[pct-l] telencephalon excuse

Bill Batchelor billbatch at cox.net
Sun Apr 22 20:35:59 CDT 2007 

Sorry I did not take time to spell check that.  I have not typed over a
hundred words a minute in a very long time.  I need to get on the trail! 

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Bill Batchelor
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:31 PM
To: jeff.singewald at comcast.net; 'ed faubert'; 'Jon Danniken'
Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] telencephalon excuse

Okay, for Jeff - you are correct.  There are enough asses to fly a hot air
balloon over the trail.

For Jon.  I merely like to consider that perhaps the answers are not as
simple as you make them.  That maybe, and I mean this in the most forgiving
sense, maybe there are more creative solutions than you have to offer  Just
maybe, you are not the end all to the intellectual process.  JUST MAYBE,
there are other ideas beyond YOURS worth considering.  You may call me a
hippy, an ignorant man, a visionary without vision.  However I do believe,
in the deepest part of my being, that we are endowed with a creative insight
that is part of the creative essence itself.  I believe that our intuition,
our intellect, our creative process is not a byproduct of our brain.  I
believe that our brain is merely an instrument that is modestly efficient in
translating the intelligence that is in the universe and available.  I know
this seems way off track, but stick with me here.   I an inclined to be
disappointed - even hostile  at times - at any notion that says "the answer
is obvious, the answer is mine, and I deliver it".  This type of approach
shuts down any possibility of a more creative idea.  I would go a step
further and say that in my take on history, when I look at the great leaps
of man, I can find without exception, that the great leaps of our ideas came
when creative people or person dared to say out loud that there may be
another way.  When someone stood against the "obvious" and said either
meekly or shouting, " I think there might be another answer".  For those
moments in my evolutionary heritage, I am grateful.

You may be right, it might be that over population is the ONLY answer and
the ONLY problem and the ONLY way.  You may have truly exercised all the
intelligent power that is available to mankind on the subject and your
conclusions may be irrevocable!   However, I think you do a GREAT disservice
- perhaps treason on humanity itself - to proclaim that others who try to
consider another idea are dead-fast-wrong!   I think THAT type of thinking
is the greatest leach possible on our evolution!  Yes, many ideas may turn
out to be incorrect.  Many ideas may tumble-up empty on distant shores, but
it is by this process and this process alone that we evolve.  The process of
open discourse is our salvation, our way forward.  Therefore I say with
every molecule in my body that YOU are NOT to be the FINAL word.  I declare
we let the creative process unfold and observe what wonders it might
unleash! And in the end perhaps, and I mean by grand miracle, we may find
that your ideas were NOT the complete, absolute and totale answer, and there
were other considerations worth having.

This is what I ask Jon.  Allow other ideas to exist as a possibility to your
own.  Be a promoter of our evolution by trusting the process.  Consider the
the idea.  And I am serious her Jon.  For a moment take a deep breath and
consider this idea.  Is it possible that you are not the end point on every
thought.  Is it possible that someone may consider an idea that is
contradictory to your current ending point that has validity.  Is it
possible at all? Am I clear?  Without this type of consideration you are
simply in the way.

BillB 



-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of jeff.singewald at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:45 PM
To: ed faubert; Jon Danniken
Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] telencephalon excuse

No, not true.  There are many other a-holes on this list.  We should all
take a look in the mirror before we hit that send button.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: ed faubert <edfaubert at yahoo.com> 

> Oh, i get it.............If your parents never had you then would the 
> PCT-l be a better place for the rest of us 'sapiens............
> 
> Jon Danniken wrote: Bill, the power lines are only one symptom of the 
> disease, a disease known as overpoplulation. All you need to do is 
> look at any other species on this planet, including homosapiens, to 
> realize that the end result of overpouplation is decay and death.
> 
> You speak of using the organ above the neck, and yet you disregard 
> this most fundamental fact: the fact that despite our enlarged 
> telencephalon, we still, as a species, do not keep our populations at
sustainable levels.
> 
> Jon
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Batchelor" 
> To: "'Jon Danniken'" ; "'Donna Saufley'" 
> ; <2005PCT at yahoogroups.com>;
> <2003PCT at yahoogroups.com>;
> ;
> 
> ;
> 
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Proposed Power Lines on PCT in Anza
> 
> 
> > Jon is right. This is the only way. Any attempt at creative 
> > alternatives should be discontinued. There are no other 
> > alternatives. We have no options. This is how it must be. The power 
> > company has decided and we should discontinue any other cognitive 
> > activities. Please, just quit using any organ above the neck. We 
> > will all be much better off.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net 
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Jon Danniken
> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:30 PM
> > To: Donna Saufley; 2005PCT at yahoogroups.com; 2003PCT at yahoogroups.com; 
> > pct2006 at yahoogroups.com; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net; 
> > PCT04 at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Proposed Power Lines on PCT in Anza
> > 
> > Decreasing our population base is the only way to avoid having more 
> > things like power lines running through our back yards.
> > 
> > Jon
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donna Saufley" 
> > To: <2005PCT at yahoogroups.com>; <2003PCT at yahoogroups.com>;
> > 
> ;
> ;
> > 
> 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:34 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Proposed Power Lines on PCT in Anza
> > 
> > 
> >> Friends,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The following is excerpted information sent to me for distribution 
> >> to the PCT list community regarding the open comment period for 
> >> proposed power lines on the PCT on/near Anza.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> "The main point is that however people feel about it, they should 
> >> comment as suggested below, as many as possible, because the public 
> >> does matter and has an opportunity to affect the outcome . . . a 
> >> hiker reported . . . that she had seen flags marking the proposed 
> >> route on the trail--which is not where it is supposed to go. This 
> >> just underlines the need to speak up!"
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Here is the information provided to me: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> HYPERLINK
"http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/static/hottopics/1energy/a0512014.htm" 
> >> \nhttp://www.cpuc.ca.gov/static/hottopics/1energy/a0512014.htm
> >> 
> >> It is the Commission's website telling all about the project and 
> >> the process. He says that the hearing schedule part needs to be
updated.
> >> First
> >> phase hearings start in July, but everything else is pretty much 
> >> the same.
> >> If you need more information, you can call the Commission's Public 
> >> Advisor at 1-866-849-8390 or 1-415-703-2074; or email HYPERLINK 
> >> "mailto:public.advisor at cpuc.ca.gov" \npublic.advisor at cpuc.ca.gov
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The maps showing the proposed route and proposed alternate routes 
> >> do not show the PCT, so you will have to use your trail knowledge 
> >> of where the trail lies.
> >> 
> >> Let your opinions be heard - it's YOUR trail
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> L-Rod
> >> 
> >> 
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