[pct-l] Lift to kenney meadows
McKay, Spencer
sdmckay at uncc.edu
Sat Jun 20 10:32:04 CDT 2009
I was wondering if anyone was heading up to Kennedy Meadows, I got
down into Lake Isabella yesterday and Kobie and I (warpzilla) are
looking for a way to KM. If you or you know of someone heading up
please let me know.
Thanks,
Spencer aka Warpzilla
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> 3. Stehekin Bus Article (Barry Teschlog)
> 4. Man and Mule Depart Tomorrow (Bronze)
> 5. Steven's Pass today.......... (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 6. RE. smelling the roses... (joseph kisner)
> 7. ISO scientists hiking the PCT this year (KCleary at ngs.org)
> 8. Re: Remedies for loss of appetite (Josh)
> 9. Re: Remedies for loss of appetite (Josh)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:42:38 -0700
> From: "Dave and Cindy" <hikeon at surewest.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wondering about a hiker
> To: <Pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Jessica Winters"
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> Hi Wildflower,
> According to WS Monty's journal as of the 15th of June, Troutlily
> was with
> him and others until as they had flipped up to Donnor Pass. She
> decided to
> hitch back south with Mystic after finding out it wasn't any better
> further
> north.
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=277845
> Zelda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Winters" <jessicawinters at mac.com>
> To: <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:52 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] wondering about a hiker
>
>
>> I am just checking to see if anybody has seen or heard from my friend
>> Shelton. Her trail name is "Troutlily." She tends to go by both
>> names. I haven't heard from her since she was in Tehachapi several
>> weeks ago it seems... and with all that bad weather I'm just
>> wondering if anybody knows.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wildflower
>>
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> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kent Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] looking for options to get to Ashland
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net, hermenlf at eou.edu
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> Hi Larry -
> ?
> The easiest way to get to Ashland is the Greyhound which goes to
> Medford, and then take the local bus to Ashland.?? That leaves you
> about 10 miles short of the PCT, but that is a relatively easy
> hitch.? Local bus #10 can be boarded about a block from the
> Greyhound station in Medford, and it will drop you in downtown
> Ashland for $2.?
> ?
> Also, you can rent a car one way from Portland to Ashland. One rent-
> a-car business that will do this is Enterprise.??
> ?
> Thirdly, I have a friend in Portland who commutes to work in Ashland
> regularly, and if you contact me off-list, I will contact him.? Make
> sure you give me a phone number if you are interested in this last
> option.
> ?
> see you on the PCT, Kent
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:33:46 -0700
>>
>> Hi, my wife and I are trying to find options to get from Portland,
>> OR to
>> Ashland in late July and ultimately to the PCT to begin hiking
>> north.? Has
>> anyone done this before who can share ideas for transportation?? If
>> there is
>> anyone who has any ideas please send me an email at hermenlf at eou.edu.
>>
>> Thanks, Larry Hermens
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Stehekin Bus Article
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> FYI
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/traveloutdoors/2009356424_webstehekin_18.html
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:21:24 -0700
> From: Bronze <hhlawaty at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Man and Mule Depart Tomorrow
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> Well guys, the adventure and experiment begins tomorrow at dawn. My
> thanks
> to everyone who contributed some wisdom, advice, or support. I'll
> try and
> update the trail journal on my website every two weeks or so, if you
> are
> inclined to follow along. Best of luck to all the other Sobos who
> are on
> the trail or heading out soon! Andale!
> BRONZE
> http://manandmule.com
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> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:34:22 -0700
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Steven's Pass today..........
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> Here's some pics of Steven's Pass today. Hwy 2 is at 4,012 feet.
> Goes up
> about 1,500 feet to top of ski lift.
>
> http://www.stevenspass.com/Stevens/info/mountain-cams.aspx
>
> PCT MOM
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> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:17:24 -0700
> From: joseph kisner <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] RE. smelling the roses...
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> As my friends are traversing the trail at record paces, I can not
> help from dreaming of being there with them. When I get a call from
> Scott, I know exactly where he is calling from. I can, in my mind
> walk ahead, see every turn, gaze upon every hill, mountain, and
> valley. I can do the math in my head and predict when they get to
> the next water, town and road. All this without a book. I can see
> the trees, boulders, my old camp sites and predict where they will
> bed down. And I can do this all the way to Canada. When I analyze
> this, I find it absolutely amazing. Knowing a simple footpath with
> so much intimacy, that you can remember every nook and crannie. Some
> call it smelling the roses, but it is far more absorbing than that,
> the love that these guys have for this trail, is nothing less than
> Grand. They all have love ones at home, live on small budgets all
> year, and sacrafice it all to be where they are. Good luck my
> friends, a piece of me will be with you guys to the end... Joe
> Kisner aka..tatu-jo
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> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:09:35 -0400
> From: KCleary at ngs.org
> Subject: [pct-l] ISO scientists hiking the PCT this year
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> Hello--
> We're on the look out for any scientists who are hiking the trail this
> year. If you're a naturalist, environmentalist, biologist, ecologist
> or a
> whatever'ist and would be interested in working with a small film
> crew,
> write with a little information about yourself and your respective
> "ist".
