[pct-l] Was: Leaving List Now: Back On Track - Info requested on down pullovers

[Mike Saenz]

I had the same issue last year and unsubscribed...but resubscribed
shortly afterward because I've found the people, knowledge, experience
and current trail beta invaluable.

But I have learned to resist reading each and every post. I scan the
subject line and if it is a topic of interest, I'll open it and read.
Otherwise I delete it immediately.

I find it interesting that most the sour posts and sniping occurs
between about a month or two after the Thrus have completed their walks
and a month or two before the KO. Call it cabin fever, or whatever. But
when we're not focused on the next or current PCT hiking season, topics
tend to wander...

Anyway- back to the reason I resubscribed:

I'm looking into a UL down pullover. Current fav: the Nunatak "skaha":
http://www.nunatakusa.com/down_sweater_skaha.html

I've been packing a comfy fleece soft shell, but at 21 ounces it's a bit
weighty for the limited warmth it provides. And I typically need to add
another layer under it when it gets chilly and THAT's another 10.5
ounces.

The skaha is about 9.5 ounces for a large size.

Does anyone have any useful info/experience on these types of gear?

I'm not too concerned about the "sweating in down thing". I don't plan
on hiking in it. (of course, key word here is "plan"...)

Shell durability? Warmth? Maintenance?


Michael  Saenz
Associate Partner

MVE & Partners, Inc. | Architecture + Planning + Interiors 
Irvine + Oakland + Honolulu

1900 Main Street, Suite 800 | Irvine, California 92614-7318 | T
949.809.3388 | www.mve-architects.com
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From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of gwtmp01 at mac.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:53 AM
To: Jane
Cc: PCT List
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Leaving List


On Dec 4, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Jane wrote:
> I am removing myself from the list for the moment.  So much of the  
> current input sinply doesn't reflect what I originally found so  
> helpful and interesting -- tips on gear, water sources, trailhead  
> transportation, etc. as well as personal anecdotes of folks'  
> adventures on the trail.  I'll check it out again in a few months.

Jane, I'm sorry if it seems like I'm singling you out but I
hope you have expressed your frustrations directly to the people
posting the comments.

If a few rude or uncalled for comments result in people unsubscribing
instead of privately (or if necessary publicly) calling out the posters
then the net result is that the list and discussion becomes  
controlled by
those who are misbehaving as all the polite people leave the list.

I know it can be awkward and sometimes seem like an unnecessary  
confrontation,
but when you see that a particular post is clearly out of line just  
send a quick
note to the author.  It isn't necessary to enter into a point by  
point debate,
just give them a heads up that you felt uncomfortable with the tone  
of the post.

I hate to see lists degrade because all the good people leave.  It is  
quite easy
for a few raucous threads to stand out from many more reasonable  
lines of discussion.

It is possible to have a discussion and disagreement with civility.   
The aim
should be to insist on a certain amount of decorum while still  
encouraging
discussion.


Gary Wright



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