[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 4, Issue 89
William A. Chavez
wctrekker at dslextreme.com
Thu Apr 17 19:11:50 CDT 2008
Hikertown guests
Yikes. It's helpful to hear the other (hikertown) side
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> 1. Re: Love your nalgene bottle, think again (Donna Saufley)
> 2. Bisphenol A (Travis Beals)
> 3. Hikertown guests of 2008 (bob mayon)
> 4. Re: love your nalgene bottle (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara
> Hikes)
> 5. Re: Hikertown guests of 2008 (Scott Bryce)
> 6. Re: Hikertown guests of 2008 (Len Glassner)
> 7. Bisphenol A (Travis Beals)
> 8. Re: Hikertown guests of 2008 (Bob Bankhead)
> 9. Re: Hikertown guests of 2008 (Eric Lee (GAMES))
> 10. Re: Hikertown guests of 2008 (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 11. Re: Hikertown guests of 2008 (Andrea Dinsmore)
> 12. Re: Hikertown guests of 2008 (Scott Bryce)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:04:48 -0800
> From: "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Love your nalgene bottle, think again
> To: "'Will Hiltz'" <will.hiltz at gmail.com>, "'David Stewart'"
> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Excellent point. What about all those plastic water bottles in
> caches that
> can get hot, even if not directly in the sun? Often you have no
> idea how
> long the water has been sitting in those containers.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-
> bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Will Hiltz
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:56 AM
> To: David Stewart
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Love your nalgene bottle, think again
>
> I've heard that the toxin (at least in the case of nalgenes) will
> only leach
> into your water if you leave the H2O in the bottle for an extended
> period of
> time at somewhat high temperature (>100 F). If this is true, most
> thru
> hikers should be OK, as we usually drink water fast enough to
> prevent this
> from happening. At least, thats what I told myself last summer.
> FWIW.
>
>
> YITOOD,
>
> Easy
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:06 AM, David Stewart <
> davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> that goes for gatorade bottles as well....in fact, an engineer
>> friend of
>> mine told me about how gatorade bottles are even worse than nalgene,
>> because
>> they are not meant to be re-filled....
>>
>> apparently, each time you re-fill, the water sucks even more
>> toxins and
>> poison out of the plastic.....and then you drink the toxin filled
>> water.
>>
>> kinda gross. so yeah....glass bottles?
>>
>> sorry to be vague and foreboding, but my friend knows his stuff
>> and I was
>> trying to think of alternatives....?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:07:09 -0700
> From: Travis Beals <trbeals at berkeley.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bisphenol A
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Just a quick note--Gatorade bottles are Polyethylene Terephthalate
> (PET) plastic, and do not contain Bisphenol A. That's not to say
> they're necessarily safe, but it's a different issue. The wikipedia
> entry on Bisphenol A is quite good:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A
>
> As for the conditions under which polycarbonate plastics (e.g., clear
> Nalgene bottles) leach BPA, it's true that higher temperature water
> increases the risk, and should probably be avoided. Since the primary
> advantage of polycarbonate water bottles over Gatorade bottles is
> their ability to hold boiling water, and they have the disadvantage of
> being heavier, I no longer see any reason to pick polycarbonate over
> Gatorade-type bottles.
>
> -Travis
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:19:23 -0700
> From: "bob mayon" <bobmayon at verizon.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hikertown guests of 2008
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Please read my blog at:
> www.hikertown.com
> How not to act when you're
> a guest at HikerTown.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:26:50 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] love your nalgene bottle
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>> Check out this website http://www.plasticsmythbuster.org/
>> reusing.asp<http://www.plasticsmythbuster.org/reusing.asp> . I got
>> the site from the american cancer society, but who knows what to
>> believe anymore.
>
> By all means believe the American Chemical Council over any other
> source. The ACC, being in it for the money, wouldn't be as biased as
> other groups who are interested in preserving health and the
> environment.
>
> Not much we can do about it in the next couple of weeks seeing as how
> everything is made of plastic, though. Slurp it up. At least I'm past
> my childbearing years.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:34:32 -0600
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikertown guests of 2008
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> bob mayon wrote:
>> Please read my blog at: www.hikertown.com How not to act when you're
>> a guest at HikerTown.
>
>
> I put together a PCT hiker's glossary for my friends. One entry reads:
>
> ---
>
> Trail Magic
> Unexpected generosity from a non-hiker. One unfortunate trend in
> recent
> years is that trail magic is becoming so common that some hikers now
> expect it, and become rude when it isn't offered.
>
> ---
>
> How true.
>
> On behalf of PCT hopefuls everywhere, let me offer my sincerest
> apology!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:51:46 -0700
> From: "Len Glassner" <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikertown guests of 2008
> To: "bob mayon" <bobmayon at verizon.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <1862be60804171251y1d6d4916g52ae0ac543b66ee5 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 'Cameling up' at water caches, throwing food around the desert, now
> this.
>
> I hope she likes hiking 2650 miles alone.
