[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3
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10. June thru-hike
I want to wish you luck with the Thru-hike in June. Thats going to be a hike. You'll make it.
Talk to you guys later
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Alternative routes for those of us on the trail right
now... (Halfmile)
2. Another Reinhold question--a JMT question (Jo Pegrum Hazelett)
3. Re: PCT through Agnew Meadows (Brick Robbins)
4. Re: PCT through Agnew Meadows (Reinhold Metzger)
5. Re: Public Announcement (hiker97 at aol.com)
6. Re: Another Reinhold question--a JMT question (Reinhold Metzger)
7. Apache fire closure update (AsABat)
8. Re: Public Announcement (RJ Lewis)
9. Re: [PCT2008] Apache fire closure update (Halfmile)
10. June thru-hike (paulmccready000 at aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:07:03 -0700
From: Halfmile <halfmile at pctmap.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Alternative routes for those of us on the trail
right now...
To: "Arno Holschuh" <affenmensch at hotmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Arno,
I don't know the non - PCT trails well enough to suggest a alternate
route, but I did make a quick downloadable TOPO! map of the area west
of the PCT from Hwy 74 up to Cabazon.
You can download the map here:
http://www.pctmap.net/pctdownloads/sanjac_detour_map.zip
-Halfmile
ps - if anyone has any specific suggestions, or ways to improve this
map, let me know and I can update the map tonight.
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Arno Holschuh <affenmensch at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Right now the most pressing question as I sit at Warner Springs is: Are there
alternate walking routes around this fire which local hikers know about? I am
not at all averse to Jeep trails, fire roads, etc etc, but am no fan of busy
highway odesseys. Did I spell that right? Anyway. Please advise if able. Also if
digital maps are available, this would be a great boon. I promise to spread info
among ohter hikers here.
>
> Excelsior,
> Arno
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:24:40 -0700
From: "Jo Pegrum Hazelett" <joph at piedmontbsa.org>
Subject: [pct-l] Another Reinhold question--a JMT question
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>, <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
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Reinhold or ?????
After a weekend hike in the Ventana Wilderness requiring at least 50
river/creek crossings, I've been thinking about my scheduled JMT hike this
year-- specifically footwear for crossing creeks. Would you advise just
tramping through water in my regular trail running shoes or do you recommend
taking something to change into? I don't mind wet feet but I'm wondering
whether with the frigid temperatures of the water if I'd be more comfortable
changing out of my walking shoes for stream crossings? Also, since my trip
is early in the season (begins June30) --do your shoes even dry out? I've
always gone in August before and that's quite a different story.
Any insights would be appreciated!
Thanks
Jo
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:29:43 -0700
From: "Brick Robbins" <brick at fastpack.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT through Agnew Meadows
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I believe that the high trail was chosen for the PCT becuase it is
snow free much earlier in the year than the JMT. Later in the season
it is much warmer and more exposed.
I've hiked both. If "purity" and snow are not issues, I'd personally
take the JMT.
In that same area, I'd take the trail through Devils Postpile rather
than the official route because the official route was chosen to keep
the horse traffic out of the monument, and it is basically an over
used, hoof beaten. ankle deep dust bowl covered in horse shit. Ask me
how I really feel about it.
If you stay in the Red's Meadow Campground, it is easier to access the
trail through the Postpile too, instead of hiking back to the store
and through the stables.
HYOH
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Phil Baily <pbaily at webuniverse.net> wrote:
> I agree, the views from the High Trail are wonderful! As I recall,
> the southern part of the JMT section you skip is very dusty. You do
> get to Shadow Lake which is very pretty. Otherwise you don't really
> see much that is that pretty. As I recall the two routes join at or
> near Thousand Island Lake which is also worth seeing. I think the
> High Trail is the more scenic.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 10:53:05 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT through Agnew Meadows
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Reinhold Metzger wrote:
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/pipermail/pct-l/2008-May/017396.html
>
''Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder''
I know the PCT High Trail is very scenic, but so is the JMT.
