[pct-l] Need Water Data So Cal for tomorrow.
montypct
montypct at gmail.com
Sat Oct 18 23:43:33 CDT 2008
Hi
I am hiking Black Mountain to Scissors Crossing starting Sunday morning. (mile 190-77)
I need water data for that stretch... please
email me direct at montypct at gmail.com please.
Thank You
Warner Springs Monty
Here's those data points for reference:
A11
77.2
Scissors Crossing Caches
water [Assume DRY now]
5/26/08
Ellie
7/23/08
shower and pool located ~3 miles S on Hwy S-2, at "Stagecoach Trails". Owner asks hikers to come during normal business hours, 9am-5pm, for showers & pool. Offers discounted overnite rates for PCT hikers (2008)
A11
77.4
San Felipe Creek under Highway 78
dry at PCT crossing and 50 yards north and saw no pools, but didn't go all the way to the big healthy looking tree farther north
4/19/07
WS Monty
4/20/08
In spring, there MAY be shallow water 250 yards NNW in stream under large healthy-looking cottonwood trees (that look like trees and not large shrubs) - walk right side of streambed until near these trees
A12
91.2
San Felipe Hills Third Gate Cache
water, more off trail at Bush Cache. Will not be restocked this season. [But can go fast - take only what you need, leave some for next guy!]
10/17/08
Charlie
10/17/08
[Ed. note: It's a lot of work to get water up here. Take only what you need to get to Barrel Spring 11 miles ahead, and don't waste it. Thanks!]
If no water, a small trail (signed "water") leads downhill & east of the PCT. About a mile down this trail water which didn't get hiked up to 3rd Gate MAY be stored. If no water left here, continue 1/2 mile to the jeep road ENE of "The Big Square Post." Turn left & walk another 1 to 1.5 miles to a small "ranch." Follow the dirt road N until it crosses the stream bed and makes a left turn. Within a few feet, turn right on the road going thru the gate. Proceed 20-30 yds to another gate & find a faucet on right hand side with a garden hose attached. Use this faucet ONLY. BUT...The owner asks that hikers return to the trail (unless there is a medical emergency). PERMISSION TO TAKE WATER IS NOT AN OPEN INVITATION TO VISIT THE OWNER/EMPLOYEES, NOR TO CAMP ON THE RANCH ITSELF. Respect the owner's property and NOT GO NEAR any pen with livestock for any reason. Respect the rights of others and have a safe hike! [Ed. note: This could be 6 miles round trip, compared to 11 miles to Barrel Spring.]
Another possibility - "down the side trail is a water cistern very much closer than walking to the ranch for water. I put a bucket and a rope in there so you can pull the water up and its kind of dirty but its certainly clean enough to use a filter on." (Laurence The Spring Guy) Walk one mile down same trail as above, then at jct turn left 100 yds to cistern near some rock ruins. Others have reported they'd rather walk to the ranch.
A13
101.4
Barrel Spring
working fine Please not put feet, bandanas in, or wash their faces over the drinking water. Drip it elsewhere. Too many seriously sick hikers last year.
5/8/08
Len
5/8/08
If the trough is empty, there probably is water at the spring source. Go back south on PCT around to other side of the hill behind the trough. Go ~100 yards back up the trail (heading southbound) and look for an old "path" that leaves the trail to your "right rear" (about 120 degree angle). The spring is near the top of the ridge, normally covered by a piece of sheet metal. Please KEEP IT CLEAN! Please do not touch the bucket, rocks, or other workings in the spring. Don't stir up the water, so others can get clear water too.
A13
~104.4
Spring-fed metal cattle trough NE of Hill 3406 (0.2 NE, visible from PCT) (Usually skipped)
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A13
~104.9
Round concrete trough below mouth of San Ysidro Creek (0.2 W, sign points the way) (Usually skipped) Has about a foot of muddy water in the bottom of the trough
3/1/08
Halfmile
3/3/08
A13
105.2
San Ysidro Creek (In late spring can be wet in a.m. and dry in p.m.)
flowing good in am when I crossed it [has been dry in p.m.]
