[pct-l] Snow weather conditions forrester kearsage
McKay, Spencer
sdmckay at uncc.edu
Mon Jun 29 02:13:39 CDT 2009
The conditions hiking south over kearsarge are excellent, with minimal
snow. Hiking south on the PCT over Forrester will be a little more
difficult. I crossed it yesterday going north and the side coming down
was still well covered in snow and will be a tough climb. The side
going down for you will be fairly easy with minimal snow on the
switchbacks and a good possibility of post-holing once you get off the
switchbacks. Just follow the cairns through the snow fields and you'll
be fine. I just got off the pct today at onion valley to resupply in
bishop so this information is recent.
Warpzilla
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> 3. Re: Shoes For Extra Wide Feet? (Magnet)
> 4. Powdered Milk (Jim & Brenda Johnson)
> 5. Wide foot blues (eckert)
> 6. Subject: Snow & Weather conditions Kearsarge Forester
> (Hiking Bob)
> 7. Re: Powdered Milk (moodyjj at comcast.net)
> 8. Re: Shoes For Extra Wide Feet? (Brian Lewis)
> 9. Tahoe and Truckee dining update (David Plotnikoff)
> 10. Re: Eyes in the dark (Nathan Miller)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:36:42 +1200
> From: Kea <keahiker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shoes For Extra Wide Feet?
> To: Erik The Black <erik at eriktheblack.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I find this to be a permanent problem. I have found that only New
> Balance
> have a wide enough fit - and any New Balance (2E or 4E) will do. I
> have
> just bought a pair of 875's and so far, they seem OK but it is early
> days.
>
> Kea
>
>
>
> 2009/6/29 Erik The Black <erik at eriktheblack.com>
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Does anyone have recommendations for extra-wide shoes?
>>
>> For a couple years I have used the Merrell Moab Ventilators in
>> regular
>> wide,
>> but they aren't really wide enough any more.
>>
>> The more I hike, the more my feet seem to grow.
>>
>> My foot is size 13 and it looks like I need a width with lots of
>> E's behind
>> it now...
>>
>> I'm cool with shoes that are more like tennis-shoes than trail
>> shoes. The
>> lighter, more comfortable and more breathable the better for me.
>>
>> I'm thinking to go with New Balance. I've never worn them before,
>> but they
>> look to have a wide selection in lots of different widths....
>>
>> What model do you NB wearer's recommend?
>>
>> My main concern is toe-box width, because my toes (and the part of
>> my foot
>> at the base of the toes) is really wide. I need a shoe with a more
>> square-shaped foot-box (as opposed to really triangular) because my
>> little
>> toes are kind of long too.
>>
>> I feel like if I keep hiking for a few more years, I'm gonna have
>> to start
>> ordering my shoes special-order from Nike like Shaq!! :P
>>
>> Thanks for any advice...
>>
>>
>> -Erik the Black
>> Aka: "Daffy Duck"
>> www.eriktheblack.com
>>
>>
>> PS. If there are other shoe companies aside from New Balance with
>> good,
>> extra-wide shoes I'd like to know about them too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:03:00 -0400
> From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shoes For Extra Wide Feet?
> To: Kea <keahiker at gmail.com>
> Cc: Erik The Black <erik at eriktheblack.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <AE6A9644-8217-4DCA-A127-CB1BB4BA3540 at midcoast.com>
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> New Balance's women's shoes are not as wide as the men's models, so
> women are advised to shift over to appropriate men's sizes if you need
> even wider shoes.
>
> Uncle Tom
>
> On Jun 28, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Kea wrote:
>
>> I find this to be a permanent problem. I have found that only New
>> Balance
>> have a wide enough fit - and any New Balance (2E or 4E) will do. I
>> have
>> just bought a pair of 875's and so far, they seem OK but it is early
>> days.
>>
>> Kea
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/6/29 Erik The Black <erik at eriktheblack.com>
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have recommendations for extra-wide shoes?