I have hiked that section of the JMT a minimum of 12 times and consider
the section between Island Pass & Garnet Lake one of the most scenic on
the JMT and the Sierra.
Seeing Banner, Ritter and the Minarets in the distance is without a
doubt a beautiful sight.
However, hiking along the shores of Garnet & Thousand Island Lakes, with
Banner, Ritter and the Minarets towering overhead, is nothing short of
spectacular.
I would choose the JMT route every time.
But, then again, ''Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder'' and since the
JMT is ''My Baby'' I, without a doubt, have a biased opinion.
With this my friends, I will say......''fare well''.....''so
long''.....''Auf Wiedersehen''.....''good by''.......it has been nice
knowing you all and hope to see you allon the trail someday.
JMT Reinhold
Your hopelessly in love with the ''JMT'' trail companion.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:06:08 -0400
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Public Announcement
To: karmagurl at bektel.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
Cc: zoomersdelivers at yahoo.com, lizmares at cox.net,
John.Hannah at wgint.com, carolwbruno at yahoo.com
Message-ID: <8CA79CD2907CACD-1730-1845 at webmail-nf10.sim.aol.com>
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RJ writes: Yo Switchback...Did ya know, if you stick your hand out the window of
a Prius, it will turn????? *snicker*?
-----------------------------------------------------------
Switchback replies:? Yes, it is basically a small under powered car.? But that
is why it gets such good gas mileage.? I am hoping that the bigger 16 wheels
will help along with high quality sheep skin seat covers.? I also want to get
the windows tinted.? May be I should get some PCT graphics painted on it too.? I
can get that done at the trike shop.?
Really good painting over there.? I wonder what I should get done?? What really
neat graphic would go along with a trail and pirate theme?? I could get a
graphic done of me sacking a trailtown with a kicking hiker babe thrown over my
shoulder.? That would be super cool and appropriate.? But that probably does not
go along with the good trail manners theme this year on the trail.? Rats!?
Double rats!? I will have to think about this.? I need something neat that goes
along with?my Trail Angel work along the PCT in this car.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:32:54 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Another Reinhold question--a JMT question
To: joph at piedmontbsa.org
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <481A0CD6.3020409 at cox.net>
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Joe,
I don't like to hike in wet shoes, so I always take them off if I can't
find a log to cross or skip hop across.
Besides, you can usually find a log or skip hop across most creeks on
the JMT.
Many hikers use sandals or crocks for river crossings.
If you drain all the water out of your shoes and put on dry socks, the
shoes should dry out in a while....it gets quiet warm in July on the
JMT, but it can also get quit cold.
Mosquitoes will be a major problem this early in the season.
JMT Reinhold
Jo Pegrum Hazelett wrote:
> Reinhold or ?????
>
> After a weekend hike in the Ventana Wilderness requiring at least 50
> river/creek crossings, I've been thinking about my scheduled JMT hike this
> year-- specifically footwear for crossing creeks. Would you advise just
> tramping through water in my regular trail running shoes or do you recommend
> taking something to change into? I don't mind wet feet but I'm wondering
> whether with the frigid temperatures of the water if I'd be more comfortable
> changing out of my walking shoes for stream crossings? Also, since my trip
> is early in the season (begins June30) --do your shoes even dry out? I've
> always gone in August before and that's quite a different story.
> Any insights would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks
> Jo
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:44:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "AsABat" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
Subject: [pct-l] Apache fire closure update
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, pct2008 at yahoogroups.com,
pct08ti at yahoogroups.com
Message-ID: <41223.127.0.0.1.1209671068.squirrel at localhost>
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While it appears a little progress has been made on the fire on Apache
Peak (Section B), the closure now extends from Highway 74 at least as far
north as the wilderness boundary on Fuller Ridge. Therefore, it appears a
detour by highway and Black Mtn Rd to the Fuller Ridge Trailhead is
required.
