died in (I think) section A or
> B. I myself had a few experiences that were pretty scary and could
> have potentially ended badly. Hiking the PCT can certainly be
> dangerous. Preparedness and experience can help mitigate the risk,
> but even the most savvy and experienced hiker can fall to bad
> 'luck' or timing.
>
> Safety first.
>
> Junaid
>
> On Apr 12, 2010, at 1:01 PM, "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>> Technically, Jane & Flicka did not die on the trail, they were
>> sobo thrus
>> who died on Highway 138 while headed in for a resupply, hit by a
>> driver that
>> drifted off the road. I know of several deaths on trail: in 1999,
>> Dr. John
>> Lowder, fell off New Army Pass, headed off the PCT into Lone
>> Pine. His legs
>> were broken in the fall, but it was the shock that killed him. Had
>> he not
>> been hiking alone, or if he'd been on a more highly used pass,
>> there may
>> have been hope for him. In 2005 there was John Donovan, who got
>> lost in the
>> San Jacintos and died from hypothermia.
>>
>> It gets difficult to distinguish when we hear of a "PCT" hiker in
>> trouble in
>> the press. The vast majority of the time, that does NOT mean thru
>> hikers.
>> Instead, they may be day, weekenders, or section hikers, or merely
>> using the
>> PCT to get from one place to another.
>>
>> In 2006 an apparent section hiker (not a nobo thru) died of
>> dehydration and
>> heat exhaustion in the desert region south of Kennedy Meadows. His
>> body was
>> found with two empty litre bottles; it was mid-July. A few years
>> ago, there
>> was also another non-thru, a young lady out for a backpack, who
>> was swept
>> away in one of the PNW fords. There was some reason to believe
>> that the fact
>> she had not unbuckled her pack while fording was contributory to her
>> drowning.
>>
>> These are all sad facts to remember.
>>
>> L-Rod
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-
>> bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
>> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 9:17 PM
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] why close the burn areas?
>>
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:05 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>>> I can name off the top of my head two people who have died on the
>>> trail, not from natural causes.
>>
>> Did they die from falling chamise, manzanita, pine or oak trees as
>> they walked through a burn zone?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Books I've written:
>> ~ Piper's Flight
>> ~ Adventure and Magic
>> ~ Santa Barbara Hikes
>> http://stores.lulu.com/dianesoini
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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~ Adventure and Magic
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