> Thanks!
> Katie
> Please write to ngpct2009 at gmail.com
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:17:56 -0700
> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Remedies for loss of appetite
> To: "'carol bruno'" <carolwbruno at yahoo.com>, <pct-
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> Directed to Clint,
> Now THAT's What should be meant by 'Listen to UR Body'...not hiking
> 3 days &
> then Resting in Aqua Dulce for 3 days! Lol
>
> Great Example CQ.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> ]
> On Behalf Of carol bruno
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:06 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Remedies for loss of appetite
>
> I had this problem once on section D---hiking during early June (hot
> temps).? I focused on hydration?after I began to feel fatigued, but
> urine
> was clear and I was drinking more than enough water---maybe too
> much, as
> that depletes sodium out of the body. ?I increasingly became more and
> more?nauseous and lethargic and had to leave the trail.? My first
> stop at a
> convenience store I bought two jars of pickles and immediately drank
> all the
> pickle juice---never did that before---and just assumed?from that
> craving
> that it was an electrolyte issue.??Later had a friend agree that I was
> probably losing too much salt, too fast.? Just an FYI on my own
> experience.?
> Now I pack a lot of salty foods and some lyte mixes for my water.? CQ?
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:20:31 -0700
> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Remedies for loss of appetite
> To: "'Clint Kaul'" <clintkaul at gmail.com>
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> Clint,
>> Thank you for all your comments, several of which I would never
>> think of.
>>
>
> That's really funny! But I know what U mean! Chemo Meds??? WTF???
> lol
>
> Personally, I think if U just 'play' with different things & not
> give up
> U'll eventually find something that'll work for U. IMHO, Protein is
> best
> for dinner where U have 8-12hrs to completely digest it. That's NOT
> to say
> that 0g Protein during the day is something to shoot for, just not a
> bunch
> of High Protein Bars all day long. Also, I do NOT think that there
> is one
> SINGLE thing 'wrong' with U but more likely several smaller things:
> Too Much
> Protein during the day + Ibuprofen + Electrolyte Imbalance + Altitude
> Sickness.
>
> The last of which I didn't see anyone mention, but U may actually be
> suffering slightly from Altitude Sickness & that, in combination
> with other
> factors, could be causing UR problems.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_sickness
>
> Just something to read-up on.
>
> I seriously doubt UR dehydrated as Urine color is quite a good
> indicator of
> hydration.
> Clear = Over hydration
> Pale Yellow = 'Normal' Hydration
> Dark Yellow = Dehydration
>
> One thing that U may consider doing in the near future, is to plan
> multiple
> vigorous 3-5day trips which will give U multiple opportunities to
> zero-in on
> what works for U b4 planning a long section/thru hike where having to
> drop-out would really suck!
>
> Josh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> ]
> On Behalf Of Clint Kaul
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:12 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Remedies for loss of appetite
>
> Hello,
>
> I have received lots of suggestions for remedies for loss of appetite.
> Since most of them were off-list, I will summarize them here. Thank
> you all
> for your suggestions and own personal stories of similar events.
>
> ### Several people "admonished" me to listen to my body. Yeah ...
> well ...
> Point taken. Their example was the fact that I started feeling
> better after
> 3 days of rest in Agua Dulce. Basically back off so my body isn't
> fighting
> itself so hard. This can be done as:
> - take more zeros at my resupply locations. recover from calorie
> loss.
> - reduce my baseweight so I don't expend as much energy carrying a
> large
> load
> - hike at a slower pace so that you are breathing easily. this helps
> increase the oxygen to the muscles as well.
> - look at varying the rest breaks (duration and how often) to see what
> works best for me.
> It may mean very long days, but that is preferable to "killing
> myself".
> Eventually your body will adjust (become trained) and things will
> pick up.
>
> ### Several people talked about eating and taking breaks. The
> background is
> that blood flow is "prioritized" according to activity. If you set
> the
> standard for "oxygen and energy to the legs" by constantly walking
> then that
> is where the blood goes. Things like upper digestive track
> activities are a
> low priority.
>
> A few people mentioned that if they tried to eat anything while
> hiking it
> was much harder to swallow and keep down. Several people mentioned
> the
> following type of break:
> - stop (in shade) and rest for about 20 minutes or until your heart
> rate
> settles down to a resting rate.
> - eat your snacks/lunch/dinner/...
> - continue to rest another 20 minutes after eating and drinking. This
> allows the stomach to start digesting before you re-prioritize the
> blood flow back to your legs.
> It was also suggested to eat meals at the top of hills. Eat tiny
> snacks at
> the bottom and on the way up hills. I think the idea is to minimize
> hiking
> exertion right after eating large meals so you can properly digest
> them.
>
> I'm not sure I can afford such long breaks at the frequency I need
> to eat.
