[pct-l] Sierra Conditions
David Dralle
daviddralle at gmail.com
Fri May 16 08:06:33 CDT 2008
Hello All,
My plan is to hike southbound from the oregon-cali border around mid august.
This will put me through the sierras in october and into the desert. I'm
worried about drought conditions on my hike, especially in the desert in the
fall. I've heard a few things about above average snow in the sierras this
winter making for some extra water in the streams. Does anyone know anything
about this? Thanks,
David
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> 1. N. Oregon Snow (Wayne Kraft)
> 2. Honey Bee WFU Fire (Amanda L Silvestri)
> 3. Re: Pirate attacks on Hiker Heaven (Hiker97)
> 4. Rattled (Deems)
> 5. Re: Honey Bee WFU Fire (Gary Wright)
> 6. Re: Unassisted PCT Record Attempt (Hiker97)
> 7. "Let's be careful out there." (William Frank)
> 8. PCT 2007 DVD (Tortoise)
> 9. Re: PCT 2007 DVD (Pea Hicks)
> 10. Re: PCT 2007 DVD (Tortoise)
> 11. Re: PCT 2007 DVD (Ryan Christensen)
> 12. Re: Honey Bee WFU Fire (Eric Lee (GAMES))
> 13. Re: Rattled (Reinhold Metzger)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:21:25 -0700
> From: "Wayne Kraft" <wayneskraft at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] N. Oregon Snow
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Go to the map at this link:
>
> http://www.or.nrcs.usda.gov/snow/maps/oregon_sitemap.html
>
> Click on the snotel sites along the spine of the Cascades, then click on
> the
> links for the current snow depth tables and the graphs to see how deep the
> snow is now and how it relates to the 30 year average. I suggest
> specifically from south to north:
>
> Cascade Summit (Highway 58 near Odell Lake)
> Irish Taylor
> McKenzie Pass
> Hogg Pass (near Santiam Pass)
> (note big gap through Jefferson Wilderness)
> Clackamas Lake
> Clear Lake
> Mt. Hood
> Blazed Alder
>
> On the graphs, note where the 30 year average SWE (snow water equivalent --
> light blue line) reaches zero. That would give you some idea when to
> expect
> bare ground at the snotel site. PLEASE NOTE: The snotel sites are not
> positioned at the highest elevations near the trail or necessarily where
> the
> snow will be the deepest.
>
> The snow is abnormally deep, the melt is abnormally late (although it has
> now obviously begun) and the farther north you go the more abnormal it
> becomes. In a normal year, I would expect troublesome snow in the Three
> Sisters Wilderness at the end of June. This year it should be loads-o-fun.
>
> Snow shoes maybe?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Honey Bee WFU Fire
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> So is anyone doing anything about this fire besides watching it?
>
> This brings up one of my pet peeves. Why can't the Air National Guard be
> trained and equipped to fight forest and wild fires? It seems to me that
> there are far too few firefighting helicopters and tanker aircraft available
> in the west. Living in Southern California, I watch every year as it takes
> sometimes weeks or even months to put a fire down, one tanker drop at a
> time, or maybe two or three if it is a relay big fire or near expensive
> property.
>
> Why not do saturation bombing strikes with water or fire retardant? Can't
> you just see it now? A squadron or even a whole wing of planes flying in
> formation or in waves, hitting a fire with enough red stuff to change the
> color of the forest. Hay, I can live with red trees for a while, better
> than burned trees.
>
> Helicopters could be rigged to carry large amounts of water and be
> equipped with water canons like on a fire truck. Imagine ten of those birds
> lined up firing in unison at the fire line, holding up the advancement of
> the fire, maybe even pushing it backwards while the bombers snuff it out.
> Then ground crews move in and turn the soil and get the last bits.
>
> Much acreage would be saved as well as the lives of many of our brave
> firefighters. Fires could be put out quickly and the cost, although high at
> first, as with any start-up project, would pay for itself in only a summer
> or two. Now that's something I wouldn't mind paying my taxes for.
>
> Amanda
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:20:55 -0700
> From: Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pirate attacks on Hiker Heaven
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Sir James writes: FYI : I just talked with Donna Saufley at Hiker Heaven
> and her Computer was attacked by Trail Pirates and did not survive. She
> should be back up in a day or 2. It's about 86 degrees at 3:00 PM today
> near Hiker Heaven and do to be in the mid 90's thru the weekend.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Switchback the Trail Pirate replies: Sorry to hear my buddy Lightning Rod
> got attacked, but it does bring up a good point. I have been thinking of
> hitting Hiker Heaven. I want to secretly leave the Kickoff L-Rod poster
> there. I am going drive out there in my new Toyota Prius trail support
> vehicle. So, far I REALLY like this car. Remember, I am like a shadow that
> appears and then disappears in the early morning hours. The only thing I
> have to worry about is all those anti-Pirate guard dogs around the house.
> They make a lot of noise.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:26:33 -0700
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Rattled
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I met his guy yesterday, reminds me of others I've met on the trail. Watch
> your step! Two more shots, click on Inbox link.
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/97122367/original
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:28:22 -0400
> From: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Honey Bee WFU Fire
> To: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> On May 15, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Amanda L Silvestri wrote:
>
> > So is anyone doing anything about this fire besides watching it?
>
> It was started by lightning and is burning in an unpopulated area.
> I believe the policy is to let Mother Nature have her way in
> this case.
