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1. Re: TEHACHAPI PASS PARKING WARNING (Shutterbug steiner)
2. SAR Called on PCT Deep Creek (Shutterbug steiner)
3. Re: weather from the trail (Kent Spring)
4. Re: Jumping across the Grand Canyon (Pea Hicks)
5. Re: Jumping across the Grand Canyon (Tortoise)
6. Re: Jumping across the Grand Canyon (OMullis)
7. weather from the trail Mt. Waterman ski resort, Newcombs
Ranch, (mattjolley at comcast.net)
8. Grand Canyon (Bighummel)
9. Bear canister requirements in 2009 (Jim "PITA" Payne)
10. Re: hanging food vs. bear cannisters (Steel-Eye)
11. Re: TEHACHAPI PASS PARKING WARNING (Trail90)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:29:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shutterbug steiner <shutterbugg313 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] TEHACHAPI PASS PARKING WARNING
To: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I have left beater cars on the North side of 58 twice for 3-4 days each time
with no incident.
SB
Phil Baily <pbaily at webuniverse.net> wrote:
Section E ends and Section F starts in Tehachapi Pass at the Cameron
Road exit from Highway 58. It is a natural place to leave a car at
the beginning or end of a section hike. There is a large level
gravel/dirt area between Cameron Road and the railroad tracks. There
are two gravel/dirt entrances from Cameron Road to this area. There
are old railroad track pieces on the railroad track side of the area
paralleling the real railroad tracks. These appear to provide a
border for a parking area. If you don't like having your car towed,
DO NOT PARK HERE.
Here is how it worked in our case:
We left a car in that area for transportation when we
finished our hike. Within an hour or two, someone filed a "complaint"
with the California Highway Patrol (CHP). The CHP came out the next
day, looked the situation over, tagged the car, and authorized a
towing company to remove the "abandoned" car 72 hours after the time
of the initial complaint. At that time (within an hour or two) the
towing company towed the car. Retrieval of the car meant paying a
$140 towing fee.
Possible complications if you park there:
1. If the car is kept longer, there is also a daily
storage fee.
2. The car must be retrieved by the registered
owner. (A spouse does not qualify.) The CHP can negotiate or order
(It is not clear which.) release of the car once they receive a fax
of a power of attorney from the registered owner.
3. The towing company yard has a sign that lists
hours as: M-F 9-5, Sat, Sun by appointment. There is also a fee for
weekend release of the car.
YOU DO NOT WANT TO PARK HERE.
Questions raised by this incident:
1. Who posted the "complaint?"
2. Would prior notification of the CHP of intent, including
pick-up date, result in avoidance of these events? Would a note on
the dashboard have changed the situation, other than encouraging thieves?
3. Would the situation be any different in the small area
north of Highway 58?
4. Are the same rules applicable, if someone wants to
enforce things this way, in other trailhead areas with unsigned
apparent parking areas?
5. What about signed areas? After all, similar rules do
apply on city streets and nothing was said about this being private
property. (I do not know whether it is private or public land.)
6. Does anyone know of a nearby area where cars can be left
without this unpleasantness?
If anyone knows the answers to any of these questions, I would
appreciate hearing from you. However, I am not trying to encourage
speculation about what the rules might or should be. I have
speculated a lot the last few days, and there are better uses for this forum.
Pieces
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:37:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shutterbug steiner <shutterbugg313 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] SAR Called on PCT Deep Creek
To: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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This past Friday SAR was called for a missing female hiker from Wisconsin.
There was some communication errors with her two hiking friends and never made
it to designated camping spot. Apparently the miss communication happened
somewhere around the reroute of the PCT from this Falls Big Bear fires. She was
found at the Deep Creek Hot Springs where she was able to cell phone her family.
There was 4 inches of surprise snow in Running Springs when SAR received that
call.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 18:38:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kent Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] weather from the trail
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi -
I and about 40 other hikers are "stuck" in Wrightwood. We came down the Acorn
Trail yesterday, with about 8 inches of snow on the top (8250 '). We have been
told that someone was rescued from Baden-Powell yesterday, and I know several
people tried to go over, but turned back.