>>>
>>> For a couple years I have used the Merrell Moab Ventilators in
>>> regular
>>> wide,
>>> but they aren't really wide enough any more.
>>>
>>> The more I hike, the more my feet seem to grow.
>>>
>>> My foot is size 13 and it looks like I need a width with lots of
>>> E's behind
>>> it now...
>>>
>>> I'm cool with shoes that are more like tennis-shoes than trail
>>> shoes. The
>>> lighter, more comfortable and more breathable the better for me.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking to go with New Balance. I've never worn them before,
>>> but they
>>> look to have a wide selection in lots of different widths....
>>>
>>> What model do you NB wearer's recommend?
>>>
>>> My main concern is toe-box width, because my toes (and the part of
>>> my foot
>>> at the base of the toes) is really wide. I need a shoe with a more
>>> square-shaped foot-box (as opposed to really triangular) because my
>>> little
>>> toes are kind of long too.
>>>
>>> I feel like if I keep hiking for a few more years, I'm gonna have
>>> to start
>>> ordering my shoes special-order from Nike like Shaq!! :P
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice...
>>>
>>>
>>> -Erik the Black
>>> Aka: "Daffy Duck"
>>> www.eriktheblack.com
>>>
>>>
>>> PS. If there are other shoe companies aside from New Balance with
>>> good,
>>> extra-wide shoes I'd like to know about them too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:11:09 -0700
> From: Magnet <ki6asp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shoes For Extra Wide Feet?
> To: Kea <keahiker at gmail.com>
> Cc: Erik The Black <erik at eriktheblack.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Erik,
> I have used NB 908 shoes. They worked well for my wide feet,
> similar to
> yours. However, there is little cushioning in the sole. That will
> probably
> not be a problem if you are a lightweight. I was bulky, hence the
> old trail
> name, and I felt every pebble. I think NB have slightly heavier
> shoes that
> have more cushion. The 908 shoes did not last long. Be aware that
> lightweight also means quick to wear.
>
> I am now using Patagonia Release shoes. Much lighter than the Merrill
> Chameleons I used last year. They are a tighter fit, but so far, I
> have not
> developed blisters on my training hikes.
>
> BTW, I really needed pickle juice today during and after my training
> hike.
> My shirt and pack straps look like I am salt lick for a bovine
> creature.
> Glad there were no deer nearby. I would have had groupie deer
> following me
> out to the trailhead trying to lick my shirt. Salsa and chip hit
> the spot
> at home.
>
> Magnet
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Kea <keahiker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I find this to be a permanent problem. I have found that only New
>> Balance
>> have a wide enough fit - and any New Balance (2E or 4E) will do. I
>> have
>> just bought a pair of 875's and so far, they seem OK but it is
>> early days.
>>
>> Kea
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/6/29 Erik The Black <erik at eriktheblack.com>
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have recommendations for extra-wide shoes?
>>>
>>> For a couple years I have used the Merrell Moab Ventilators in
>>> regular
>>> wide,
>>> but they aren't really wide enough any more.
>>>
>>> The more I hike, the more my feet seem to grow.
>>>
>>> My foot is size 13 and it looks like I need a width with lots of E's
>> behind
>>> it now...
>>>
>>> I'm cool with shoes that are more like tennis-shoes than trail
>>> shoes. The
>>> lighter, more comfortable and more breathable the better for me.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking to go with New Balance. I've never worn them before,
>>> but
>> they
>>> look to have a wide selection in lots of different widths....
>>>
>>> What model do you NB wearer's recommend?
>>>
>>> My main concern is toe-box width, because my toes (and the part of
>>> my
>> foot
>>> at the base of the toes) is really wide. I need a shoe with a more
>>> square-shaped foot-box (as opposed to really triangular) because my
>> little
>>> toes are kind of long too.
>>>
>>> I feel like if I keep hiking for a few more years, I'm gonna have to
>> start
>>> ordering my shoes special-order from Nike like Shaq!! :P
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice...
