[pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting

[mark v]

Josh, your version of truth is manure.  Since you won't stop emailing me, at least do the PCT-L a favor and keep the email to just me.  I'm sure nobody is enjoying your obsession with me.


--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Josh <559josh at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> To: "'mark v'" <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 6:33 PM
> OMG...Not only are U misrepresenting the truth, but...I
> won't even go there
> with U...
> 
> Here are copies of my messages TO YOU:
> 
> 04/02 11:49PM:
> "Mark,
> And once the mountain lion pounces on U and its 1st attempt
> is foiled by the
> pack, what is your defense in the pitch-black darkness of
> the mountains cuz
> he's sure not gonna run-off just cuz UR not dead
> yet???......."
> 
> 04/03 12:37AM:
> "Mark,
> This is going from the practical to the absurd.  Walking
> around with a
> pulled knife or gun in hand???  C'mon!  I DO TOTALLY
> AGREE with U on the
> astronomical improbability of a mountain lion attack, but
> that's not the
> only practical reason to carry a gun or knife while on a
> trek through the
> wilderness...."
> 
> 04/03 01:53PM:
> ""...keep your guns off the
> trail..."???"
> 
> 04/03 01:57PM:
> ""...more lions are hunted down now than at any
> time in history."  Where is
> this coming from??? J/W, Josh"
> 
> 04/03 02:00PM:
> "UR statement wasn't in the form of a
> "suggestion" nor was my statement
> "it's a good idea to carry a gun on the
> PCT...".  Let's keep things in
> context and pertinent. Josh"
> 
> Of ALL of those messages ONLY the one re-posted to the
> forum was the 04/03
> 01:57PM one where you had replied @ 02:22PM with:
> "California State Department of Fish and Game"
> And I explained that the reason for that was a very
> pertinent link.
> 
> Mark,
> I had NOT intended this to become so personal...nor have I
> intentionally
> been abrasive or argumentative...although that's were
> this convo had
> arrived.  I apologize for hurting your feelings and will
> try to be extra
> careful to click on the "Reply All" button in
> future dealings with you.
> 
> Don't feel compelled to reply, ok?
> 
> Josh
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark v [mailto:allemande6 at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:04 PM
> To: Josh
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; bobnweav at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> 
> 
> Please stop emailing me.  I respond to the list only when
> you send your
> message to the list.  If someone does not have the list in
> their "to" or
> "cc" field, it's obvious that email isn't
> meant for the list.
> 
> You were sending messages to the list, then seperate ones
> to me calling me
> out.  Then i responded to you, and you copied my response
> in a message to
> the list.   If you don't get what's wrong with
> that, i can't help anymore.  
> 
> I've backed up all my statements in my posts to the
> list.  Nobody else is
> calling for further documentation beyond what i've
> already given, and i'm
> not inclined to waste any more time on this for you.
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Josh <559josh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> > To: "'mark v'"
> <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, bobnweav at gmail.com
> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:26 PM
> > Not sure how U can call it stupid considering that all
> of the past 
> > conversations were included in my post.  Sounds to me
> like you didn't 
> > appreciate being called on your statement which I am
> still 
> > waiting/looking for to find a documented reference.
> > 
> > The reason that I posted to the Server is that the
> link I included is 
> > quite pertinent to the direction that the initial post
> has taken.
> > 
> > As far as 15 messages in 15hrs...how many of those
> were btwn the 2 of 
> > us solely and not as the part of the online
> "conversation"???  
> > 2...3???  I sincerely have no interest in
> "talking to you" as an 
> > individual...if I did, then I would have given you my
> phone #...but as 
> > long as PCT-I is running...and I come across posts
> that spark my 
> > interest, I will continue to reply as I see fit.  As
> the professor 
> > that you are, I'm not sure why conversing civilly
> rubs you the wrong 
> > way anyway.
> > <confused>
> > 
> > Here's another link regarding CA DFG:
> > http://www.dfg.ca.gov/publications/docs/history.pdf
> > 
> > 2008 CA Hunting Regulation:
> >
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/regulations/08-09-wf-uplnd-lands-regs.pdf
> > The ONLY reference to Mountain Lions:
> 251.5--Possession of Live 
> > Mountain Lions
> > 
> > 1972 to 2007 Chart of Lions Killed under Depredation
> > Permits:
> >
> http://www.dfg.ca.gov/news/issues/lion/dep-lions-killed.html
> > 
> > 
> > Posted by Georgi/FireFly:
> > "Correct...in CA, they're protected by law. 
> > Contracted hunters are allowed,
> > tho they usually track with dogs that tree the cat so
> they stand no 
> > chance of escape, which, unless there's been an
> attack on a human that 
> > requires a hunt down and destroy decision, seems
> somewhat 
> > unsportsmanlike.  Ranchers are supposed to get a
> deprivation permit if 
> > livestock is being taken, but most ranchers tend to
> not wait, and take 
> > a 'shoot first and bury immediately' attitude
> if they're lucky enough 
> > to spot the offending cat when they've a rifle in
> hand.  This makes 
> > sense to me...they may never get another chance.  Most
> ranchers around 
> > here don't keep hunting/tracking dogs, mostly
> working herd dogs that 
> > may try to protect livestock and become victims
> themselves.  A good 
> > herd dog is worth hundreds of $ and are prized by
> their owners.
> > FireFly"
> > 
> > Legally, dogs cannot be used to carry-out depredation
> permit 
> > kills...maybe they can by Govt. Contracted Hunters. 
> Not sure there.  
> > If I was a rancher & I saw one (cougar, bear,
> whatever) attacking 
> > something of mine, I'd shoot 1st & sort things
> out later too!
> > 
> > And while I agree that it may be unsportsmanlike, I
> kinda like that 
> > fact insomuch that while there's a part of me that
> feels that the 
> > cougar should have a fighting chance at survival,
> there's the other 
> > part of me that feels that since we (the rest of us)
> can't hunt them, 
> > it's shouldn't be "fun" for the
> permit holders either...if that made 
> > any sense. Lol
> > 
> > Josh
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mark v [mailto:allemande6 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:36 PM
> > To: Josh
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> > 
> > 
> > Josh, when i'm emailing a reply to you personally,
> it's really stupid 
> > and inappropriate to copy it on a reply to the
> listserv.
> > Please leave me alone.
> > I've received something like 15 emails from you in
> 15 hours now.
> > 
> > My sources are easily found from googling mountain
> lion attack 
> > statistics.
> > I trust them over your word.