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Has anyone heard from PCT thru hiker Margaret Brownell? She started her hike on 4/24 and the last I heard from her was on 5/9. She was in Big Bear, CA then....
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> pct-l-digest Thursday, July 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 799
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> In this issue:
>
> [pct-l] Skeeters, Late SCal, and Cascades
> [pct-l] Skeeters
> [pct-l] Walt & Pat Radney
> [pct-l] My friend Doug Banks
> [pct-l] Hiker sightings, trail news
> [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #797
> [pct-l] Postcards from the Trail: Junk Yard Dog
> [pct-l] BOUNCE pct-l@backcountry.net: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 9 (fwd)
> [pct-l] Fw: Golden Rule
> [pct-l] At vs PCT
> Re: [pct-l] At vs PCT
> [pct-l] hot foot
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:42:57 -0400
> From: "David B. Stockton" <davstock@tiac.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Skeeters, Late SCal, and Cascades
>
> I personally believe that mosquitos have some primitive distributed
> intelligence that causes them - as a localized group - to target a person
> at a given time, perhaps because of internal needs. In the S. Pacific I
> ended up with both malaria and dengue fever at different times and in
> different countries. Before each time I remember a specific night when the
> mosquitos seemed to target me (and no one else around) with a particularly
> focused eerie-feeling swarm. Soon afterwards I was sick, sick, sick.
> Science fiction pales when you look at the malaria cycle.
>
> Anyone have any experience with Southern California in November / December?
> Especially the Mt. San Jacinto area. What are snow chances (if any) and
> water availability (if any)?
>
> Also -- are all the snow fields in the Cascades clear in September or are
> there still some that require safety gear (i.e., ice axe)? Has anyone been
> there then?
>
> Thanks in advance --
>
> Dave
>
> David B. Stockton
> davstock@tiac.net
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:56:20 -0400
> From: hudsom@us.ibm.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Skeeters
>
> ROTFLOL ; ) You should have been with me on my hike from Tahoe to Yosemite
> last year. The high snow melt had bred vast numbers of skeeters, they probably
> heard I was coming.... since my trailname is Skeeterbait....
>
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:08:58 -0500 (CDT)
> From: PCT-L Guest Post <milt@backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Walt & Pat Radney
>
> * Message posted to PCT-L from the National Scenic Trails Website
> * by our guest Teton Fritz <LutzRobert@aol.com>.
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> Has anyone heard from Walt & Pat Radney...they are thru-hiking the PCT at present, from Mexico to Canada...last heard from them when they re-supplied at Lone Pine, CA and they said we would hear from them again when they re-supply at Lake Tahoe. I'm planning to rendevous with them somewhere along Section-K between Rainy Pass, and Stevens Pass. -Teton
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:59:44 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Milt Webb <unclemilt@backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] My friend Doug Banks
>
> Hello folks. I'm signing on the list to keep everyone posted on Doug's
> progress. I'll assume he made the standard announcements etc. to the list
> before signing off.>
>
> He left last week, heading west from Atlanta in his red jeep. Planned to
> visit some family on the way to N. Ca. as well as visiting Yellowstone and
> other favorite places. He had some time to kill while waiting for more
> snow to melt.
>
> Doug will be sending his notes, journals and film to me and I'll do my
> best to post these to my web site for those that want to follow his
> journey.
>
> I'll post the URL and other info when it's available...
>
> - -UncleMilt (mostly the AT-L admin guy)
>
> ---
>
> "In the name of the Bee, and of the Butterfly, and of the Breeze, Amen" -
> --Emily Dickenson
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:46:36 -0700
> From: Glen Van Peski <gvp@home.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hiker sightings, trail news
>
> I just got back from hiking Kennedy Meadows to Red's Meadow with a
> friend of mine "Reader" (Read Miller), who is back on the trail after
> taking 6 weeks off. Most of the following is from memory, so give some
> latitude with names and dates.