5/8/08
Len
5/8/08
A13
~106.1
Spring-Fed Metal Trough - .2 miles along faint truck path NE up hill from PCT. Trough not visible to NoBo hikers until after they are N of the truck path. Truck path is .3 miles Sobo of Eagle Rock.
3/1/08
Halfmile
3/18/08
A13
~106.4
Eagle Rock Spring - Spring-Fed Metal Trough - .3 miles N of Eagle Rock over hill near road. (or access via roads)
3/1/08
Halfmile
3/18/08
A13
~108
Cañada Verde
running stream
5/7/08
Mike and Kat
5/11/08
A14
109.6
Hwy 79 (South) (0.2 mi NE)
Dry
4/10/08
WS Monty
4/10/08
Fire Station says OK to use water (second building on right side to rear) hiker friendly.(WS Monty 5/3/07)
A14
109.6
Warner Springs town 1.2 mi NE - faucets on left side of Mini Mart, restrooms in back
Store Use faucet on left side of building Bathrooms open 24/7
3/11/08
WS Monty
3/12/08
B: Warner Springs to San Gorgonio Pass
B1
111.4
Highway 79 (North) (can be murky)
Shallow flow
4/10/08
WS Monty
4/10/08
B1
112.6
Agua Caliente Creek just past picnic tables
good flow thanks to the recent rain storm
5/23/08
Beeman
5/29/08
B2
115.1
Agua Caliente Creek
4 foot wide flow (following recent rain storm)
5/23/08
Beeman
5/29/08
B2
119.5
Lost Valley Spring (0.2 mi off trail)
water
5/12/08
Voyageur
5/14/08
Spring fed from bottom of pool. Can have "leafy" taste, which is removed by filtering. The spring is good and NOT vandalized (unlike the guidebook), and is 300 yards off trail and 80 feet lower in elevation. The spring may not be marked - look for the 3 foot high cement post, then follow the abandoned road downhill 0.2 mi)
B3
127.1
Chihuahua Valley Rd (0.2 mi E)
Water and shade at house (No water in tank 5/23 per Beeman) [See below.]
5/1/08
Brandon
5/29/08
0.2 mi E to driveway 31440 Chihuahua Valley Rd, then 0.1 m N to private water tank above house. "water in tank should be filtered. If no water in tank there should be water on back porch - go through hole in fence down the trail to house there is a netted porch to keep the bugs off, and a shower out side." per Mike Herrera at the house (2008). he is very eager to meet and assist hikers, they are welcome to stop by his place.
B3
127.1
Chihuahua Valley Road Cache (20 yds N of road)
Some water [But also see house, especially if cache empty]
5/23/08
Beeman
5/29/08
B3
127.1
(SDSU Sky Oaks Bio Field Station 2.5 mi W) - Concrete fire tank just above road.
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B4
136.6
Tule Creek
dry
5/1/08
JJ
5/1/08
B4
138.3
Tule Spring (Tule Cyn Rd, 0.25 mi SE)
tons of water
5/24/08
Beeman
5/29/08
B4
~138.8
Guzzler
Replenished by recent rain storm.
5/24/08
Beeman
5/29/08
CAUTION - top is fragile and unsafe, do not stand on it. In Section 16 just after sharp right to follow just below 2,600' contour on Map B4, beside trail on left. (Cistern is underground, looks like an 12x24' old broken parking lot) 1-foot diameter eyebrow opening.
B4
139.8
Nance Canyon (early season)
1 foot wide flow of water [check a little downstream if needed - could be going dry]
5/24/08
Beeman
5/29/08
B5
142.7
Anza (5.8 mi NW from sandy jeep rd)
Town
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B5
142.7
Hiker's Oasis Cache
Cache shelter has been removed for the season. Some water was left under a large bush adjacent to the trail. [NOTE: There is a sign south of here that says cache is in 1 mile. Stay on the PCT to the cache as the cache is not visible from the road.] [can go quickly] [aka Anza Cache]
7/9/08
Adrian
7/9/08
B5
151.3
Pines-to-Palms Hwy 74 (1.0 mi NW)
Paradise Corner Restaurant [M 11-3, WTh 11-7, FSatSun 8-7, closed tues as of 4/10/08] has hose by the door.
