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My. Laguna Mail
Warner Springs Mail
Idyllwild Buy
Big Bear Buy
Wrightwood Buy
Agua Dulce Buy
Tehachapi/Mojave Buy
Kennedy Meadows Mail
Independence ? (I had someone carry my food into Kearsarge
Lakes)
Vermilion Valley Resort Mail
Tuolumne Meadows Buy
Echo Lake Mail (Unless you go to South Lake Tahoe)
Sierra City But
Belden Town Mail
Old Station Mail
Burney Falls Mail
Castella Buy/Mail (Its a hard call)
Seid Buy/Mail (Its a hard call)
Hyatt Lake Mail
Crater Lake Mail
Diamond Lake Buy (If you don't get supplies at Crater Lake)
Cascade Summit Mail
Olallie Lake Buy (Not a good selection, but you only need two
days of food)
Timberline Lodge Mail
Cascade Locks Buy
White Pass Mail
Snoqualmie Pass Buy
Skykomish Buy/Mail/? (I was there, but I never went into a
store)
Stehekin Mail
Manning Park Mail (Clean town cloths)
In your case you can do your mailing here in the states. When you are
in San Diego mail Mt. Laguna and Warner Springs. When you get to Agua
Dulce mail Kennedy Meadows and Vermilion Valley, and so on.
> > From: Svein Eriksen <sveinse@gudmund.vgs.no>
> > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:03:05 +0100
> > Subject: ATML PCT?
> >
> > Last, as I'm Norwegian, living outside of the US it's a bit
> difficult
> > (maybe impossible) to organize maildrops. On the AT I just bought
> food
> > as I got to stores, and virtually no planning beyond the next week
> was
> > ever neccessary. How would that work on the PCT?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Svein
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:10:22 -0800
From: "Umstead, Tim (SD-EX)" <TUmstead@nlvl.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Re: El Nino
A comment on a comment
Route Finding.
"You would think that the High Sierra would be the most
difficult when snowbound but it really isn't because the route
finding is
fairly easy. Hike up one drainage till you hit the snow. Take a
compass
sighting to figure out which col is the pass you want to go
over, then hike=20
down the other side until the trail peeks out of the snow."
This is not that easy in the southern Sierra's. (Note: this is
for an average year)
Forester Pass: you can do that on. The Pass can be seen buy
the time you get to Tyndel Creak.
Glen Pass: you twist and turn into and you will not see the
pass until your just below it.
Pinchot Pass: you will hit snow buy the time you get to Twin
Lakes and the pass is back to your left behind a hill.
Mather Pass: no big deal, you can see it from the top of
Pinchot.
Muir Pass: this pass is another one that twist and turns. you
will not see the pass until you are on it. In '96, this is the pass
that most people got a little lost on. You just want to follow that
river all the way up, but its under snow.
The rest of the passes are not much of a problem. Remember that
Silver Pass is on the high point to the right of what we would normal
call the pass.
Tim and Ann
The Ravens PCT '96
JMT '87 '91 '93 '95
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brick Robbins [SMTP:brick@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 8:59 AM
> To: pct-l@saffron.hack.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: El Nino
>=20
> I would like to add my perspective to the "too much snow"/El Ni=F1o
> discussion.=20
>=20
> I through hiked CA in 1995, which had one of the latest snowmelts on
> record
> (second i think). I had snow above 11,000 feet starting near Whitney,
> and
> it dropped down to 8000 feet by the time I was north of I-80. I often
> hiked
> 20 mile stretches on snow without setting foot on solid ground. Have =
a
> look
> at my home page to see Forester Pass when I crossed it. That picture
> wast
> taken 15 July. I hiked in running shoes with REI gortex inner socks.
> Several times I wished I had boots, but many others I was glad I had
> the
> running shoes. The gortex socks worked great at keeping my feet warm
> and
> dry. I used a Ramer self arrest skipole handle instead of an ice axe,
> which
> was a big mistake. I often wished for the real thing.
>=20
> COMMENTS:
> First of all, by that late in the season, the snow has compressed, =
and
> generally you can walk on top of it.=20
>=20
> If you choose to use snow shoes, I would reccomend the MSR or the
> Ramer
> shoes (small and light), but I doubt they are worth the weight.=20
>=20
> Crampon are useless, except for a couple of hours in the morning, and
> you
> can chop steps then. I wholey agree with Jardine's comments on
> crampons in
> his book.
>=20
> Skis would be worse than useless because the snow will probably be so
> sun-cupped by then that you will have to carry skis up the passes,
> then
> back down the other side.
>=20
> Your three problems will probably be speed, routefinding and high
> water.
>=20
> SPEED. You will go slower than you expect. On dry trails I averaged
> about
> 30 miles a day. In the 200 miles of snowcover I walked on, I averaged
> 20
> miles a day in the snow country, about 33% slower than I was =
planning.