Kent
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:34:56 -0700
From: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jumping across the Grand Canyon
Cc: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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it's always good to check snopes on stuff like this:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/canyonleap.asp
cool photos nonetheless!
girlscout
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:19:44 -0700
From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jumping across the Grand Canyon
To: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
Cc: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <4838DAD0.8070401 at charter.net>
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Fooled me. Still jumping there may risk falling and sliding off the ridge.
can't tell from the foto.
Tortoise
<> He who finishes last, wins! <>
Pea Hicks wrote:
> it's always good to check snopes on stuff like this:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/canyonleap.asp
>
> cool photos nonetheless!
>
> girlscout
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 22:47:15 -0500
From: "OMullis" <omullis at aircanopy.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Jumping across the Grand Canyon
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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That's an old trick-angle photo...
Go here & read about it, including a wider shot that shows it's not as daring as
the first shot makes it appear.
http://rising.blackstar.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&pop=1&page=56&Itemid=32
Happy leaping!
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 04:11:01 +0000
From: mattjolley at comcast.net
Subject: [pct-l] weather from the trail Mt. Waterman ski resort,
Newcombs Ranch,
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Report of 8 inches of snow at 5000 feet Friday afternoon at Newcombs Ranch
So probably 80 miles of trail snow just from mile 350 to mile 430.
"chucknorris" at
http://trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?trailname=6654
Reports the owner opened up Mt. Waterman ski resort Friday night and 14 hikers
stayed.
I am guessing the facilities at the top of the lift were opened, 800 ft
elevation gain? from Hwy2,
since hearsay is "snow cat access".
http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail=pct&lat=34.349212&lon=-117.928705&zoom=15&vw=3&
is the bottom of the lift on Hwy2. about 1.5 mile west
from mile 386.5 on Hwy2.
Another resource is about two miles SE of where the PCT leaves Hwy2 at Three
points
Newcombs Ranch on Hwy 2. phone 626.440.1001
http://postholer.com/good%20times has a picture of a hamburger from there on May
20
34.3301 -118.0017
Weather station map at
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/mwmap.php?map=sgx&limit=1&list=1
BIG PINES, CA (BPNC1)
Elev: 6917 ft; Latitude: 34.3789; Longitude: -117.6919
Current time:Sat, 24 May 20:48 pm (PDT)
Most Recent Observation:Sat, 24 May 7:54 pm (PDT)
0.63 inches of precip Saturday.
Matt
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:26:56 -0700
From: Bighummel <bighummel at aol.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Grand Canyon
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Just back from an incredible trip with 24 geologists for 7 days on the water,
amongst the ages of time record and faults and structures and fossils and
crossbeds and pegmatites and shists and gneiss and mines and ruins and wind and
rain and heat and cold and rapids and good, good people.
As any of you who have done this know, words are poor substitutes for
conveyance. The best that I can come up with is;
"This is the library of time, and we, the geologists, are the librarians!"
Greg "Strider" Hummel
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 04:51:27 +0000
From: enyapjr at comcast.net (Jim "PITA" Payne)
Subject: [pct-l] Bear canister requirements in 2009
To: pct-l at backcountry.net (pct-l)
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FYI...
I just happened to check one of my bookmarks (Seki food storage) for updates -
it notes a possible MAJOR change in the regs as early as 2009...
Some of us have been saying it was coming 'soon' - looks like it will happen in
2009...
Plan on having/using a bear canister for the Sierra!
See <http://www.nps.gov/seki/planyourvisit/bear_bc.htm>...
Happy trails!!!
Jim / "PITA"
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 01:44:30 -0700
From: "Steel-Eye" <chelin at teleport.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hanging food vs. bear cannisters
To: "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Once when camping with a "newbie" I was awakened in the middle of the night
by, "HEY, wake up! I think I hear a bear walking around out there!"
In spite of the fact that bears typically sniff, and snort, and shuffle
around I wanted to go back to sleep so I groggily I replied, "I don't think
so. Bears have great big, soft, fuzzy feet. If he was walking around out
there you wouldn't hear a thing."
