[pct-l] PCT MONUMENT

patti kulesz peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 31 18:18:56 CST 2009


woohoo...thanx Panama!  let me know if u need any help so far nothing on my plate... I live in Agoura Hills...no car though so u'll have to wait for the buses to come get me...LOL

patti

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, PCTPANAMA at aol.com <PCTPANAMA at aol.com> wrote:

From: PCTPANAMA at aol.com <PCTPANAMA at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT MONUMENT
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 4:10 PM

After a long exchange of emails over the last year I have just  received 
permission to restore the monument.  Looks to be in bad shape  but I think I can 
save it for a few more years. Why replace it when  its not needed? Will be 
camping at lake morena sometime first week in  feb for two days to restore it. 
Also hoping to do the hotdogs for all again  this kickoff. Should anyone have any 
questions you may reach me at  626-272-8794 or _PCTPANAMA at aol.com_ 
(mailto:PCTPANAMA at aol.com) . Brian  Gill. 'Panama'
 
 
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Bridge  of the Gods (Jim Eagleton)
2. thru-hiking on a budget (Diane  at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
3. Re: bridge of the gods  (patti kulesz)
4. Bridge of the Gods/Bear Mtn. Bridge  (garrett at garrettcotham.com)
5. wi-fi on the trail (sandy  boyd)
6. Re: Drought in California (patti  kulesz)
7. Re: Southern PCT Monument Ownership Question (patti  kulesz)
8. Re: Southern PCT Monument Ownership Question (At  Rerunner)
9. H & B 101:  A Plunge in the  Night
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Message:  1
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:57:11 -0500
From: Jim Eagleton  <eagleton at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bridge of the Gods
To:  pct list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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When Earl Schaeffer first hiked  the AT, he was incensed to have to pay a 
nickel to cross the Bear Mt Bridge  (also essentially the low point on the 
trail.)  On one of my first  section hikes, we finished a section there and wanted 
to go out on the bridge  for the view.  The toll was up to 25 cents.  My 
partner didn't want  to pay, so we negotiated/whined and the toll taker agreed to 
accept 25 cents  for both of us to go half way across the bridge.  I probably 
would have  paid 25 cents out and 25 cents back, each. so we may have gotten a 
75%  discount.  Shortly after this trip they gave up collecting from  
pedestrians.  I'm not sure how proud I am of my part in this  progress.
Rambler
> From: saintgimp at hotmail.com> To:  peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com; 
pct-l at backcountry.net; losthiker at sisqtel.net>  Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:28:23 -0800> 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bridge of the  Gods> > patti wrote:> > is that just for thru 
hikers? cuz  according to this it's fity cent...> > The people running the toll 
booth  seem to have an informal policy of not > charging PCT hikers for the  
privilege of crossing. They certainly didn't > when I crossed a couple of  years 
ago. Don't count on it, though.> > Eric > >  
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Message:  2
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:06:18 -0800
From: Diane at Santa Barbara  Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject:  [pct-l] thru-hiking on a budget
To:  pct-l at backcountry.net
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I was rather  profligate in my spending last year. This year I won't  
be. My data  entry and retail jobs this year haven't exactly padded my  
savings  account. It sounds like at least Patti is also trying to hike  
on the  cheap.

In trying to figure out how to save money, the only thing I  could  
really come up with is not spending the night in hotels.  Hotels  
themselves are not necessarily all that terribly expensive,  and if  
you share a hotel they can be quite cheap. But they invite  going out  
to eat and staying extra nights.

If I use town  stops simply to resupply and get back on the trail,  
maybe stopping  for one good meal filled with healthy veggies and  
fruit, and using a  sun shower when I'm craving cleanliness, the hike  
shouldn't cost  much more than being home and out of work. There would  
be the added  weight of carrying the sun shower and some soap, but  
that doesn't  sound too bad.

The other thing I think I wasted money on was mailing  things. I  
mailed a lot of things home that maybe I would have been  better off  
just throwing in the trash. The bounce bucket was  expensive, too. I  
really relied on it, but perhaps I can do without  it. Or rather,  
without a specific one that follows me the whole  trail.

Other than that, I can't think of anything that would really  reduce  
expenses. Does anyone have any other  ideas?