4/10/08
WS Monty
5/10/08
Water faucet outside front door. A trail "inside the fence runs along the south side of Hwy 74" to the Paradise Corner Restaurant.) Lots of good things said about their Jose Burger.
B6
155.0
Penrod Cyn (usually dry)
stagnant pools on both sides of trail [could go dry soon]
5/12/08
Spring Guy
5/14/08
B6
158.0
Live Oak Spring (1.0 mi E)
the spring was gushing
4/21/08
Sleuth
4/29/08
B6
158.0
Tunnel Spring (0.3 mi W)
(1) full running pipe smelled sulphyr-y, tasted pretty bad, bear right at fork (2)great, full water, spring running
(1)4/28/08 (2)4/14/08
(1)Karen (2)Roberta
5/4/08
Descend from saddle where Live Oak Spr trail & Tunnel Spr trail meet PCT. Take use trail that branches to right at the bottom of the slope, A trough filled by a pipe is ~40 yds along the use trail. The Tunnel or mine shaft, which should be avoided under any circumstance, is another 20 yards past the spring. (Cruz Control 5/14/07)
B7
162.3
Cedar Spring (Trail 4E17, 1.0 mi N)
water flowing into trough through a black pipe. An additional spring box is located 500 yds up stream.
5/25/08
Beeman
5/29/08
B7
162.3
Eagle Spr(~0.5 mi S)(hard to find, rarely used)
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B7
166.3
Fobes Saddle (0.5 m S)
The water was cold and sweet
5/20/08
Martin
5/25/08
Walk down old fobes trail [NW] 1/2 mile to scovel creek (usually running during thruhike season, may go dry in summer). 100 yds past that creek crossing a forest service spring w/a small cement horse trough with pipe
B7
168.9
Apache Spring (Trail, 0.5 mi E)
spring flowing well
4/28/08
Daniel
5/14/08
B9
~176.6
Tahquitz Creek
Water flowing well enough to filter.
10/5/08
Hikin' Jim
10/17/08
B9
176.7
Little Tahquitz Valley (Trail, 0.33 mi N)
Creek dry, but spring just north of it was flowing well.
10/5/08
Hikin' Jim
10/17/08
Two sources: 1st at creek crossing on map just S of "Tahquitz Meadow." 2nd is spring just N of the "V" in "Valley" & S of 4-way jct (between the 2 trails) at UTM 11S 531070 3736632.
From 4-way junction in Tahquitz Valley, go S towards Little Tahquitz Valley. ~2 or 3 minutes walk S of jct is small drainage w/line of trees growing in it. Just S past this drainage is edge of Tahquitz Mdw. ~ 20' past drainage w/line of trees, look 90degrees E into mdw for fallen log ~ 40 or 50 ft away that lies ~parallel to trail. N end of log roughly points to spring which flows out of a pipe into small recessed hollow. Spring is between N end of the tree and the small drainage w/line of trees, closer to drainage than the log, but not in the drainage. A fairly distinctive large, old tree is just NE of spring. Walk toward the area just N of fallen log and listen for spring. It's only visible when close to it.
B9
178.6
Idyllwild (Saddle Jct, 4.5 mi W)
Town.
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B9
181.5
Strawberry Cienaga
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B10
184.9
Deer Springs/N. Fork San Jacinto River
decent flow
7/3/08
mtsanjacinto.info
7/6/08
In 2007, Notes from hikers at the creekbed direct you to a small rock cairn 25 yards north on the PCT. From there you can scramble 50 yards uphill and back toward the creekbed along a faint use trail until you see water dripping off the rocks into a 18" pool you can dip or filter from. Other hikers found water down gully to left amid ferns and skunk cabbage.
B10
~185.4
Tributary of N. Fork San Jac River
still in waterfall mode
6/21/08
Oneatatime
7/6/08
B10
~185.6
Tributary of N. Fork San Jac River
flowing strong
5/17/08
AsABat
5/17/08
B10
190.2
Fuller Ridge Trailhead (Seasonal-150yds L)
2 small pools of water to filter
5/17/08
AsABat
5/17/08
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