[pct-l] Holcomb Creek crossing Detour

[AsABat]

All I know is what's on the San Bernardino NF website. (And I do know
that some USFS websites don't get updated as often as they should,
although San Berdoo seems better than most.) 

They have a closure map at
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sanbernardino/documents/butler_closure_map111307
.pdf . It is interesting that this map says that the PCT detour is
Polique Canyon Road (2N09) to Holcomb Valley Road (3N16), but that the
area containing the PCT from Polique Canyon to Little Bear Trail Camp
has "all roads closed to motor vehicles and mtn bikes", saying nothing
about hikers. Therefore, might it be possible to follow the PCT to
Little Bear Trail Camp (or the site of it, since it burnt), then follow
closed Road 3N14 to 3N16 and back to the trail? If permissible, this
would have the advantage of a shorter road walk plus water from the
creek at Little Bear.

I'll just stay tuned to see what others learn.

AsABat


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shutterbug steiner [mailto:shutterbugg313 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 7:19 PM
> To: Will M; pct
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Holcomb Creek crossing Detour
> 
> Since the trail is closed in that area and no one has officially
> designated the reroute you will get no clear answers..  As for water
--
> I'd not be concerned with H20 middle May.  We have had a nice winter
and
> snow will still be melting, Holcomb creek will be roaring, and springs
> will be flowing.  I'd be more concerned with erosion and route
finding.  I
> doubt whether the Trail Gorillas or the Forest Service will be about
to
> get in to even evaluate the situation until later this spring.
> 
>   Sorry for the ambigquity - I live near there and the word presently
is
> that things are still closed.
> 
>   Go to the source and Call
>   Big Bear Ranger Station
> 41397 North Shore Drive, Highway 38
> P.O. Box 290
> Fawnskin, CA 92333
> (909) 382-2790 (voice)
> (909) 866-3233 (TTY)
> 
> 
> Will M <jalan04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>   Sorry, I'm a little confused. Do you have the mile markers for this
> detour. My nearest calculation has a 20 mile section of trail being
> rerouted to 30 miles for a net gain of 10 miles. I know I'm off but
I'm
> not
> sure where.
> 
> What's the water situation in that 30 mile stretch? I'm planning to do
a
> section at the beginning of May so I'm trying to figure out the
logistics.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 3/18/08, Shutterbug steiner wrote:
> >
> > Actually it this area is officially still closed. They will be
working
> on
> > the detour as soon as the snow melts which hopefully will be before
the
> Thru
> > hiking season.
> >
> > Here is the C/P from the SBNF website.
> >
> > Pacific Crest Trail - Big Bear Area- The PCT will remain closed from
the
> > 3N16/Holcomb Creek crossing on the west side (approx. 2 miles
northeast
> of
> > Crab Flats), to 2N09 (Polique Canyon Rd.) . Little Bear Springs
trail
> camp
> > is closed to public use, due to Butler 2 Fire.* *A PCT trail reroute
is
> > being developed.
> >
> > There is a myriad of dirt roads between Polique Canyon and Crab
Flats
> but
> > my guess of reroute would be most likely be to the south
> > 2N09
> > 2n71
> > 3n12
> > 3n14
> > 3n93
> >
> > or to the north
> > 2n09
> > 3n16
> > 3n08
> > 3n14
> > 3n97
> > 3n16
> >
> > Both of these reroutes would be through the burn area and would be
> > adding 20 or 30 miles with the middles getting near the PCT near
Little
> Bear
> > Springs. Hopefully they will have the PCT open by mid May when the
> thruers
> > get here.
> >
> > If I was a betting man I'd guess they's choose the Southern Route to
> keep
> > the hikers closer to civilization but since I am not a betting man
I'd
> say
> > there will be zero enforcement and most will stay on the PCT.
> >
> > SB