> My normal hiking style is to snack for 2-3 hours. When my snack
> pocket is
> empty I take a 20-30 minute break, eat from the pack and reload my
> snack
> pocket. Repeat until it gets dark. I'm not sure I can move the
> snacking to
> the break period and eat more then.
>
> Perhaps a mixture of more easily digested snacks while hiking mixed
> with
> "healthy" larger meals during the long breaks will work. Several
> people
> suggested sport gels, carbonated drinks, hard candies, pedialite
> mixes are
> okay while walking. Anything heavier you need to rest before eating
>
> Along these lines was an idea of a more liquid based diet. For
> example
> drink Carnation Instant Breakfast instead of cereal. Hot chocolate
> seems to
> be a favorite as well. (Avoid coffee/tea since they are acidic).
> Also look at what endurance athletes consume: Sustained Energy,
> Hammergel,
> Perpetuem, ... drink it down and keep it down.
>
> ### Someone mentioned that I might have lactose intolerance issues.
> I was throwing-up cereal/milk for breakfast. I started having a
> similar
> suspicion. Eating bars in the morning was usually better.
> I never felt nauseous while eating cheese based lunches though.
> And once in town I had no problems with ice cream/milk.
>
> Still it could be an issue. Perhaps it only occurs under over-
> exertion
> conditions. I was planning on getting rid of cereal/milk in the
> morning
> because it slows me down too much.
>
> ### Someone mentioned it might be celiac disease (gluten allergy)
> where your
> digestive system will start attacking itself and you get all kinds
> of really
> awful digestive system symptoms. Although I am not allergic to
> gluten in
> "civilian life", perhaps massive increase in calories pushed me over
> the
> edge.
>
> ### Someone suggested I gain 10 pounds before my next big hike. I had
> gained some weight (5 pounds) before leaving Campo. The idea is to
> build up
> a fat reserve which can act as a buffer against my fast metabolism.
> It is
> unrealistic to think I can carry enough calories so I don't lose
> weight.
>
> ### Several people mentioned that the correct carb:fat:protein balance
> varies greatly between people. Some people need lots of protein,
> others
> need lots of carbs. So the PackLightEatRight article stating
> 50:40:10 may
> not work for everyone. One diabetic said his doctor suggested a
> 75:15:10
> ratio with most of the carbs coming from simple fast acting carbs.
> The National Institute of Health recommends a 70:15:15.
>
> Simply change my food ratios to see what works for me. There is no
> one
> "magic" formula. Most commonly, high fat foods look really
> disgusting in
> warmer desert environments. Although it's hard to pack in as many
> calories
> without fats, some people find the carbs are easier to handle.
>
> I finally found one decent article "Pack Light Eat Right" at:
> http://thru-hiker.com/articles/pack_light_eat_right.php
> It is proposing a 50:40:10 (carb:fat:protein) ratio for food.
> Going through what I was eating, it was more like 50:30:20.
> It appears I was eating too much protein which the body has to
> really work
> at to digest. I bought a bunch of high carb/high fat foods (focused
> on low
> protein) to augment my food supply.
> Later I found Erik The Black's Junk Food Diet page:
> http://www.eriktheblack.com/blog/junkfood-hiking-diet/
> which seems to bolster this. Unfortunately I never got a chance to
> test the
> new balance; food poisoning the first day out of Tehachapi ;(
>
> ### By far the largest number of people suggested electrolyte
> deficiencies.
> Hyponatremia is a cause of nausea/vomiting and is caused by drinking
> too
> much water or excreting too much salt.
>
> Even though my urine was clear it was a false sign of being properly
> hydrated. Given that I sweat a lot I was probably losing too much
> salt. I
> didn't drink much gatorade figuring I would get the salts through my
> food.
>
> Make sure you are getting enough sodium/salt in your diet. If you
> are using
> an 'electrolyte replacement', make sure it's heavy on sodium, not
> potassium.
>
> ### A few people provided ideas on reducing the stomach acid and
> nausea
> symptoms. Taking things like antacids or Pepcid. There is also a
> natural
> substance that is available by prescription that has significant
> anti-nausea
> effects and is even prescribed for that express purpose to folks
> undergoing
> chemo. One hiker suggested digestive enzymes such as Zand's
> QuickDigest to
> help digestion and reduce heartburn.
>
> Perhaps my original high protein diet was causing my stomach to
> produce too
> much acid. (The stomach uses acid to break down the protein before
> absorbing it).
>
> ### It is well known that Ibuprofen (or similar NSAIDs) is very
> irritating
> to the gastric lining, especially if taken frequently. One solution
> is to
> take a histamine-blocker (like Zantac/Ranitidine) or a proton-pump
> inhibitor
> (like Omeprazole/Prilosec). You could also try using Tylenol
> instead of
> some or all of the Ibuprofen doses to minimize gastric irritation
>
>
> Thank you for all your comments, several of which I would never
> think of.
> I now have lots of variables to play with to see what works for me.
> Being "unscientific" I'll probably change several variables at once ;)
>
> clint
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