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Message: 3
Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:40:40 -0800 (PST)
From: patti kulesz  <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] bridge of the  gods
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, Trekker4 at aol.com
Message-ID:  <600100.45362.qm at web54404.mail.yahoo.com>
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woohoo...thanx Trekker! u  rock!

patti

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Trekker4 at aol.com  <Trekker4 at aol.com> wrote:
From: Trekker4 at aol.com  <Trekker4 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] bridge of the gods
To:  peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Saturday, January 31,  2009, 7:37 AM





Tell ya what Patti, if I get there before  you do, I'll leave 50 cents with 
the toll taker to pay your toll. Let me  know where you are towards the end 
of 
July; I'll be at  trekker4 at pocketmail.com from mid-June 
to mid-September (yes, they'll sell  you a 3-month subscription). If you get 
there before I do, I guess you'll  just have to wait for me. Hell, I might 
even 
buy you a "tasty  beverage"(copyright Yogi).
?
Bob 
"Trekker"
Big Bend Desert  Denizen
Naturalized Citizen - Republic of 
Texas

Government  cripples you, then hands you a crutch and says, 'See, if 
it wasn't for us,  you couldn't walk.' 
-- Harry Browne

"If you think 
health care  is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when its 
free." 

--  P. J. ORourke


?

In a message dated 1/30/2009 3:37:24 P.M.  Central Standard Time, 
peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com writes:
for 
anyone that cares and is on a "no beer stops in town, unless someone else is  
buying" budget like me...the Bridge of the Gods is charging 50  cents to 
cross...maybe we could just give them a sacrifice of  another 
hiker...hhhuuwwhhhaaahhhaaa....JK

patti


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 31 Jan  2009 08:43:52 -0800
From: garrett at garrettcotham.com
Subject: [pct-l]  Bridge of the Gods/Bear Mtn. Bridge
To:  pct-l at backcountry.net
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I walked right across the  Bridge of the Gods in '05 in the middle of  
the day with no one  stopping me or asking for a toll. The person in  
the booth even gave  me a friendly wave and smile. Also tried to cross  
Bear Mtn. Bridge  last August on a day hike but was turned around by  
the $1 toll (had  no cash on me) The teenage girl in the booth was an  
unmoveable force  not to be trifled with. Put an abrupt end to that  
hike. At the risk  of starting a coastal war, sometimes it's true what  
they say "the  west coast is the best  coast!"


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Message: 5
Date:  Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:48:46 -0800 (PST)
From: sandy boyd  <sandylwes at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] wi-fi on the trail
To:  pct-l at backcountry.net
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Im considering the new apple Itouch  mp3?with wi- fi. Is there any wi-fi on 
the trail?? I want to get one anyway,  but it would be a bonus if it could be 
used on the trail to? check email from  time to time. Thanks- sandy

You can rest when you die!!!!  



?Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the  things that you 
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the  bowlines. Sail away 
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.  Explore. Dream. 
Discover.? Mark Twain




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 31 Jan  2009 08:49:39 -0800 (PST)
From: patti kulesz  <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drought in  California
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>,   Jeffrey Olson
<jolson at olc.edu>
Message-ID:  <496594.42790.qm at web54407.mail.yahoo.com>
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o great now it's gonna rain for a  month...LOL

patti

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, Jeffrey Olson  <jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
From: Jeffrey Olson  <jolson at olc.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] Drought in California
To:  "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Saturday,  January 31, 2009, 7:01  AM

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/section/news02



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Message:  7
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:54:22 -0800 (PST)
From: patti kulesz  <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southern PCT Monument  Ownership Question
To: pct-l at backcountry.nethiker97 at aol.com
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actually my friend George is in charge of that section  and has reported 
several months ago. It's a matter of funding...of  course...all amounts to the 
dollar! If u check out my journal u'll see me  posing on it when me and George 
were there...he took the pics mostly to show  the wear and tear on it for the 
council or whoever it is he shows it to. I  just wanted to have my pic taken 
there...LOL. We're hopin for replacement  before the kickoff! If ur interested in 
helping out with maintenance on the  trail...give me a shout and I will have 
him send u an email with the  schedules....

patti

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, hiker97 at aol.com  <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
From: hiker97 at aol.com  <hiker97 at aol.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Southern PCT Monument Ownership  Question
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009,  7:50 AM

I was down at the Mexican border and the PCT monument several  weeks ago.? As 
a
professional backpacker, I signed the trail register and  then noticed how 
much
in disrepair the monument is.

Who is supposed  to take care of the monument?? I would think it would be in
great shape,  but it is not.? It needs wood repair and painting.? Who put it 
up
anyway??  Was it the PCTA?

It would be cool if before the April Kickoff and all  the hikers starting 
north,
it was made to look good.? That check should be  done each year.