>>>
>>>
>>> -Erik the Black
>>> Aka: "Daffy Duck"
>>> www.eriktheblack.com
>>>
>>>
>>> PS. If there are other shoe companies aside from New Balance with
>>> good,
>>> extra-wide shoes I'd like to know about them too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Tom KI6ASP
> Magnet
> pctaddict.blogspot.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:01:56 -0600
> From: Jim & Brenda Johnson <jdjohnson at accesscomm.ca>
> Subject: [pct-l] Powdered Milk
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4A480474.8060705 at accesscomm.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> So, I ordered some Nido powdered milk from amazon.com and had it
> sent to
> my son who's taking classes in L.A. He's on his way home today (we
> live
> in Canada's prairie provinces) for his summer break and brought them
> with him. He just phoned after arriving at his initial stop in Canada
> (Edmonton) before changing planes, and upon landing, Canada Customs
> confiscated the cans, because "they were made in Mexico". I had a
> feeling that might happen, even advising my son before his flight to
> surrender them to Customs if they gave him any flak about them.
>
> So, for us Canucks, any idea where I can get powdered milk? And real
> milk (whole), not that skim stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Jiffypop
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:11:05 -0700
> From: eckert <jape1 at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Wide foot blues
> To: erik at eriktheblack.com, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <4A480699.80301 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> *erik,
>
> If you don't feel the need to pay a lot of bucks, you might try some
> of
> the wide shoe offerings at Cabelas
>
> **http://tinyurl.com/nrtufq up to EEEE*
> *http://tinyurl.com/kscczs up to EE
>
> Be careful how you look at the sizes, they're not shown in numerical
> order. Size thirteen is halfway down the list.
> I've purchased several pairs, tried them on at home, and mailed the
> ones
> that didn't feel right, back for a full refund.
> That way I could go take a good morning walk, let my feet swell to
> hiking size, and get a realistic fit.
>
> eckert
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:56:02 -0700
> From: "Hiking Bob" <hikingbob at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Subject: Snow & Weather conditions Kearsarge
> Forester
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E6133A08C53A4A878F7281AD7733C0B8 at NewComputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Greetings fellow section Hiker,
>
> I will be departing a few days after you and progressing north from
> Trail Pass.
>
> Will you have the ability to post conditions?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:36:41 -0700
> From: "PCT Section Hiker" <pctsectionhiker at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Snow & Weather conditions Kearsarge Forester
> cottonwood pass
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <6DA603EBB9FC41EEB8681ABC720C9A7F at NewComputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello,
>
> A few of us will be hiking the PCT between Kearsarge and Cottonwood
> pass this coming Wednesday.
>
> We will be hiking south over Forester pass.
>
> With all the knowledge out there, I figure one of you will have the
> Snow, Weather, latest journal updates insights for this section of
> the trail.
>
> Any information is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:08:41 +0000 (UTC)
> From: moodyjj at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Powdered Milk
> To: Jim & Brenda Johnson <jdjohnson at accesscomm.ca>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <1668829129.274641246237721503.JavaMail.root at sz0094a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
> I buy the standard "Instant non-fat dry milk" at the grocery.?
> Carnation makes it, but the store brand (Kroger in our case) is
> identical but cheaper.? One-third cup of powder (enough to make 1
> cup of milk) has 80 calories, no fat, 12 gm carbohydrates, no fiber,
> and 8 gm protein.? Vitamins A and D are added.? Good source of
> calcium on the trail.? A professional nutritionist friend?told me
> that it won't spoil quickly, even after the envelope has been
> opened.? My only complaint is that all the fat has been removed.? I
> suspect that instant milk WITH fat would?spoil quickly.?
>
>
>
> I put an envelope of this stuff in each mail drop when I was on the
> AT and used it to supplement oatmeal and grits, supper meal mixes,
> hot chocolate drink, etc.? I now use it with powdered peanut butter
> to get more nutrition in lunch snacks.
