[pct-l] Will I die using Fuel canisters?

[Stephen]

Have you looked at these stove idea sites?
http://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/penny.html
and Zen
http://zenstoves.net/CatCanStove.htm
I made a penny stove in about thirty minutes start to light up.  Read the 
notes about "penny pop" as it is an issue and can cause lit alcohol to be 
sprayed and start a fire.  I got a kick out of it here at home but would not 
in the woods.  I have since corrected the problem on mine and I like it. 
Super light.  I'm going to make a cat stove soon and test this also.  I 
think it is good to give things a good test run before hand like my trying 
to light the trash can on fire. Hey, I empty those Heiniken cans somehow, 
and that's why the Penny became the alcoholic stove.  But like I said, I 
still need to test the Cat Stove, and I like the idea of the whicking 
fibreglass it uses.  The Penny is so light Iwould worry about knocking it 
over and spilling fuel whereas the Cat has a more substantial flat base 
area, and I supect more safe because of it.
I'll be pisssed too...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Margavage" <davidmargavage at gmail.com>
To: "Tom Drewenskus (Tuxedo Technologies Group)" <v-todrew at microsoft.com>; 
<Pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Will I die using Fuel canisters?


I already use a oven pan wind screen, I like the pie pan top idea to add to
it.  I had planned to hike on the AT for training prior to the PCT, I need
it for sure.  I'll add trying a cat stove to my training while I'm out on
the AT to make it more interesting. If I die I'm going to be pissed ;-)

On 1/29/09, Tom Drewenskus (Tuxedo Technologies Group) <
v-todrew at microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>  David,
>
> Listen to Yogi.  She knows of what she speaks.  I was doubtful too, until 
> I
> did a comparison of lightweight stoves.
>
>
>
> For a solo thru hiker, the cat stove is the only one needed.  It is the
> lightest AND most efficient option.  I have tested several different pop
> can, double-wall, pressurized, and unpressurized stoves. I have used an 
> MSR
> Whisperlite for the last 25 years, and I switched.  Here are the stats for
> the cat stove:
>
> ·         Weight of cat stove, pot stand, and MSR Whisperlite windscreen =
> 2.6 oz
>
> ·         Boils 2 cups of cold water in 7 minutes.  Only .6 oz of
> denatured alcohol used at this point.  I know because I extinguish the 
> flame
> and pour the remainder back into my fuel bottle.  Some hikers are 
> concerned
> about the 7 minutes to boil 2 cups of water, but what's the big hurray. 
> It
> is not about cooking speed, but rather efficiency and weight.
>
> ·         Will continue to burn for another 6.5 minutes on the remainder
> of the 1 oz of fuel.
>
>
>
> You cannot beat the cat stove for efficiency, weight, reliability, cost,
> size, or sturdiness.  And denatured alcohol is available almost everywhere
> near the PCT.  What more could a thru hiker want?
>
>
>
> As for eating cold food, you can avoid this by getting a copper bottom 1.3
> liter Texsport pot with nesting handles.  It will keep your food hot for 
> ~20
> minutes in the pot while eating. The stainless steel is easy to clean.
> Weight is 5.8 oz after the lid is replaced with a pie plate cut to size, 
> and
> aluminum tape for a lid handle.
>
>
>
> Good luck on your thru hike this year.  I'll be out there too.
>
>
>
> By The Book
>
> PCT 2006, 2009
>
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> I've been on the L a few times asking about where to resupply fuel
> canisters. I received a few responses. So I "broke down" and got YOGI.
> Yes, it is very good reading and planning information. I'm glad I got it.
> It
> has sections reviewing different types of shoes, socks, packs, bags, pads,
> food, cook pots, etc. BUT, when it comes to stoves there is ONLY one in
> YOGI, "Alcohol Stoves." Nothing else! Not one comment regarding canisters
> or any other type of stove. Is there a secret socity of the West I'm not
> privy to? Will I die using a fuel canister or worse yet eat cold ramens? I
> promise I won't tell anyone here in the EAST ;-)
>
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