Thanks, Switchback
Trail Pirate and Class of  2012
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Message:  8
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:59:32 -0600
From: At Rerunner  <atrerunner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southern PCT Monument  Ownership Question
To: hiker97 at aol.com
Cc:  pct-l at backcountry.net
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If someone builds a new one, maybe they  could incorporate a
solar-powered wireless web-cam that departing hikers  could activate to
record a clip of their first steps North....if the  Monument is a PCTA
responsibility, they could probably earn a few $'s  selling videos and
screen-caps to hikers.

fenu

On 1/31/09,  hiker97 at aol.com <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
> I was down at the  Mexican border and the PCT monument several weeks ago.? 
As
> a  professional backpacker, I signed the trail register and then noticed  
how
> much in disrepair the monument is.
>
> Who is supposed  to take care of the monument?? I would think it would be in
> great  shape, but it is not.? It needs wood repair and painting.? Who put it
>  up anyway?? Was it the PCTA?
>
> It would be cool if before the  April Kickoff and all the hikers starting
> north, it was made to look  good.? That check should be done each year.
>
> Thanks,  Switchback
> Trail Pirate and Class of 2012
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Message:  9
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:32:33 -0800
From:  <ned at pacificcrestcustombuilders.com>
Subject: [pct-l] H & B  101:  A Plunge in the Night
To: "PCT MailingList"  <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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[ This is the first  installment in a series of first-hand accounts of acts 
of heroism and/or  bravery experienced on a thru-hike. 
It is our hope that through these  stories hikers will be more aware, chose 
to be more prepared, and have a safe  time out there.
Names will be changed, if requested, and wherever possible,  the author's own 
words will be used. Enjoy.  ]




Snow-1:


This is a very typical account of an  accident in the snow. What sets it 
apart is that it happened at  night.


What Happened:

"I didn't make it very far past where  the deep snow started, about 10-15 
miles past the climb out of Weldon, (I'd  have to look at a map after all of 
these years) which was *very* lucky for me.  I had never snow shoed before, and 
was way overconfident, a combination that  would have made me one of the first 
fatalities of the PCT had i made it much  farther before getting injured. 

"Embarrassingly enough, i had to leave  the tent in the middle of the night 
to go to the bathroom and postholed right  into a branch under the snow and 
fell over the hidden log, tearing up my knee.  ...crawled back to the tent, 
wrapped the knee up, and eventually limped back  to Lake Isabella, and then Mohave."


The Details:

"Well, i  guess that the biggest mistake that i made, other than being young, 
 bullheaded, and way overconfident, was not having any guidebook. I'm not 
even  sure that i was aware that there *was* a guidebook. I had the USGS topo 
maps,  the June 1971 national geographic article, and a roadmap from a gas 
station.  

"The first thing i did when i got back to the tent after i stopped  cussing 
was to wrap it in an ace bandage and prop it up on my pack. It really,  really 
hurt and all that i had was some aspirin and that helped keep the  swelling 
down, but i remember having to untie the bandage when it got too  tight. 

"I know it was at least one whole day that i stayed in the  tent, since it 
was snowing, and it may have been two: not really sure after  all of these 
years. I remember waking up in the morning after the storm was  over, and the sun 
was out, and i thought, well, nobody's coming up here, and  if i don't get 
going I'm going to eventually run out of food and then I'll be  too weak to go, 
and I'll die. 

"So, i pondered what to do with 15 days  of food and fuel, and decided it'd 
be really stupid to leave some behind,  because something even *worse* could 
happen, and then I'd die for sure. I made  a crutch out of a branch, and tied my 
pack to my waist with paracord and  dragged it on my pad, but that didn't 
work so great, so i ended up carrying  it, which really hurt. I was *so* glad to 
get to where the snow ended, cause  then i knew i could make it out, even 
though going down that steep grade hurt  just as much as the snow. 

"I think that i was probably delirious for  quite a while, but i seem to have 
a guardian angel, or two or three perhaps,  that saves me from my own 
stupidity, because I've been in similar jams in the  Grand Canyon and on the Barrier 
Islands and in AK, and have somehow survived.  I think that a perhaps 
overlooked mortality factor may be when someone like  myself is lucky over and over 
again, it's tempting to think, 'hey, i can (jump  that 
gap-ford-that-river-pull-in-front-of-that-tow-boat) do that: it didn't  get me last time, or the time 
before. 

"I think that i was a little too  full of myself on the PCT, since I'd gone 
GA->ME on the AT the year before,  and had spent many, many weeks in the GC by 
myself, ever since i was 16, so i  thought that i could do anything. I'm much 
more objective now. 

"As you  already know so well, disaster can strike like an unseen, angry ratt
lesnake,  but carelessness and hubris are like magnets that crash into each 
other when  they get close together. It's amazing how something so simple that 
we all  learn in first-grade can save us from ourselves: Stop, Look, 
Listen....to  which we have to add: then think about what's going on.... Hey,,,,i think 
that  i may have just plagiarized Buffalo Springfield...!   ooops."


Footnote:

"I obviously only sprained the knee  severely, didn't tear any ligaments 
completely out, although, it's bothered me  off and on ever  since."






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