Official posting: The San Jacinto Wilderness and Mt. San Jacinto State
Park are closed until further notice. The Devil's Slide, Spitler Peak,
Southridge, Fobes Ranch, and Cedar Springs trails and a section of the
Pacific Crest Trail [nobo from Hwy 74] are closed until further notice.
Full containment predicted for May 7, 2008.
Info sources:
www.inciweb.org/incident/1236
http://mtsanjacinto.info/viewforum.php?f=1
www.mydesert.com
www.towncrier.com
Halfmile's topo maps
www.pctmap.net/pctdownloads/sanjac_detour_map.zip
San Bernadino NF maps
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/forestvisitormaps/sanbernardino/
AsABat
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 17:00:40 -0500
From: RJ Lewis <karmagurl at bektel.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Public Announcement
To: hiker97 at aol.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
Message-ID: <481A3D88.8010400 at bektel.com>
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Trail manners in a Trail Pirate? Who'da Thunk? I'm gonna have to think
long and hard about this one...........ok, I've thunk about
it........hahahahahahhahaha..I like your raping and pillaging and
hauling off the babes of the trail idea better........hauling butt up
the trail on a Hawg..now THAT's a Trail Pirate!!!
RJ
hiker97 at aol.com wrote:
> RJ writes: Yo Switchback...Did ya know, if you stick your hand out the
> window of a Prius, it will turn????? *snicker*
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: Yes, it is basically a small under powered car.
> But that is why it gets such good gas mileage. I am hoping that the
> bigger 16 wheels will help along with high quality sheep skin seat
> covers. I also want to get the windows tinted. May be I should get
> some PCT graphics painted on it too. I can get that done at the trike
> shop.
>
> Really good painting over there. I wonder what I should get done?
> What really neat graphic would go along with a trail and pirate
> theme? I could get a graphic done of me sacking a trailtown with a
> kicking hiker babe thrown over my shoulder. That would be super cool
> and appropriate. But that probably does not go along with the good
> trail manners theme this year on the trail. Rats! Double rats! I
> will have to think about this. I need something neat that goes along
> with my Trail Angel work along the PCT in this car.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:01:52 -0700
From: Halfmile <halfmile at pctmap.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] [PCT2008] Apache fire closure update
To: PCT2008 at yahoogroups.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, pct08ti at yahoogroups.com
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<324d57760805011501u7035521dn60d10b489e921c9 at mail.gmail.com>
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I updated my map this afternoon to include an overview map, and I
reduced the scale so it prints on few pages. The URL remains
unchanged.
-Halfmile
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> While it appears a little progress has been made on the fire on Apache
> Peak (Section B), the closure now extends from Highway 74 at least as far
> north as the wilderness boundary on Fuller Ridge. Therefore, it appears a
> detour by highway and Black Mtn Rd to the Fuller Ridge Trailhead is
> required.
>
> Official posting: The San Jacinto Wilderness and Mt. San Jacinto State
> Park are closed until further notice. The Devil's Slide, Spitler Peak,
> Southridge, Fobes Ranch, and Cedar Springs trails and a section of the
> Pacific Crest Trail [nobo from Hwy 74] are closed until further notice.
> Full containment predicted for May 7, 2008.
>
> Info sources:
> www.inciweb.org/incident/1236
> http://mtsanjacinto.info/viewforum.php?f=1
> www.mydesert.com
> www.towncrier.com
>
> Halfmile's topo maps
> www.pctmap.net/pctdownloads/sanjac_detour_map.zip
>
> San Bernadino NF maps
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/forestvisitormaps/sanbernardino/
>
> AsABat
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 18:54:13 -0400
From: paulmccready000 at aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] June thru-hike
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I've been planning to thru-hike the PCT for 6 months now, and the earliest I can
get out to Campo is around June 1st.? I've read that the earliest time for
southbound thru-hikes would be?July to avoid the deep snows, so that is out of
the question.? Is June 1st too late to start a northbound thru-hike considering
the hot weather and shortage of water??
Thanks,
Paul McCready
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