>
> There has been a vibrant debate on the best approach to
> managing fires. The danger of putting out fires ASAP even
> when they don't endanger lives and/or property is that it
> creates the conditions for massive, hard-to-fight, super fires
> such as the ones that burned in Yellowstone in 1988.
>
> Radar
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:37:46 -0700
> From: Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Unassisted PCT Record Attempt
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Michael writes: I got a question for you hiker97,if you left hot pizza and
> cold beer, would
> that make you a "trail angel"? You might want to lure them in on Chihuahua
> Valley Road --- hikers just get sucked in and can't get out .
> --------------------------------------
> Switchback the Trail Pirate replies: That is good idea and shows you have
> the right attitude. I think I can sabotage the upcoming Unassisted PCT
> record attempt without being labeled a "Trail Angel" or anything good or
> positive. Trail Pirates are bad. The hot pizza/cold brews ambushes to make
> them "Assisted" will work. After a nice 45 mile day on the trail, they will
> pull into a well deserved campsite only to find six extra large boxes of hot
> pizza and a massive cooler of cold brews waiting. They cannot touch
> anything or they violate their scared oath to do the trail unassisted. The
> sabotage opportunities for me are boundless along the PCT 2600 plus miles.
> This actually might be too easy.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:39:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: William Frank <wfrank at pacbell.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] "Let's be careful out there."
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> This quote is from the television show Hill Street Blues. It was spoken at
> the beginning of each episode, after roll call. It was spoken by Sgt. Phil
> Esterhaus, played by Michael Conrad.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:17:19 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT 2007 DVD
> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hi All,
>
> I've been home from the KO for a couple of weeks now and burning copies of
> the PCT 2007 DVD as I read the list and surf the internet. Was waiting for
> word from Cloudspotter as to her distribution plans, but haven't heard
> anything.
>
> So: I have about 30 copies of the 2007 DVD to send free. Preference given
> to others who will burn additional copies to distribute. Send me your snail
> mail address in private message (off list, don't include the PCT-L) and
> I'll get them in the mail within a week or so.
>
> By well established tradition (and maybe for some legal issues), the DVDs
> are free to the recipients. If you want, instead of payback, payforward to
> others on the list or hiking the trails.
>
>
> Tortoise
>
> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:22:22 -0700
> From: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2007 DVD
> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> hi tortoise-
>
> do you know if there's a torrent of this up anywhere, and if so, where?
>
> thanks!
> girlscout
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:39:52 -0700
> From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2007 DVD
> To: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <482D1018.1020807 at charter.net>
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> had an email from Brick and he is working on getting a torrent up.
>
>
> Tortoise
>
> <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
>
>
> Pea Hicks wrote:
> > hi tortoise-
> >
> > do you know if there's a torrent of this up anywhere, and if so, where?
> >
> > thanks!
> > girlscout
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:40:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ryan Christensen <yosemiteryan at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2007 DVD
> To: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
> Cc: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Girlscout:
>
> The torrent will be up very, very soon. The disk
> arrived yesterday. I am sure a email will go out as
> soon as it is up.
>
> ProDeal
>
> --- Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com> wrote:
>
> > hi tortoise-
> >
> > do you know if there's a torrent of this up
> > anywhere, and if so, where?
> >
> > thanks!
> > girlscout
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:20:10 -0700
> From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Honey Bee WFU Fire
> To: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Amanda wrote:
> >
> So is anyone doing anything about this fire besides watching it?
> >
>
> As long as the fire isn't crowning (burning in the tops of trees) or doing
> devastating damage in some way, it's usually best to let it burn. Since
> it's only 370 acres after 9 days, I'd guess is a slow-moving ground fire,
> which is the kind that we actually *want* to burn through the forests every
> once in awhile. Most western forest ecologies actually depend on fire for
> long-term health, and low-intensity fires clear out fuel that would
> otherwise contribute to devastating infernos.
>
> It's interesting to note that the Apache Peak area was actually scheduled
> for prescribed burn at approximately the same time that the uncontrolled
> fire got started. The prescribed burn was canceled due to high winds, which
> of course is what caused the uncontrolled fire to be, well, uncontrolled.
>
> Eric
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:20:43 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rattled
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>,
> MONTE
> DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>
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> Reinhold Metzger wrote:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2008-May/017764.html
> >
> Wooaah.....that is a big one.
> Watch out for them in the desert.......they are out there.
> I have hiked the Grand Canyon extensively and encountered my share of
> them...luckily only close encounters.
> Threw my dish water on one of them without realizing it.....stepped on
> one in Shinumo Creek Canyon.
> I think he was crawling of the trail, when I stepped on his tail
> end....the front of his body was in a bush, so he could not whip around.
> Lucky me....he probably would have given me a double dose.
> We were 2-3 days from the trail head and it could have become life
> threatening.
> I know, I know......snake bites are only very rarely life threatening
> and all I'm doing is scare the hikers unnecessarily.
> But, that is only because 99% of snake bite victims get medical
> treatment within a few hours.
> It is a whole different ball game if you have to hike 2-3 days or wait
> 3-4 days or more for medical treatment.....the odds change substantially.
> It's not a scare tactic.......that is just the way it is.
> I know, ''I AM'' less concerned about the bears in the Sierra than
> about the snakes in the desert.
> Bears can usually be avoided with proper precaution.....it is much more
> difficult to protect against Rattle Snakes.
>
> HIKE ON.....but be on the alert for Rattlers in the desert.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
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