> I
> ran out of food twice. This can be overcome by hiking out a lateral
> trail
> and resupplying, but odds are there won't be any traffic to the
> trailhead
> because of the snow, so you will have to walk the extra 10-15 miles
> down to
> the main highway. Many days I would look skyward, bone tired and legs
> sore
> from walking on the sun cups, and say "Will this ever end?!?!?!" I
> couldn't
> stop and rest because food was low.
>=20
> ROUTE FINDING. You would think that the High Sierra would be the =
most
> difficult when snowbound but it really isn't because the route =
finding
> is
> fairly easy. Hike up one drainage till you hit the snow. Take a
> compass
> sighting to figure out which col is the pass you want to go over, =
then
> hike
> down the other side until the trail peeks out of the snow. Further
> north
> where you are following wooded ridges with no clear "natural line" =
the
> route finding is much much harder. If there is snow cover north of
> I-80
> plan on being lost alot. (been there - done that)
>=20
> DEEP WATER. By far the most dangerous part of hiking with excessive
> snow
> cover is the runnoff durring full melt. The rivers may be
> un-crossable at
> the normal fords so you will need to hike upstream or you may have to
> wait
> till morning when the water is 12"-24" lower before you can cross. =
You
> may
> get swept away and drown (almost happened to me). When it warms up =
and
> the
> creeks start running under the snow you need to worry about falling
> through
> a thin spot into a creek. I did this, and it scared the crap out of
> me. The
> water was only knee deep, but there was a big void between the bottom
> of
> snow and the top of the water. I was up to my chest in the snow when
> my
> feet hit the creekbed. If the water had been a little deeper, the =
void
> had
> been bigger or I had fallen all the way through I could have been
> trapped
> under the snow in freezing water until I died of hypothermia. As it
> wasI
> couldn't feel my feet for a very long time after I managed to get out
> of
> that hole.
>=20
> IMHO a PCT trip is do-able with abnormally deep snow, it just becomes
> much
> harder to do a end-to-end through hike, and a trip partner becomes
> more
> important (I travelled alone). The trip is still worth taking even if
> you
> have to jump around, flip-flop, or skip sections.
>=20
> DISCLAIMER: I am an experience mountaineer, and backcountry
> skiier/snow
> camper. My opinions of difficulty may be significantly different from
> the
> normal summer backpacker.
>=20
> --
> Brick Robbins
> San Diego, CA =20
> brick@ix.netcom.com =20
> http://www.netcom.com/~brick=20
>=20
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:06:34 -0800
From: jb <jbmetsvc@snowcrest.net>
Subject: [pct-l] hiking the pct in winter?
I was considering hiking from Castle Crags State Park to Burney Falls
and even possibly down to old station California in November. Do you
think its too much of a bad weather risk? I looked it up on the map and
it looks like it doesn't ever go any higher than about 6000 feet and it
rarely snows below 6000 feet in northern CA but this year is a strange
one (El NINO) so who's to say what the forcast holds. I am a novice
hiker and I wanted to take my 10 year old son with me and so I'd like to
get information on survival techniques in the event of the worst
possible conditions. Any information you could shre would be greatly
appreciated.
Sincerely,
John, from Redding CA
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:10:17 -0800
From: jb <jbmetsvc@snowcrest.net>
Subject: [pct-l] this is John again
my email addres is iluv2play@hotmail.com
Any PCT info on the northern CA portion would be greatly appreciated
especially around Burney Falls.
Sincerely,
John From Redding
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:34:00 -0500
From: Ken Marlow <kmarlow@ngs.org>
Subject: [pct-l] re: crampons
Blister-Free discussed the saftey issue of crampons. I would think that any
respectable course that taught self-arrest techniques, would discuss or
train an individual in arrest techniques with crampons. The training I had
was quite awhile back in conjunction with my volunteer activities with San
Diego Mountain Rescue Team, however, what I seem to recall during
self-arrest with crampons, is focusing nearly all your thoughts on where
your crampon points are, and keeping them off the slope. I didn't find
(voluntary) falls to bad with these on. The self-arrest shouldn't take any
thought as well, once fallen, as it should be a spontaneous reflex action.
The thought should be when upright, crossing the slope. Use that time to
prepare yourself for the fall. Keep the axe in the uphill hand while
traversing or shaft across your chest (adze well away from your face) in the
ready position, if balance isn't a problem.
Ken Marlow
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:52:57 -0800
From: "Umstead, Tim (SD-EX)" <TUmstead@nlvl.com>
Subject: FW: [pct-l] Re: El Nino
> A comment on a comment
> Route Finding.
>=20
> "You would think that the High Sierra would be the most
> difficult when snowbound but it really isn't because the route =
finding
> is
> fairly easy. Hike up one drainage till you hit the snow. Take a
> compass
> sighting to figure out which col is the pass you want to go over, =
then
> hike=20
> down the other side until the trail peeks out of the snow."
>=20
> This is not that easy in the southern Sierra's. (Note: this is for
> an average year)
> Forester Pass: you can do that on. The Pass can be seen buy the =
time
> you get to Tyndel Creak.
