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pct-l-digest wrote:
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> pct-l-digest Wednesday, January 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 364
>
> In this issue:
>
> [pct-l] Re: Which is warmer?
> [pct-l] re: snow sensor update
> [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #357
> [pct-l] re glissade and boots
> [pct-l] A few questions
> Re: [pct-l] A few questions
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:09:22 -0700 (MST)
> From: bluesky@Rt66.com (Karen Elder)
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Which is warmer?
>
> >The great debate: Given the same weather, sleep system etc, which is
> >warmer, sleeping nude, sleeping in minimal clothes, or layering and using
> >the sleep system as the outer layer? What are everyone's opinions???
>
> Ah, yes, the great debate. I can just tell you what works for me.
>
> I have three bags - a 20 degree, a 5 degree and a -30 degree. Step one is
> choosing the appropriate bag. I have a bit of extra room in the bags - that
> is, wearing clothes doesn't particularly compress the bag insulation above
> and to my sides.
>
> Beyond that, I ordinarily start off in t-shirt and underwear. If it gets
> colder,
> I'll go to (in order) socks, longsleeve or longjohn shirt, longjohn pants,
> knit cap, fleece pullover with hood. I've never been in a situation that
> system couldn't handle. The fleece pullover with hood is great because it
> keeps the neck area warm even if a bit of cold air slips in.
>
> YMMV,
>
> Karen
>
> Karen Elder
> bluesky@Rt66.com
> P.O. Box 20093
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
> 87154 USA
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:41:00 -0500
> From: Ken Marlow <kmarlow@ngs.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] re: snow sensor update
>
> Thanks Mark! I got to hand it to you. Your site has been just about the most
> useful site in my book. Thanks for your effort. I'll be using monitoring it
> closely for my upcomming JMT hike!
>
> Ken A. Marlow, GIS Analyst
> National Geographic Maps (NGMaps)
> email: kmarlow@ngs.org
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:42:27 EST
> From: Ghpbill <Ghpbill@aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #357
>
> Hello all,
>
> 2 questions: 1. What does glissade mean? 2. I'm hiking the JMT this July
> from Yosemite to Whitney. Does anyone have any thoughts on Tennis shoes vs.
> boots? Also, does anyone have any suggestions, tips, brands, preferences
> regarding boots or shoes based on their experience in the sierras? And
> finally, I live in San Diego, I know that REI and A16 both have good
> selections for foot wear. Can anyone suggest any other stores in the area or
> places on line where I met get alternative selections and/or better prices?
> And are there any companies I can order shoes or boots from directly without
> going through a retailer middleman? Are there any good catalogs out there I
> should check out? Thanks.
>
> Bill Kennington
> AKA Wildman
> EM-GHPBill@aol.com
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:38:00 -0500
> From: Ken Marlow <kmarlow@ngs.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] re glissade and boots
>
> Bill wrote:
>
> 2 questions: 1. What does glissade mean? 2. I'm hiking the JMT this July
> from Yosemite to Whitney. Does anyone have any thoughts on Tennis shoes vs.
> boots? Also, does anyone have any suggestions, tips, brands, preferences
> regarding boots or shoes based on their experience in the sierras? And
> finally, I live in San Diego, I know that REI and A16 both have good
> selections for foot wear. Can anyone suggest any other stores in the area
> or
> places on line where I met get alternative selections and/or better prices?
> And are there any companies I can order shoes or boots from directly without
> going through a retailer middleman? Are there any good catalogs out there I
> should check out? Thanks.
>
> Hey Bill,
> A glissade is a controlled slide on one's rear down a glacier or snowfield,
> using one's ice-axe as a brake. Maybe my wife and I will run into you this
> summer on the JMT. We're intending the thru-hike as well. I used to live in
> Diegoland, try Sport Chalet if the A's and REI doesn't have what you want.
> Last I saw, there used to be Sport Chalets in Grossmont Center, University
> Town Center and Midway Blvd, near the Sports Arena. I always thought A-16
> was a bit pricey. I'd only do a mail order on the boots after I tried on an
> identical pair at a store and the price warranted it. You've got to get a
> feel for the boot before the purchase (and break them in as well). No
> comment regarding sneakers instead of boots (as that is quite the hot topic
> on this site) except that there's some pretty rocky stretches near the
> passes. Ray Jardine's "Pacific Crest Trail Hiker's Handbook" is a must-read
> if your thinking about sneakers, as I believe you'd have to adopt a
> whole-system approach toward ultra-lightness before doning them.
> Ken A. Marlow, GIS Analyst
> National Geographic Maps (NGMaps)
> email: kmarlow@ngs.org
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:59:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: "J. Thoreson" <jthoreso@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] A few questions
>
> Howdy,
>
> I'm making plans for a thru-hike this summer and have a few questions.
> I've read the PCT Hikers Handbook and have decided that a light pack is
> for me! I've consequently made a pack, clothing, and a tarp. In the
> spirit of cutting weight, I was thinking of turning my plastic ground tarp
> into a poncho. Kind of a dual purpose thing. The idea of holding onto an
> umbrella for hours while hiking doesn't sound too appealing. I figure
> that with a decent design and good hat (any suggestions for good hats?) a
> poncho would be fairly effective at keeping the wind and rain at bay.