>
>
>
> Mango
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim & Brenda Johnson" <jdjohnson at accesscomm.ca>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:01:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [pct-l] Powdered Milk
>
> So, I ordered some Nido powdered milk from amazon.com and had it
> sent to
> my son who's taking classes in L.A. He's on his way home today (we
> live
> in Canada's prairie provinces) for his summer break and brought them
> with him. He just phoned after arriving at his initial stop in Canada
> (Edmonton) before changing planes, and upon landing, Canada Customs
> confiscated the cans, because "they were made in Mexico". I had a
> feeling that might happen, even advising my son before his flight to
> surrender them to Customs if they gave him any flak about them.
>
> So, for us Canucks, any idea where I can get powdered milk? And real
> milk (whole), not that skim stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Jiffypop
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:33:49 -0700
> From: Brian Lewis <brianle8 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shoes For Extra Wide Feet?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <bd5c16ca0906281833w7a677550j1e0564342d4d8bc at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I too need a wide toe box --- but not an overall wide shoe. In my
> case it's
> due to "bunionettes", little-toe side bunions. The alternative to a
> decently wide --- and decently shaped --- toe box was surgery. Bleh.
>
> My solution was Golite brand shoes, I used the Sun Dragon II's for my
> thru-hike last year. It's true that they aren't as durable as a
> lot of
> shoes, but I think this is overstated. Indeed the cross-the-toe
> fabric
> starts to rip out after 200 - 300 miles, very much depending on
> chance and
> what particular debris or rock the trail has to offer. So I end up
> walking
> for the other ~half the shoe lifetime with increasingly ripped up
> above-the-toe-box fabric. So what, sez I, the shoes are
> comfortable and
> work for my feet. On occasion a little debris gets into the shoe
> that way,
> which just made it easier for me to solve the "gaitors or no gaitors"
> question (in favor of no-gaiter simplicity, plus long pant legs keep
> most
> stuff out).
>
> I'd use the same shoes if I were to do it again, and indeed if I end
> up
> getting on another long trail I'll go with the same shoes.
>
> I'm not sure that model is much available anymore, however ---
> looking at
> Golite shoe distributors (Zappos.com, Backcountry.com) I'm just
> seeing newer
> models. From the pictures, it's clear that they still have the nice
> toe box
> shape, dunno about other factors on other models. I'd have a look at
> Zappos.
>
> If anyone gets good experience (a lot of miles) on a pair of some
> other/newer model of Golite's, I'd appreciate their feedback, as at
> some
> point I'll use up the couple of backup pairs I've got in reserve!
>
>
> Brian Lewis / Gadget '08
> http://postholer.com/brianle
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:52:48 -0700
> From: David Plotnikoff <david at emeraldlake.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Tahoe and Truckee dining update
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <f06230900c66dcc4f1ab3@[192.168.1.100]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> Hello from a longtime list-lurker.
>
> I have just returned from a very satisfying climbing trip to Tahoe.
> (Trivia note: At Donner Summit, right ON the PCT is some of the
> greatest climbing in the Western US -- School Rock, Baboon Crag,
> Grouse Slabs, etc.)
>
> Time to update folks on the restaurant situation in Truckee/Tahoe.
>
> Most important amendment to the Tahoe City/Truckee page at
> http://www.emeraldlake.com/pctguide/pcttaho.html
>
> The Donner Ski Ranch bar, which was recently the only on-the-trail
> watering hole and restaurant before Belden, has cut hours from 7 days
> a week to Fridays-Sundays. Nobos take note.
>
> I've also added four new restaurant listings to the Tahoe
> City/Truckee page and the celebrated Burger Lounge to the South Lake
> Tahoe page.
>
> The main link for Best On The Crest is, as always,
>
> http://www.emeraldlake.com/pctguide/
>
> All my best to the Class of 2009.
>
> DP
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:32:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Eyes in the dark
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <686793.81063.qm at web44810.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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>
>
>> It could have been Reinhold Metzger. Were there any
>> female in your group?
>
> No, I was alone.
>
> -Nathan Miller
> Newberg, OR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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