>
> On 4/17/08, bob mayon <bobmayon at verizon.net> wrote:
>> How not to act when you're
>> a guest at HikerTown.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:07:09 -0700
> From: Travis Beals <trbeals at berkeley.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bisphenol A
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <C4B3C4B5-5433-48AF-968F-C2D1CA94229E at berkeley.edu>
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>
> Just a quick note--Gatorade bottles are Polyethylene Terephthalate
> (PET) plastic, and do not contain Bisphenol A. That's not to say
> they're necessarily safe, but it's a different issue. The wikipedia
> entry on Bisphenol A is quite good:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A
>
> As for the conditions under which polycarbonate plastics (e.g., clear
> Nalgene bottles) leach BPA, it's true that higher temperature water
> increases the risk, and should probably be avoided. Since the primary
> advantage of polycarbonate water bottles over Gatorade bottles is
> their ability to hold boiling water, and they have the disadvantage of
> being heavier, I no longer see any reason to pick polycarbonate over
> Gatorade-type bottles.
>
> -Travis
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:06:06 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikertown guests of 2008
> To: "Len Glassner" <len5742 at gmail.com>, "bob mayon"
> <bobmayon at verizon.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <00e301c8a0c6$80b39280$6400a8c0 at BOB>
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>
> I do hope she's not expecting a warm welcome at other Trail Angel
> locations.
>
> She sounds like one very frustrated, angry woman. Hopefully, she
> was just having a bad day, or a string of them. Unless she changes
> her attitude, it's unlikely she'll make it all the way and even if
> she does, she won't enjoy it.
>
> Wandering Bob
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:06:33 -0700
> From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee at microsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikertown guests of 2008
> To: bob mayon <bobmayon at verizon.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Bob wrote:
>>
> Please read my blog at:
> www.hikertown.com
> How not to act when you're
> a guest at HikerTown.
>>
>
> The subject of Bob's blog is Wheeew, the same thru-hiker who was
> called out here on Tuesday for flinging extra food into the bushes
> along the trail (as she described at http://www.trailjournals.com/
> entry.cfm?id=224476). She wrote about her HikerTown stay at http://
> www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=225034.
>
> I'm generally not a fan of discussing people when they're not
> around to defend themselves, so I'm not sure how best to articulate
> what I'm thinking here. I guess I'll just observe that a self-
> absorbed attitude is a very corrosive thing and it's something that
> long-distance hikers have to guard against. Unfortunately, it's an
> all-too-common problem.
>
> It's all too easy to get caught up in the epic proportions of what
> you're trying to do and to start thinking that the entire world
> must be admiring you, rooting for you, and exists only to help
> you. It crops up in how people treat water caches, how they treat
> trail angels, how they treat town facilities, and how they treat
> the trail itself.
>
> If you start becoming self-absorbed, the best thing to do is to
> take a step back and remind yourself that you're not the center of
> the universe after all. Don't expect any outside help, and be
> sincerely thankful for any little help that's offered. You didn't
> get everything that you wanted? Hey, you're lucky you got any
> assistance at all. That person didn't owe you anything and
> whatever you got was an undeserved gift.
>
> In other words, it's all about humility and graciousness.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:14:00 -0700
> From: "Andrea Dinsmore" <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikertown guests of 2008
> To: "bob mayon" <bobmayon at verizon.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <f2a521470804171314p4cd61d6du30b61a4b20840de8 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> OUCH..........I know where you're coming from. A couple years ago
> we had
> more than our fair share of rude, demanding, self righteous, dishonest
> hikers. We almost closed our doors to future hikers. After I got
> over being
> pissed off at the few, I had to remind myself that it's not the
> over all
> norm for the majority of hikers. It's a shame that there's a few
> each season
> who thing their &hit don't stink. What would Wheeeeew have done if you
> weren't home when she came by. I still think there should be a
> class at KO
> that let's the hikers understand that there's a respectable way to
> treat
> those you deal with on the trail. The Trail Angels and businesses
> that the
> hikers interact with don't have to be here for you. The Trail
> Angels can
> close their doors and the businesses can not accept your resupply
> boxes and
> the motels don't have to deal with you. Just because you *CHOOSE*
> to hike
> the PCT doesn't mean you are any better than anyone else. Don't
> burn the
> bridges for future hikers by being rude and disrespectful. And if
> anyone
> doesn't like my attitude........go stay at the motel when you get to
> Skykomish.
>
> And for you hikers who are going to going to "do their own thing"
> anyway,
> the grapevine works faster than you can hike.
>
> PCT MOM
> Skykomish Trail Angel
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:19 PM, bob mayon <bobmayon at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Please read my blog at:
>> www.hikertown.com
>> How not to act when you're
>> a guest at HikerTown.
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:28:19 -0700
> From: "Andrea Dinsmore" <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikertown guests of 2008
> To: "bob mayon" <bobmayon at verizon.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> This also brings up another point............leave no trace ????
>
> What's with the muffin frizbees ???? Is tossing garbage acceptable
> on the
> trail ??
>
> PCT MOM
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:28:31 -0600
> From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikertown guests of 2008
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4807B2EF.80302 at scottbryce.com>
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> Andrea Dinsmore wrote:
>> I still think there should be a class at KO that let's the hikers
>> understand that there's a respectable way to treat those you deal
>> with on the trail.
>
> If they didn't learn it from their mommies and daddies when they were
> young, they won't learn it at the kickoff.
>
>
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