> This would also emlinate about 10 ounces. I figure that an umbrella
> through the desert sections will be quite valuable though. What does
> experience have to say on this idea?
> Also, of major concern is safe drinking water. I have an MSR filter
> (about 14 ounces), but
> am wondering how others have handled this obstacle (chlorine or iodine
> tablets, any particular filters that have performed admirably, or does
> scouting out the water source work well enough?). I would like to travel
> without a filter if possible for the reduction in weight. If a filter is
> too invaluble though, so be it!
> One final question on the umbrella, I saw in the original edition of the
> Handbook, that Jardine had sewn an 'umbrella holder' on his shoulder
> strap. Has anyone else tried this? Or, do most just carry the umbrella
> in their hands?
> The last question concerns fuel for stoves. The stove I've got can burn
> just about anything, but white gas is preferred to keep the thing from
> clogging up. Do most of the resupply stations sell white gas, or do you
> have to break the law and mail it to yourself?
> Thanks for the help! There's nothing like firsthand experience! You'll
> probably see a few more questions from me from time to time.
>
> Hike on,
>
> John Thoreson
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:36:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Karl Brandt <brandt@snf.Stanford.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] A few questions
>
> On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, J. Thoreson wrote:
>
> > I'm making plans for a thru-hike this summer and have a few questions.
> > I've read the PCT Hikers Handbook and have decided that a light pack is
> > for me! I've consequently made a pack, clothing, and a tarp. In the
> > spirit of cutting weight, I was thinking of turning my plastic ground tarp
> > into a poncho. Kind of a dual purpose thing. The idea of holding onto an
> > umbrella for hours while hiking doesn't sound too appealing. I figure
> > that with a decent design and good hat (any suggestions for good hats?) a
> > poncho would be fairly effective at keeping the wind and rain at bay.
> > This would also emlinate about 10 ounces. I figure that an umbrella
> > through the desert sections will be quite valuable though. What does
> > experience have to say on this idea?
>
> Ground cloths inevitably get dirty and muddy. Especially in wet weather
> when you'll need the poncho most. Wearing a mud covered poncho could be a
> bit unpleasant. Since wet weather is plentiful in Washington, I'd suggest
> that you go out and test it now. Find out if things work now while they're
> easy to change. Experimenting now can avoid having to change things after
> you've started when it will be more difficult.
>
> Personally, I used a thin nylon rain suit that kept me much dryer than any
> poncho I've ever used. It might have cost me a little weight but it worked
> for me. Again, go experiment and find out what works for you.
>
> > Also, of major concern is safe drinking water. I have an MSR filter
> > (about 14 ounces), but
>
> People have had mixed results with the MSR. Some folks swear by them while
> others swear at them. I used a Sweetwater filter until mid-Oregon where
> the handle broke. The seals were starting to fail and I just don't think
> it was up to the task of lasting the entire summer. I picked up a PUR
> Hiker after that and never had another problem. In fact, thru-hikers
> seemed to universally love their PUR Hikers. I would definitely recommend
> them.
>
> > am wondering how others have handled this obstacle (chlorine or iodine
> > tablets, any particular filters that have performed admirably, or does
> > scouting out the water source work well enough?). I would like to travel
> > without a filter if possible for the reduction in weight. If a filter is
> > too invaluble though, so be it!
>
> Before the Sierras, you won't be able to be selective about water sources.
> They're just too limited to pass many by. Although people do it, I think
> it's a poor choice to do anything but filter down there.
>
> Like many of the hikers, I gave up filtering through most of the Sierras.
> I figured that fresh snow melt high in the mountains was pretty likely to
> be safe. Still there was some risk but I was willing to accept that. After
> the Sierras, I was selective but more often than not, I filtered. Let your
> own level of worry be your guide.
>
> > One final question on the umbrella, I saw in the original edition of the
> > Handbook, that Jardine had sewn an 'umbrella holder' on his shoulder
> > strap. Has anyone else tried this? Or, do most just carry the umbrella
> > in their hands?
>
> I never saw anyone that had perfected a good way to attach their umbrella
> to their pack. I'm sure if you're ingenious it could be done but it's not
> easy. It's also worth noting that in much of southern California, the
> brush is close enough to the trail that you'll be constantly maneuvering
> the umbrella around it. This isn't to say that an umbrella isn't a good
> idea just be aware that there are limitations.
>
> > The last question concerns fuel for stoves. The stove I've got can burn
> > just about anything, but white gas is preferred to keep the thing from
> > clogging up. Do most of the resupply stations sell white gas, or do you
> > have to break the law and mail it to yourself?
>
> Wasn't that umbrella thing the final question? :)
>
> Don't bother worrying about it. There should be enough white gas
> available. At most you'll only need to use gasoline once or twice.
>
> - -Karl PCT-97
>
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Which is warmer? I have used a 20 degree bag in the Southern sierra for
years,but would never consider sleeping without clothes on. What would
you do if you had to make a quick exit? I assure you, nobody would want
to see me naked in the wilderness!
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