[pct-l] TP ???

Sun Jan 25 14:38:42 CST 2009

that's awesome...sounds like something I would do. I actually got into an argument with a couple in Ojai with their family (kids) b/c they peed about two feet from the water in their own site no less and left the paper right next to it. Mind you there was a pit toilet not even 200 yards from their site! When I mentioned to them that the water was for my drinking on the trail, they tried to deny it saying that someone else must have done it. Just one of the many reasons I try my hardest to stay away from much populated areas while camping and hiking. Keep the paper trail in the office...not in the back country!

patti

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Stephen <reddirt2 at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Stephen <reddirt2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] TP ???
To: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>, "Phil Newhouse" <newhoupa1 at gmail.com>
Cc: Pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 10:43 AM

Oh no, let's do poopy rocks !  You brought it up.  Just kidding, don't need 
to do it.
This thread though makes me think some things are an issue and need to be 
addressed.  The popular trails in Seq/Kings are lined with TP.  Seriously, I 
see it everywhere.  Often there is a rock on top of it.
Once a familly asked if Iwould look for a rain parka for them at thier last 
camp and leaveon thier car atTH if I found it.  Yeah I found it.  I found it 
right next to a big poop that could not have been the kid, and so left the 
parka with a nice note on thier car.  Unfortunately Iam really good at 
finding things, on purpose, and accident.  I've found everything but not 
limited to my "Classic" knife, a PUR water filter, pack cover, pots and 
pans, a 15ft piece of poly sheeting on Lamarck Col, tent stakes of course, 
hankerchiefs, sandals, a few other knives .... and poop.   Keep track of 
your stuff and put brightcolored stringor something on your little items. 
Always go back and take a second look where camped, or stop along the way. 
And don't leave TP all over the hills !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Hiltz" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>
To: "Phil Newhouse" <newhoupa1 at gmail.com>
Cc: <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] TP ???

> For those of you longer-time list members you might remember the "poopy
> rocks" thread.  I won't subject you to that again but I agree with what
> several others have said:
>
> Burying TP, no matter what it looks like in your backyard, is not proper
> wilderness practice.  If you must use TP, you must take it with you.
> Odor-proof plastic bags would be a good idea in bear country.  If you 
> can't
> stand the thought of carrying used TP, then use what nature gives you...
>
>
> YITOOD,
>
> Easy
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Phil Newhouse <newhoupa1 at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> People packing "it" out:  what is the prescription for overnight storage 
>> in
>> Bear Country?
>>
>> phil
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Michael Chamoun <nano.michael at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Pack it out. that simple.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:15 PM, patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > well the dog poop is picked up b/c it's the law apparently...dog's
>> don't
>> > > eat organic and it keeps the natural critters away from their natural
>> > > habitat...in another words...they smell the dog poop and then stay 
>> > > away
>> > form
>> > > where they should be....maybe we should start putting dog poop around
>> the
>> > > camps so the bears stay away..LOL JK
>> > >
>> > > patti
>> > >
>> > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, David Margavage <davidmargavage at gmail.com> 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > From: David Margavage <davidmargavage at gmail.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] TP ???
>> > > To: "sue.kettles at comcast.net" <sue.kettles at comcast.net>,
>> > > Pct-l at backcountry.net
>> > > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 7:51 PM
>> > >
>> > > I think they pick up the dog poop so we don't step in it I think? 
>> > > But
>> > I'm
>> > > with you about biodegradable paper.
>> > >
>> > > On 1/24/09, sue.kettles at comcast.net <sue.kettles at comcast.net> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Please don't jump all over me, because I really would like to know.
>>  In
>> > > 20
>> > > > years of backpacking, I have never had that happen... digging a 
>> > > > hole
>> > and
>> > > > finding something.  Guess I'm just lucky.  When I did a trial bury 
>> > > > of
>> > TP
>> > > in
>> > > > my back yard, in the fall, by spring, it was pretty well
>> disintegrated.
>> > > (I
>> > > > do live in Oregon - so it rains alot here)  It is a tree source 
>> > > > after
>> > > all...
>> > > > and if its not perfumed and colored, whats the big deal burying it
>> the
>> > > right
>> > > > depth if in the right terrain??  I don't want to be ignorant, but I
>> > don't
>> > > > want to do something that is maybe, at this moment, the new "right
>> > way".
>> > > > Like people picking up their dog crap in plastic bags and putting 
>> > > > it
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > > garbage can?  How is that supposed to help the environment when it
>> will
>> > > take
>> > > > much longer to decompose in a landfill in that plastic baggy.
>>  Someone
>> > > with
>> > > > knowlege,...please,  I'd love to understand.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > HJ
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
>> > > > To: afishnamedcarl at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net, "AsABat"
>> > > > <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:29:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
>> > Eastern
>> > > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] TP ???
>> > > >
>> > > > it really sux too when one tries to find a spot to go and digs up a
>> > bunch
>> > > > of someone else's TP and ...well u know....
>> > > >
>> > > > patti
>> > > >
>> > > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > From: AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] TP ???
>> > > > To: afishnamedcarl at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
>> > > > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 5:32 PM
>> > > >
>> > > > It's very easy to put the used TP in a ziploc-type back and pack it
>> > out.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Burying it in the hole gets ugly when a critter digs it up (yes, 
>> > > > they
>> > > > do), or rain washes just enough soil away to reveal the TP 
>> > > > streamer.
>> > > >
>> > > > Burning it is a really bad idea. I thruhiker started a wildfire a
>> > couple
>> > > > years ago doing that.
>> > > >
>> > > > AsABat
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >  What's the deal with TP. Pack in pack out or leave it in the
>> whole.
>> > > > > Obviously taking it out is better but no one likes carring used 
>> > > > > tp
>> > > > with
>> > > > > them.
>> > > >
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