[pct-l] DEAD HORSES

[Will Hiltz]

Rienhold-

With respect, proclaiming this discussion as "beating a dead horse" does not
make it so.  Indeed, being dismissive of those who would raise serious
concerns does nothing to advance a civil discussion.  There are legitimate
issues being pondered here and to send repeated emails dismissing those
issues as mere grumbling does not contribute to productive discourse.  For
my part, speed has never factored in my interest in the issue of more
effectively managing hikers traveling through (or more ideally NOT traveling
through) closed areas.  This is of interest to folks who hike every year as
closures happen every year.  What was it my mother always said... if you
don't have anything nice to say....  Well, you know the rest.


YITOOD,

Easy

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Reinhold Metzger
<reinholdmetzger at cox.net>wrote:

> Yes Joanne,
> I sympathize with you....All this grumbling and criticizing Scott & Joe, by
> a few individuals,
> has been upsetting to me also.
> Seems like every time someone like Scott & Joe goes on a speed or record
> hike a few self
> appointed ''Judges & Critics'' of proper hiking standards, who can't stand
> the thought of speed
> hikers zooming by them, feel compelled to criticize the speed hikers.
> This year was no exception.
> Other hikers have hiked through trail closures, but only Scott & Joe were
> singled out for
> criticism because speed hiking is frowned upon by those individuals.
> Ohh sure, they will proclaim ''I have nothing against speed hiking,'' but
> then grumble between
> their teeth.....Could sour grapes have something to do with it?
>
> Yes Joanne, I recommend taking a hike to all my friends....it's great
> medicine....has a calming
> effect on people.
>
> I don't know why this is so upsetting to you, as a fellow hiker you should
> know that hiking is
> good for you and recommending it to your friends should not be criticized.
>
> Say Joanne, I am contemplating on going on another JMT speed hike.
> Would you like to come along?....It might calm you down.
>
> BTW...The UL revolution and speed hiking are here to stay, so you might as
> well get used to it.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Joanne writes:
> Actually, I have been finding all this Joe and Scott thing from you
> Rheinhold to a little over the top.
>
> When I posted about Monstro ( Adam ), you were all in a panic that somebody
> that did not announce his intentions was somehow possibly going to upstage
> your buddies.
>
> I admire speed and endurance, I do not admire the constant trumpeting of
> their attempt that has occurred over the previous months.
>
> All the publicity and the trumpeting and the very public announcements of
> this attempt has put it in the public forum, and as such is open to
> criticism.  To tell detractors to "take a hike" does Scott and Joe a
> disservice.
>
> Let them speak for themselves, rather than trying to share the spotlight
> with them.  Maybe you should be out hiking yourself.  Have you ever done a
> thruhike??
>
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reinhold Metzger" <reinholdmetzger at cox.net <
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net <
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:27 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Scott & Joe update
>
>
> >/ Tortoise,
> />/ Compadre, good buddy, my friend....I'm proud of you....''YOU HAVE SEEN
> THE
> />/ LIGHT''....you are
> />/ finally accepting that it is ''THEIR'' hike and nobody else's hike.
> />/ As such it is also nobody's business how they hike their hike or to
> />/ criticize their hike.
> />/ And that my friend, has been the core of this argument from the
> beginning.
> />/
> />/ Take my advice Tortoise....the horse is dead....stop beating it.
> />/
> />/ Better yet, take a hike and I promise you, I will not criticize your
> hike
> />/ no matter how much I
> />/ disagree with your hiking style.
> />/ After all, it is your hike and it is not up to me to be a self
> appointed
> />/ judge or critic of
> />/ your hike.
> />/
> />/ Reinhold
> />/
> />/ --------------------------------------
> />/
> />/ why are you going ballistic?
> />/ It is Joe & Scott's hike, not yours.
> />/ It is their record not yours.
> />/
> />/ and if you can't stand that all of us don't agree with you that is your
> />/ problem.
> />/
> />/ so stop beating this "dead horse" and stop digging up old "dead
> horses".
> />/ You too Jeff.
> />/
> />/
> />/ And if Joe & Scott's record is such a big deal, why aren't/weren't you
> />/ there for a ceremony at the finish line?
> />/
> />/
> />/ Tortoise
> />/
> />/ <> He who finishes last, wins! <>
> />/
> />/
> />/
> />/ Reinhold Metzger wrote:
> />>// That's right Jeff,
> />/ />/ Tortoise will get that record for sure....he is really good at
> beating
> />/ />/ dead horses....he has lot's of experience.
> />/ />/ He is a master at it.
> />/ />/
> />/ />/ JMT Reinhold
> />/ />/ ----------------------------------------
> />/ />/ Jeff wrote:
> />/ />/ jeff.singewald at comcast.net
> />/ <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l> wrote
> />/ />/ Beating a dead horse?  I'm in if there is a record to be attempted
> on
> />/ />/ this one!  This attempt may even be appropriate for the tortoise(s)
> we
> />/ />/ have on the list.
> />/ />>/
> />/ />>/
> />/ />>/     -------------- Original message --------------
> />/ />>/     From: "Joseph Anderson" <joedaddy44 at gmail.com
> />/ <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>>
> />/ />>/
> />/ />>/     > Does "Beating a dead horse" mean anything to anyone?
> /
>
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