[pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting

[mark v]

And for the list, these claims that only contract hunters are allowed to hunt lions, that there is a steadily increasing rate of human encounters, and that the lions are behaving differently are all disputed by the same sources i found online.  According to Chester's site (and the several other sites that seem to use him as a primary source), many lions are killed by permit for people "protecting livestock and pets", the rate of human encounters is likely increasing only in terms of (accurate and erroneous)  reportings being up, and the lions where most encounters have newly begun most recently are in areas that have only recently added human development.  (In other words, it's not the lions acting differently.  It's that the people are.)

If someone who works in this field can either confirm or refute that the source i'm using is respected, that'd help.  I feel like i'm making a case here 2nd-hand...i'm just a hiker.


--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Josh <559josh at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> To: "'mark v'" <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 4:30 PM
> Mark,
> That's a fairly vague reference...and prob only deals
> with CA...where is has
> been ILLEGAL to HUNT Cougars since 1990's Prob
> 117...and this is the reason
> for the increasing population of the creature and their
> steadily increasing
> level of human encounters.  I'm pretty sure that only
> Contracted Hunters are
> allowed to hunt them...and these are in instances of
> rabies, or attack, or
> violent confrontations, etc where the DFG or NPS, etc has
> deemed an animal a
> threat.
> 
> I was under the impression that people have done the most
> deliberate damage
> to wildlife populations before we became so
> environmentally-minded.  I'd
> recommend a review of the following link:
> http://www.cougarfund.org/naturalhistory/timeline/
> 
> Josh
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark v [mailto:allemande6 at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:22 PM
> To: Josh
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> 
> 
> California State Department of Fish and Game 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Josh <559josh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Josh <559josh at gmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> > To: "'mark v'"
> <allemande6 at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 3:57 PM
> > "...more lions are hunted down now than at any
> time in history."  
> > Where is this coming from???
> > J/W,
> > Josh
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of mark v
> > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:53 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Mountain lions and hunting
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The lion attack report page also showed pretty
> convincingly that 
> > hunting rules from state to state and era to era have
> had absolutely 
> > no impact on mountain lion behavior towards humans. 
> And that with 
> > various special use permits and hunting down
> "problem" lions, more 
> > lions are hunted down now than at any time in history.
> > 
> > If you've seen Yosemite bears at work, you can see
> how cubs "learn" 
> > human interaction from watching their mamas.  It
> doesn't work that way 
> > for mountain lions, apparently, and that makes sense
> to me.
> > 
> > 
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