>
> We left Kennedy Meadows late afternoon on June 18th. We met up with
> Gearman and Cowboy Poet that day, and camped a little beyond them, above
> Beck Meadows. Around Trail Pass, we met up with various parts of an
> original 6-person party that had just split up. Two "older" guys, Roy
> and Don, were by themselves. "Skunk" (Jennifer), was traveling by
> herself, and Roy's daughter was traveling with two companions. We also
> ran into Denny and Bob. On the way up to Forester Pass, we spoke with
> Sly, who had his AT buddy Bulldog hiking with him until Tuolumne. We
> also met "Jaime" (James) hiking by himself at quite a pace. Before
> Pinchot Pass, we spent the night near Tim, hiking with his buddy Michael
> who was along for a week or two. At the top of Muir Pass we met Chris
> and Katy. Katy had taken a dive with her pack into a stream, head under
> water, the whole deal. She had a gash on her shoulder from the rocks in
> the stream, but by the time we found them in the Muir hut, she seemed
> none the worse for wear. Near Evolution Lake we met "Lucky", who had
> stopped early because his stomach was bothering him anytime he cinced up
> his waist belt. At the Muir Trail Ranch we resupplied, and said hi to
> "Rude Dog" and "Barbie Gone Bad", who are both working there. On the
> way out of MTR, we met Yosemite Charles, who did the trail in '73, and
> was coming back from getting his buddy Yosemite John started. We kept
> hearing of the PA Plummers, but never actually met them. I think we
> walked by their stuff one afternoon, but nobody was around, so we didn't
> get to chat. At Tully Hole, we spent the night near Heiko and Laura.
> The next day we say Stephanie, hiking with Miguel. Then we were at
> Red's Meadow. Heiko and Laura were there, as was Jim, Neil from
> England, and some others. I left the trail there. I heard Tuesday from
> Reader that there was a group of about 20 thruhikers bunched up at
> Tuolumne waiting for trail conditions to better, and that they would
> probably be leaving Wednesday or Thursday. All the hikers we met were
> in fine spirits.
>
> In general, the passes were not bad. Muir had the most snow. It was
> melting fast on the north side, but was Slurpee consistency when we were
> hiking through it, and seemed to go on forever. We were suprised that
> the bugs weren't bad. We used DEET twice, and never put on a headnet at
> night (we were sleeping without tents). Even in places we remember as
> terrible from earlier years were not bad. Sallie Keyes lakes were
> swarming, though.
>
> Anyone wanting to ask about particulars I may have forgotten, feel free
> to email me directly.
>
> "Homemade" (Glen Van Peski)
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:50:02 -0700
> From: "Joe Risser, M.D., M.P.H." <jrisser@ibm.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #797
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> > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:51:53 -0700
> > From: Birgitte Jensen <bjensen4@juno.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] mosquitoes - help!
> >
> > One of the subscribers has reminded me that I have another Really Bad
> > Problem (Sierra camping-trip with kids): mosquitoes.
> >
> > 1) I just can't dip them in DEET; am nervous about putting the stuff on
> > _my_ skin. The most I'll do is rub a little DEET stick on cuffs, etc.
> >
> > 2) Citronella's an option, maybe. It works for me if I reapply it often,
> > but the kids may object to the strong furniture-polish smell and it makes
> > some (me, for one) sun sensitive.
> >
> > 3) On my last hike, I experimented with "Coppertone BUG SUN kid's
> > formula" a suncreen (SPF 30) and insect repellant creme combo; slathered
> > it on at the TH before the last trip. The sunscreen part worked okay,
> > but since there weren't any bugs that day, I dunno about the bug part. No
> > DEET (something called "N, N diethyl-m-tcluamide 9 1/2%, which sounds
> > even nastier and not-very-potent also), but the fumes from it drove me
> > crazy until I managed to sponge the stuff off that evening in camp - it
> > smells kind of like a creme depillatory.
