[pct-l] Rude behavior in Warner Springs

Fri May 2 16:18:25 CDT 2008

My view has been that the trail is the great purifier.  It can change
peoples' outlooks and their inner being profoundly.  It can be life
altering. I can always tell someone who has been on the trail a long time
versus a short time by what they talk about. 

Under this view, people who are still down in Section A are still being
tempered by the trail.  The trail hasn't had a chance to work its magic on
them yet. But it will.  It is the Great Equalizer.  All the labels and views
that they held onto before the trail will be challenged out there, as they
all become merely stinky, dirty, hiker trash -- then they will attain the
highest form of human enlightenment.

Give them time . . . if they're still asses when they get to Skykomish, then
there's probably no hope for them.

L-Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: montypct [mailto:montypct at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:31 PM
To: Donna Saufley; 'PCT-L'
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Rude behavior in Warner Springs

>>>We have to look at everyone as individuals, and not label entire groups
> based on the behavior of just a few. Those few should be dealt with by 
> those
> they offend, on the spot, and the consequences they receive for their
> infraction should be commensurate with the wrong doing.  We can only hope
> that the consequences don't permanently alter things for everyone else.
>
Me too exactly on this one.

>Maybe we have to look at everyone as individuals and not label the groups, 
>but others are not doing so.

So far this season I have seen mild cases of these "groupings", "prejudice",

and "bigotry" among a few interactions this week concerning Blacks, 
Mexicans, Rich People, so someone else obviously didn't have to look at 
everyone as individuals, and those are the ones to watch out for.  Those who

don't know and the understand individuals in the group are quick to group 
hikers together as all the same and just like Bad News sells best, place the

action of 1/400th of the hiker population (this means one hiker) on the 
grouping as the label for all PCT thru-hikers.

Kind of like people judged the PCT-L by that weirdo troll from last year, 
and the PCT-L has a lot more members than the Class of 2008.

So it sounds like we cant do a thing, just a hope that people know what we 
are probably in for this year befor it gets to them and they are well 
grounded and prepared to do as you suggest, however I prefer different 
responses for the repeat offenders that involve putting the hot rock in the 
offenders pocket and keeping it there.

Repeat offenders are the ones doing the damage.
I feel obligated to pass on the names and actions of repeat offenders, 
especially when asked, to friends that might also get hurt by someone not 
able to control their Spiritual Bowels in public.

It is the right of every good person to simply say "Be Nice or Be Gone".
It is a loving action to help someone who needs to say that, when asked.

So much to a perfect world.  2008 is already in the hole in a couple places 
I know.

"Those few should be dealt with by those
> they offend, on the spot, and the consequences they receive for their
> infraction should be commensurate with the wrong doing"

Warner Springs Monty
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
To: "'montypct'" <montypct at gmail.com>; "'PCT-L'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Rude behavior in Warner Springs

> Good people have been trying to get bad people to behave better for
> centuries, and it hasn't solved the problem yet, so I don't think there's
> much we can do to change them on the PCT.
>
> I think we have to accept that in any large group of people, you are going
> to have a spectrum of attitudes and personalities, including those we find
> distasteful and unacceptable. There is no etiquette police on the trail, 
> and
> no one will pull their ticket and send them home if they misbehave.  They
> may get kicked out of businesses and hostel homes, and they might get in
> trouble with law enforcement, but there is absolutely no means to keep 
> them
> off the trail due to the lack of enforcement out there.
>
> We have to look at everyone as individuals, and not label entire groups
> based on the behavior of just a few. Those few should be dealt with by 
> those
> they offend, on the spot, and the consequences they receive for their
> infraction should be commensurate with the wrong doing.  We can only hope
> that the consequences don't permanently alter things for everyone else.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of montypct
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:16 AM
> To: PCT-L
> Subject: [pct-l] Rude behavior in Warner Springs
>
> Because of a few previous responses to a trail angel's previous post a 
> while
> back I will leave out what specifics I have heard.
>
> I have received these three questions to my previous post.
>
>>What prompted this question?
>
>>Why you ask?
>
>>Any examples of what you're hearing?
>
>
>
>
>
> All verbal not nice behavior in Warner Springs.
>
>
>
> One in the mini-mart
>
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> One in the post office lobby toward another hiker
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>
> FOUR in the post office to Denise and her new clerk.
>
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>
> ALSO Closer to the border I heard a lot of talk about a couple incidents 
> of
> bad behavior including one incident involving Rangers.  We need these
> Rangers.
>
>
>
> ALSO we have already had an incident in Section E
>
>
>
> Here, I am again leaving out lots of details so as not to cross the lines
> that friends here on the list have suggested.
>
>
>
> I would like to hear from others (on or off list) what they might know.  A
> couple of years ago we had some bad behavior work it's way ALL the way up
> the trail.  There was a lot of bad PR for hikers put out, and some still 
> has
> not been healed.
>
>
>
> Solutions???
>
>
>
> Monty
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>
> A few vague "I saw something similar" reported hikers zeroing in Warner
> Springs.
>
> Both to locals and to hikers.
>
> Warner Springs Monty
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