[pct-l] Indian pass to miners creek detour + southbound update

Sat Jun 27 18:42:01 CDT 2009

Hi, southbounder here. Left manning on the 17th. Plenty of snow but
passable. Some of us had axes, others none. We all made it through.
Goretex socks are my friends... We were told in stehekin to use the
detour and bail at trinity trailhead because the next section is
impassable. We took the advice, and now have gotten info in skykomish
(via the awesome Dinsmores) that the non detour section of trail (via
white and red passes) is passable, or was last season. Anyone have any
data on this? We are thinking of heading out in the morning to pick up
the missed chunk of trail. Any quick responses would be much
appreciated.

Socks

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> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:11:06 -0700
> From: Zoli Bassoff <zolish at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
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> I am planning on hiking the john muir trail some time between mid august and
> mid september. What is the best times to hike it. One factor for me would be
> to avoid the major crowds. I would like to hike it in 15 which would include
> 1 rest day. Thanks for your input
>
> zoli
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:22:03 -0700
> From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
> To: "Zoli Bassoff" <zolish at gmail.com>,  <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> We hiked the JMT in 1998 and 1999 starting Labor Day weekend both years. We
> picked that time because we thought the crowds would be smaller.  We still
> saw plenty of people, but didn't feel like we were in a parade. I would
> recommend early September as a good starting date.
>
> 1998 was a high snow year and the flowers were great - like walking thru a
> garden most of the way. 1999 was a lower snow year but was still a fun hike
> and very different than 1998.
>
> Ken
> www GottaWalk com
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> From: "Zoli Bassoff" <zolish at gmail.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Subject: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
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> I am planning on hiking the john muir trail some time between mid august and
> mid september. What is the best times to hike it. One factor for me would be
> to avoid the major crowds. I would like to hike it in 15 which would include
> 1 rest day. Thanks for your input
>
> zoli
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> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:55:30 -0400
> From: "herbstroh at charter.net" <herbstroh at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
> To: zolish at gmail.com,  pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Generally, the later in the season you go, the less crowds. It will be a
> bit browner, but the steam crossing are easier and there is less (or no)
> snow in the passes. However, there is a chance of getting snowed on the
> later you go--the snow would not last, but it might delay you.
>
> I assume you know, but a 14 day hiking schedule (averaging almost 16 miles
> a day) to complete the JMT is a rigorous pace for most people. Hiking north
> to south you will ascend 46,000 feet and descend over 38,000, a total of
> almost 16 miles. It can be done--people have done it much faster--but
> depending on your fitness and how light you travel it may or may not be fun.
>
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> From: Zoli Bassoff zolish at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:11:06 -0700
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
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> I am planning on hiking the john muir trail some time between mid august and
> mid september. What is the best times to hike it. One factor for me would be
> to avoid the major crowds. I would like to hike it in 15 which would include
> 1 rest day. Thanks for your input
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> zoli
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> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:09:28 -0700
> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
> To: <herbstroh at charter.net>, <zolish at gmail.com>,
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> Zoli,
> I agree that a 16mi day on that section of the trail is most def a rigorous
> pace.  I've done a couple 20 & 25mi days on that section, but not
> consistently from one end to the other with only 1 down day.  IT MOST DEF
> CAN be done, but if U just came up with 14 days cuz it looks good on paper,
> I'd def recommend taking a few hikes in the backcountry of Yosemite or
> Sequoia or King Canyon to get a feel for a 16mi day with a 30# pack at the
> 8000+ ft elevation cuz "On Paper" and "on Foot" are 2 very different things.
>
> Josh
>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:56 PM
> To: zolish at gmail.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
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> Generally, the later in the season you go, the less crowds. It will be a bit
> browner, but the steam crossing are easier and there is less (or no) snow in
> the passes. However, there is a chance of getting snowed on the later you
> go--the snow would not last, but it might delay you.
>
> I assume you know, but a 14 day hiking schedule (averaging almost 16 miles a
> day) to complete the JMT is a rigorous pace for most people. Hiking north to
> south you will ascend 46,000 feet and descend over 38,000, a total of almost
> 16 miles. It can be done--people have done it much faster--but depending on
> your fitness and how light you travel it may or may not be fun.
>
>
>
> Original Message:
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> From: Zoli Bassoff zolish at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:11:06 -0700
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
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> I am planning on hiking the john muir trail some time between mid august and
> mid september. What is the best times to hike it. One factor for me would be
> to avoid the major crowds. I would like to hike it in 15 which would include
> 1 rest day. Thanks for your input
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> zoli
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> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:06:39 -0700
> From: Jeff <jolson at olc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
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> I've hike the JMT, or parts of it, off and on since the late 1960s.
> What I've seen is there is a fall-off of people after Labor Day.
> However, I never felt that the trail was crowded - ever.  There was
> supposedly a bubble of hikers in the 70s when the counter-culture made
> backpacking cool.  I didn't notice it.
>
> Sure I'd see five or six or more groups of people hiking the opposite
> direction on the busiest of days, but I choose not to camp near them.
> If you get 100 yards off the trail, you have the Sierra to yourself.
> Most people don't camp more than 50' from the trail it seems...
>
> The worst I've seen was at Tyndall Creek - there were six or seven
> parties - 30 ore more people - camped there when I cruised in last
> summer in a rainstorm.  We didn't care, and set up above the crowds,
> much to some people's annoyance I think.
>
> Jeffrey Olson
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>> I am planning on hiking the john muir trail some time between mid august and
>> mid september. What is the best times to hike it. One factor for me would be
>> to avoid the major crowds. I would like to hike it in 15 which would include
>> 1 rest day. Thanks for your input
>>
>> zoli
>>
>
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> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:11:14 -0700
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at fastpack.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking the John Muir Trail
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Jeff<jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
>> However, I never felt that the trail was crowded - ever
>
> Rae Lakes & Vidette Meadows can be a zoo on weekends, as can 1000
> island lake,  and anywhere easily reached by a day's hike.
>
> Midweek should not be an issue.
>
> Hiking has never seemed crowded, just some of the camping areas.
>
> IMHO, YMMV.
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:56:08 -0700
> From: Laura Newman <newmanonthepct at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Request for Lat Long at Inspiration Point,     Wrightwood
>         (off Angeles    Crest - The 2)
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> Hi All,
>
> I'm picking up my girl from the trail at Inspiration Point and don't know
> where to go exactly.
>
> Does any body have the Lat Long coordinates that I can plug into my GPS?
>
> Much appreciated,
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:14:28 -0700
> From: Laura Newman <newmanonthepct at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]  Need Lat Long of Inspiration Point, Wrightwood
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Request for Lat Long at Inspiration Point, Wrightwood (off Angeles Crest -
> The 2)
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm picking up my girl from the trail at Inspiration Point and don't know
> where to go exactly.
>
> Does any body have the Lat Long coordinates that I can plug into my GPS?
>
> Much appreciated,
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:34:36 -0700
> From: Halfmile <halfmile at pctmap.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Request for Lat Long at Inspiration Point,
>         Wrightwood      (off Angeles Crest - The 2)
> To: Laura Newman <newmanonthepct at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi Laura,
> The PCT crosses Hwy 2 at:
> N34.37235 W117.71009
>
> According to Garmin Mapsource Inspiration Point is technically about
> 270 feet south of this Hwy 2 / PCT junction at:
> N34.37167 W117.70977
>
> All these are WGS 84 datum.
> Some GPS programs might want longitude formatted with a negative
> number e.g. -117.71009
> -Halfmile
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Laura Newman<newmanonthepct at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm picking up my girl from the trail at Inspiration P