> >
> > 4) Don't want to mess around with Skin So Soft/Brewers' yeast type
> > remedies. Some people swear by it, but it doesn't work for me/others -
> > Consumer Reports, for what it's worth, says it useless as a
> > bug-repellant. I just can't return the kids sobbing and
> > bloody-from-scratching. Will bring every bite-soother I can think of, but
> > would prefer they not be eaten alive in the first place.
> >
> > 5) Personally, I cope with mosquitoes by going dry/climbing high, but the
> > kids will want to hike easy and stay at a lake. They should probably get
> > a kick out of wearing netting bug-hats, but if it's at all hot, they
> > won't enjoy being swaddled head/toe in clothing including gloves (and
> > I've had mosquitoes bite me right through pants' legs, anyway); the
> > "let's pretend we're all beekeepers" game will wear off real fast.
> >
> > Help! bj
>
>
> I've learned that not all mosquitoes are the same--some are repelled by 1
> chemical much more than others. In the Sierras, nothing beats DEET. Other
> hikers have recommended applying a lower-potency DEET lotion (15-20%) 1st,
> topped with a 100% DEET pump over the lotion. That combination reduces DEET
> absorption and is extremely effective. NEVER apply 100% DEET to nylon or
> synthetics (esp. tents) since it can degrade the material.
>
> For mosquito dense areas, I also apply permethrin (Nix or Elimite cream) to
> socks and clothes. To reduce their concentration around camp, I like the Off
> Mosquito Coil and/or Off Yard and Deck Area Repellant. Finally, I take garlic
> pills which may reduce bites though has never been effective when used alone.
>
> Admittedly, it's overkill and involves some potent chemicals but, for me, it's
> far preferable to the misery following mosquito onslaughts.
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> <blockquote type=cite cite>------------------------------<br>
> <br>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:51:53 -0700<br>
> From: Birgitte Jensen <bjensen4@juno.com><br>
> Subject: [pct-l] mosquitoes - help!<br>
> <br>
> One of the subscribers has reminded me that I have another Really
> Bad<br>
> Problem (Sierra camping-trip with kids): mosquitoes.<br>
> <br>
> 1) I just can't dip them in DEET; am nervous about putting the stuff
> on<br>
> _my_ skin. The most I'll do is rub a little DEET stick on cuffs,
> etc.<br>
> <br>
> 2) Citronella's an option, maybe. It works for me if I reapply it>
> often,<br>
> but the kids may object to the strong furniture-polish smell a> nd it
> makes<br>
> some (me, for one) sun sensitive.<br>
> <br>
> 3) On my last hike, I experimented with "Coppertone BUG SUN
> kid's<br>
> formula" a suncreen (SPF 30) and insect repellant creme combo;
> slathered<br>
> it on at the TH before the last trip. The sunscreen part worked okay,
> <br>
> but since there weren't any bugs that day, I dunno about the bug part.
> No<br>
> DEET (something called "N, N diethyl-m-tcluamide 9 1/2%, which
> sounds<br>
> even nastier and not-very-potent also), but the fumes from it drove
> me<br>
> crazy until I managed to sponge the stuff off that evening in camp -
> it<br>
> smells kind of like a creme depillatory.<br>
> <br>
> 4) Don't want to mess around with Skin So Soft/Brewers' yeast type<br>
> remedies. Some people swear by it, but it doesn't work for me/others
> - -<br>
> Consumer Reports, for what it's worth, says it useless as a<br>
> bug-repellant. I just can't return the kids sobbing and<br>
> bloody-from-scratching. Will bring every bite-soother I can think of,
> but<br>
> would prefer they not be eaten alive in the first place.<br>
> <br>
> 5) Personally, I cope with mosquitoes by going dry/climbing high, but
> the<br>
> kids will want to hike easy and stay at a lake. They should probably
> get<br>
> a kick out of wearing netting bug-hats, but if it's at all hot,
> they<br>
> won't enjoy being swaddled head/toe in clothing including gloves
> (and<br>
> I've had mosquitoes bite me right through pants' legs, anyway); the<br>
> "let's pretend we're all beekeepers" game will wear off real
> fast.<br>
> <br>
> Help! bj</blockquote><br>
> I've learned that not all mosquitoes are the same--some are repelled by 1