> Glen Pass: you twist and turn into and you will not see the pass
> until your just below it.
> Pinchot Pass: you will hit snow buy the time you get to Twin Lakes
> and the pass is back to your left behind a hill.
> Mather Pass: no big deal, you can see it from the top of Pinchot.
> Muir Pass: this pass is another one that twist and turns. you will
> not see the pass until you are on it. In '96, this is the pass that
> most people got a little lost on. You just want to follow that river
> all the way up, but its under snow.
> The rest of the passes are not much of a problem. Remember that
> Silver Pass is on the high point to the right of what we would normal
> call the pass.
>=20
> Tim and Ann
> The Ravens PCT '96
> JMT '87 '91 '93 '95
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brick Robbins [SMTP:brick@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 8:59 AM
> To: pct-l@saffron.hack.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: El Nino
>=20
> I would like to add my perspective to the "too much snow"/El Ni=F1o
> discussion.=20
>=20
> I through hiked CA in 1995, which had one of the latest snowmelts on
> record
> (second i think). I had snow above 11,000 feet starting near Whitney,
> and
> it dropped down to 8000 feet by the time I was north of I-80. I often
> hiked
> 20 mile stretches on snow without setting foot on solid ground. Have =
a
> look
> at my home page to see Forester Pass when I crossed it. That picture
> wast
> taken 15 July. I hiked in running shoes with REI gortex inner socks.
> Several times I wished I had boots, but many others I was glad I had
> the
> running shoes. The gortex socks worked great at keeping my feet warm
> and
> dry. I used a Ramer self arrest skipole handle instead of an ice axe,
> which
> was a big mistake. I often wished for the real thing.
>=20
> COMMENTS:
> First of all, by that late in the season, the snow has compressed, =
and
> generally you can walk on top of it.=20
>=20
> If you choose to use snow shoes, I would reccomend the MSR or the
> Ramer
> shoes (small and light), but I doubt they are worth the weight.=20
>=20
> Crampon are useless, except for a couple of hours in the morning, and
> you
> can chop steps then. I wholey agree with Jardine's comments on
> crampons in
> his book.
>=20
> Skis would be worse than useless because the snow will probably be so
> sun-cupped by then that you will have to carry skis up the passes,
> then
> back down the other side.
>=20
> Your three problems will probably be speed, routefinding and high
> water.
>=20
> SPEED. You will go slower than you expect. On dry trails I averaged
> about
> 30 miles a day. In the 200 miles of snowcover I walked on, I averaged
> 20
> miles a day in the snow country, about 33% slower than I was =
planning.
> I
> ran out of food twice. This can be overcome by hiking out a lateral
> trail
> and resupplying, but odds are there won't be any traffic to the
> trailhead
> because of the snow, so you will have to walk the extra 10-15 miles
> down to
> the main highway. Many days I would look skyward, bone tired and legs
> sore
> from walking on the sun cups, and say "Will this ever end?!?!?!" I
> couldn't
> stop and rest because food was low.
>=20
> ROUTE FINDING. You would think that the High Sierra would be the =
most
> difficult when snowbound but it really isn't because the route =
finding
> is
> fairly easy. Hike up one drainage till you hit the snow. Take a
> compass
> sighting to figure out which col is the pass you want to go over, =
then
> hike
> down the other side until the trail peeks out of the snow. Further
> north
> where you are following wooded ridges with no clear "natural line" =
the
> route finding is much much harder. If there is snow cover north of
> I-80
> plan on being lost alot. (been there - done that)
>=20
> DEEP WATER. By far the most dangerous part of hiking with excessive
> snow
> cover is the runnoff durring full melt. The rivers may be
> un-crossable at
> the normal fords so you will need to hike upstream or you may have to
> wait
> till morning when the water is 12"-24" lower before you can cross. =
You
> may
> get swept away and drown (almost happened to me). When it warms up =
and
> the
> creeks start running under the snow you need to worry about falling
> through
> a thin spot into a creek. I did this, and it scared the crap out of
> me. The
> water was only knee deep, but there was a big void between the bottom
> of
> snow and the top of the water. I was up to my chest in the snow when
> my
> feet hit the creekbed. If the water had been a little deeper, the =
void
> had
> been bigger or I had fallen all the way through I could have been
> trapped
> under the snow in freezing water until I died of hypothermia. As it
> wasI
> couldn't feel my feet for a very long time after I managed to get out
> of
> that hole.
>=20
> IMHO a PCT trip is do-able with abnormally deep snow, it just becomes
> much
> harder to do a end-to-end through hike, and a trip partner becomes
> more
> important (I travelled alone). The trip is still worth taking even if
> you
> have to jump around, flip-flop, or skip sections.
>=20
> DISCLAIMER: I am an experience mountaineer, and backcountry
> skiier/snow
> camper. My opinions of difficulty may be significantly different from
> the
> normal summer backpacker.
>=20
> --
> Brick Robbins
> San Diego, CA =20
> brick@ix.netcom.com =20
> http://www.netcom.com/~brick=20
>=20
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