Mistake. Big mistake -- HUGE! From then on for the rest of the night I
was awakened with, "HEY, wake up. I don't hear anything! There must be a
bear out there!"
Steel-Eye
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From: "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu>
Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hanging food vs. bear cannisters
> "The Myths about Bears"
>
> When a bear does appear and you're sleeping with your food remain still
> and observant. Unless your tent rain fly is open you won't see the
> bear. You'll only hear it.
>
> Jeff, just Jeff...
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 08:29:05 -0700
From: Trail90 <pct-l at mattmaxon.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] TEHACHAPI PASS PARKING WARNING
To: Phil Baily <pbaily at webuniverse.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <483985C0.2000508 at mattmaxon.com>
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Phil Baily wrote:
> There is a large level
> gravel/dirt area between Cameron Road and the railroad tracks. There
> are two gravel/dirt entrances from Cameron Road to this area. There
> are old railroad track pieces on the railroad track side of the area
> paralleling the real railroad tracks. These appear to provide a
> border for a parking area. If you don't like having your car towed,
> DO NOT PARK HERE.
>
>
if you copy and paste the xml below it will show the area you are
describing? (google earth)
It would seem to me to be UPRR property
I'd say UPRR security would be the ones to file a complaint or the CHP
has standing permission to cite and tow vehicles parked there
I'm sorry for your troubles and would suggest you write the CHP and ask
them to forward a letter explaining why you parked there and asking it
be posted no parking - private property yada...yada...yada...
Maybe a "PCT hiker" note on the window would give'em a clue but it's
difficult or a phone # for contacting a spouse.
On the legal end it seems to me the CHP made no attempt to contact the RO
They can get the RO address and phone from the license number
I had parked my motorcycle at Fenner Camp at the locked gate going up to
Vincent Gulch when Hiking the High Desert Trail.
Fenner Camp which is a CDF work Camp using state prison inmates
complained and contacted my home phone, my wife contacted me by cell
phone and I moved the vehicle before it was towed.
Seems to me investigation of the law may yield some results in court to
recover your expenses, but it is Kern County and they are pretty tight
around there... The Judge is probably the Dad, Brother, Cousin of the cop.
Trail90
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<Document>
<name>KmlFile</name>
<Style id="sn_parking_lot">
<IconStyle>
<color>ccffffff</color>
<scale>1.2</scale>
<Icon>
<href>http://maps.google.com/mapfiles/kml/shapes/parking_lot.png</href>
</Icon>
<hotSpot x="0.5" y="0" xunits="fraction" yunits="fraction"/>
</IconStyle>
<ListStyle>
</ListStyle>
</Style>
<StyleMap id="msn_parking_lot">
<Pair>
<key>normal</key>
<styleUrl>#sn_parking_lot</styleUrl>
</Pair>
<Pair>
<key>highlight</key>
<styleUrl>#sh_parking_lot</styleUrl>
</Pair>
</StyleMap>
<Style id="sh_parking_lot">
<IconStyle>
<color>ccffffff</color>
<scale>1.4</scale>
<Icon>
<href>http://maps.google.com/mapfiles/kml/shapes/parking_lot.png</href>
</Icon>
<hotSpot x="0.5" y="0" xunits="fraction" yunits="fraction"/>
</IconStyle>
<ListStyle>
</ListStyle>
</Style>
<Placemark>
<name>Area described </name>
<description>Is the the area you where parked?
This would be Union Pacific Railroad property IMO</description>
<LookAt>
<longitude>-118.2939976544393</longitude>
<latitude>35.09853706796218</latitude>
<altitude>0</altitude>
<range>426.6482541354415</range>
<tilt>0</tilt>
<heading>-15.15488861860192</heading>
<altitudeMode>relativeToGround</altitudeMode>
</LookAt>
<styleUrl>#msn_parking_lot</styleUrl>
<Point>
<coordinates>-118.2940205815603,35.09824569407722,0</coordinates>
</Point>
</Placemark>
</Document>
</kml>
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