> chemical much more than others. In the Sierras, nothing beats DEET. Other
> hikers have recommended applying a lower-potency DEET lotion (15-20%)
> 1st, topped with a 100% DEET pump over the lotion. That combination
> reduces DEET absorption and is extremely effective. NEVER apply 100% DEET
> to nylon or synthetics (esp. tents) since it can degrade the
> material.<br>
> <br>
> For mosquito dense areas, I also apply permethrin (Nix or Elimite cream)
> to socks and clothes. To reduce their concentration around camp, I like
> the Off Mosquito Coil and/or Off Yard and Deck Area Repellant. Finally, I
> take garlic pills which may reduce bites though has never been effective
> when used alone.<br>
> <br>
> Admittedly, it's overkill and involves some potent chemicals but, for me,
> it's far preferable to the misery following mosquito onslaughts. </html>
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:39:18 -0700
> From: "ROBERT E RIESS" <CDRRIESS@prodigy.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Postcards from the Trail: Junk Yard Dog
>
> Yosemite
> National Park
> Tuolumne
> Meadows PO
> June 26,
> 1999
>
> Hey Bob,
>
> Check it out, I made it this far. Unfortunately, Snoop didn't make it. He
> jumped off way back in Cabazon. Sly is a few days behind me. It's been a
> great trip so far. I have never seen mountains like these. Thank you for
> everything, Junk Yard Dog.
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:20:35 -0500 (CDT)
> From: PCT List Admin <brick@fastpack.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] BOUNCE pct-l@backcountry.net: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 9 (fwd)
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> >Dear "Suebee," and general list members [snip]
> >http://mcb.berkeley.edu/groups/mcbcdna/mailing_etiquette.html gives
>
> For those of us who have our little troubles accessing websites, or are
> someone like me/Miss Manners who like their rules embroidered in homilies
> and hung in a cute frame on the parlor wall <g>:
>
> 1) The Golden Rule. If somebody posts something and doesn't get
> uns*ubscribed or reprimanded or the membership doesn't rise up in outrage,
> then undoubtedly it's fair for you to do it too. A dignified High Road
> shouldn't equate lurking; otherwise, only vocal bullies would feel
> comfortable posting. Set a good example - provide good information, do
> good deeds with nonpolitical motives, make friends but don't form cliques
> to gangbang other subscribers, credit your sources, watch your language.
>
> 2) What Goes Around Comes Around - on equitable mailing lists.
>
> 3) Sauce For The Goose/Sauce For The Gander. What "comes down" for
> girls does so equally for boys; both genders have the same
> privileges/restrictions. Nobody gets condescended to or picked on or
> favored because of characteristics like age, race, wallet-size, gender
> and so on.
>
> 4) A Stitch In Time Saves Nine. If you haven't much to say, make it
> short; if your have alot to say, make it lo-ng-g.
>
> 4) Bless Our Happy Home. ....
>
> bj
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:49:21 -0700
> From: Birgitte Jensen <bjensen4@juno.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fw: Golden Rule
>
> Have been trying to send this message for awhile, but it just keeps
> "bouncing" from the list with
> PCT List Admin <brick@fastpack.com> as the sender.
>
>
>
> >Dear "Suebee," and general list members [snip]
> >http://mcb.berkeley.edu/groups/mcbcdna/mailing_etiquette.html gives
>
> For those of us who have our little troubles accessing websites, or are
> someone like me/Miss Manners who like their rules embroidered in homilies
> and hung in a cute frame on the parlor wall <g>:
>
> 1) The Golden Rule. If somebody posts something and doesn't get
> unsubscribed or reprimanded or the membership doesn't rise up in outrage,
> then undoubtedly it's fair for you to do it too. A dignified High Road
> shouldn't equate lurking; otherwise, only vocal bullies would feel
> comfortable posting. Set a good example - provide good information, do
> good deeds with nonpolitical motives, make friends but don't form cliques
> to gangbang other subscribers, credit your sources, watch your language.
