Yes OD, I know what you are talking about......Hiking can be downright risky now days. JMT Reinhold ------------------------ OD.....(Jmt) wrote: Ha ha, You're one of the few others I've heard talk about the sirens of yosemite, good times. I was lucky enough to get oedut after a couple days, who knows what would have happened if I didn't get out when I did. OD