>
> 2) What Goes Around Comes Around - on equitable mailing lists.
>
> 3) Sauce For The Goose/Sauce For The Gander. What "comes down" for
> girls does so equally for boys; both genders have the same
> privileges/restrictions. Nobody gets condescended to or picked on or>
> favored because of characteristics like a> ge, race, wallet-size, gender
> and so on.
>
> 4) A Stitch In Time Saves Nine. If you haven't much to say, make it
> short; if your have alot to say, make it lo-ng-g.
>
> 4) Bless Our Happy Home. ....
>
> bj
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:22:02 EDT
> From: Montedodge@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] At vs PCT
>
> I have heard many war storys about the AT in recent years with hikers using
> cell phones to hog up campsites even though other thru-hikers are five miles
> ahead of them and closer to prized campsites and shelters. With so many
> thru-hikers hitting the trail at one time, people become cold toward each
> other. On a recent hike up eagle creek, hikers would not look you in the eye
> and say "hi"or Nice Day Huh". I know old time hikers had a deep respect for
> each other and always had time to aknowledge each other on the trail and
> speak. At small trail towns and drops, it was like meeting a long lost
> brother or sister each time you saw a thru-hiker you hadn,t seen in a month
> or two. Hopefully, PCT hikers still share the same caring for each other and
> respect. I really hope we don,t get the hordes of people the AT gets. Too
> many hikers means people get into their " mall trance" and just look straight
> ahead when other people are coming. bummer Any AT thru-hikers that can share
> about this or PCT hikers of recent years?
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:47:58 -0400
> From: Paul A Magnanti <pmags@juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] At vs PCT
>
> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:22:02 EDT Montedodge@aol.com writes:
>
> > ahead when other people are coming. bummer Any AT thru-hikers that
> > can share > about this or PCT hikers of recent years?
>
> Found fellow AT thru-hikers to be an all around great bunch of
> people. Heck, I find hikers to be an all around great bunch of people.
> Make a point to say to everyone I met on the trail. Can't hurt to give a
> little hello. Have yet to have anyone ignore me..
>
> There is, however, a growing "party" scene on the AT. The outdoor
> pursuits type of thing is trendy right now. So you have many people
> "doing the AT" who do not care so much about the woods, but as a cool
> thing to do. Maybe when this "SUV, lets by a $300 GTX shell to walk
> around in the Mall, Polo hiking boots (?!?!?!)" trend goes away, the AT
> will not be quite as crowded. As one person said to me at Trail Days
> this past year: "I like the AT, it is all this hiking I can't stand".
> Some people enjoy the social aspect more. Hike your own hike, I guess.
> Part of the more crowded nature of the trail.
> Not all eastern hiking trails are crowded. On a recent
> trek of Vermont's "Long Trail", went two days w/o seeing anyone. Here in
> Rhode Island, on more than one occasion, have done day hikes in the
> local state forests and not see a soul. And Rhody is second only to
> Jersey in population density! (Which is one reason why I am leaving it,
> but that is another story).
>
> It is possible to get solitude on the AT, though. Avoid camping at
> lean-tos (Shelters to non- New Englanders out there.. :D ), and start
> earlier in the season, or go Southbound. I loved the AT, but it is a
> high use trail. When I (hopefully!) do the PCT in 2002, I look forward
> to more of a wilderness experience.
>
> OK...put my .02, back to lurking mode... :D
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:24:00 -0800
> From: Steve Musil <smusil@angnewspapers.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] hot foot
>
> I'm planning to begin hiking north at Palms to Pines Highway on Sunday. The
> forecast high temperature for Palm Springs that day is 111. My questions
> are: 1) how much cooler (if any) will the trail at elevation be from that in
> Palm Springs?, and 2) how much shade can I expect to find from San Jacinto
> to San Gorgonio?
>
> please advise,
>
> Steve Musil
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