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[pct-l] Who Are Our Heros?
- Subject: [pct-l] Who Are Our Heros?
- From: stewjohns at comcast.net (stewjohns@comcast.net)
- Date: Wed Feb 8 15:16:04 2006
Sorry old man, but you are a victim of urban myths that spread like wildfire accross the net. Your sentiment is good, but your facts are not.
http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp
Doc Holiday
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From: hiker97@aol.com
> I might be off base here to post this on the PCT-L, but this story made me think
> very strongly about the great hikers on the PCT. The people I look up to.
> People like you, may be. Sorry for the long post. Anyway here it is:
> _______________________________________
> "Some people have been a bit offended that the actor, Lee Marvin, is
> buried in a grave alongside 3 and 4 star generals at Arlington National
> Cemetery. His marker gives his name, rank (PVT) and service (USMC).
> Nothing else. Here's a guy who was only a famous movie star who served his
> time, why the heck does he rate burial with these guys? Well, following is the
> amazing answer.
>
> I always liked Lee Marvin, but didn't know the extent of his Corps
> experiences. In a time when many Hollywood stars served their country in the
> armed forces often in rear-echelon posts where they were carefully
> protected, only to be trotted out to perform for the cameras in war bond
> promotions, Lee Marvin was a genuine hero. He won the Navy Cross at Iwo Jima.
> There is only one higher Naval award...the Medal Of Honor.
>
> If that is a surprising comment on the true character of the man, he
> credits his sergeant with an even greater show of bravery. Dialog from "The
> Tonight Show with Johnny Carson": His guest was Lee Marvin. Johnny said, "Lee,
> I'll bet a lot of people are unaware that you were a Marine in the initial
> landing at Iwo Jima...and that during the course of that action you earned the
> Navy Cross and were severely wounded."
>
> "Yeah, yeah... I got shot square in the bottom and they gave me the Cross
> for securing a hot spot about halfway up Suribachi. Bad thing about getting
> shot up on a mountain is guys getting' shot hauling you down. But,Johnny,
> at Iwo I served under the bravest man I ever knew... We both got the
> cross the same day, but what he did for his Cross made mine look cheap in
> comparison. That dumb guy actually stood up on Red beach and directed
> his troops to move forward and get the hell off the beach. Bullets flying
> by, with mortar rounds landing everywhere and he stood there as the main
> target of gunfire so that he could get his men to safety. He did this on more
> than one occasion because his men's safety was more important than his own life.
>
> That Sergeant and I have been lifelong friends. When they brought me off
> Suribachi we passed the Sergeant and he lit a smoke and passed it to me,
> lying on my belly on the litter and said, where'd they get you Lee?' Well
> Bob... if you make it home be fore me, tell Mom to sell the outhouse!"
>
> "Johnny, I'm not lying, Sergeant Keeshan was the bravest man I ever knew.
>
> The Sergeant's name is Bob Keeshan. You and the world knew him as
> Captain Kangaroo."
>
> On another note, there was this wimpy little man (who has passed away too) on
> PBS. He was gentle and quiet. Mr. Rogers is another of those you would least
> suspect of being anything but what he portrayed to our youth. But Mr. Rogers
> was a U.S. Navy Seal, combat-proven in Vietnam with over twenty-five confirmed
> kills to his name. He wore a long-sleeved sweater on TV, to
> cover the many tattoos on his forearm and biceps. He was a master in small arms
> and hand-to-hand combat, able to disarm or kill in a heartbeat.
>
> After the war Mr. Rogers became an ordained Presbyterian minister and
> therefore a pacifist. Vowing to never harm another human and also
> dedicating the rest of his life to trying to help lead children on the right
> path in
> life. He hid away the tattoos and his past life and won many hearts with his
> quiet wit and charm.
>
> America's real heroes don't flaunt what they did; they quietly go about
> their day-to-day lives, doing what they do best. They earned our respect
> and the freedoms that we all enjoy.
>
> Look around and see if you can find one of those heroes in your midst.
> Often, they are the ones you'd least suspect, but would most like to have
> on your side if anything ever happened.
> ____________________________________________
>
> Yes, the greater the hike, the more humble and unassuming the hiker. Strange
> isn't it? Mother Nature will make you humble if you have any illusions of your
> greatness. You don't conquer the trail. You ask to be part of it for a little
> while and if you are fortunate, your request is granted.
>
> My Bronze Star is small potatoes compared to so many others, just like my hiking
> accomplishments or non-accomplishments :-). There are people on this list that
> are true role models and heroes. Just my opinion.
>
> Sorry again for the long post.
>
> Your hiking buddy, Switchback
> PCT Corridor Section Hiker
>
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From: cmkudija at earthlink.net (cmkudija@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed Feb 8 15:24:43 2006
Subject: [pct-l] Who Are Our Heros?
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Switchback, Switchback, Switchback....sigh...hate to be a stickler for
authenticity, but as I believe you to be, check out what snopes.com has to
say about the story http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp ....some of
the story's true, but most of it is out of someone's imagination. Sigh.
Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija (camp stickler and obsessive-compulsive
fact-checker...)
PCT partially '94
www.pcta.org
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Dag
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Subject: [pct-l] Who Are Our Heros?
I might be off base here to post this on the PCT-L, but this story made me
think very strongly about the great hikers on the PCT. The people I look up
to. People like you, may be. Sorry for the long post. Anyway here it is:
_______________________________________
"Some people have been a bit offended that the actor, Lee Marvin, is
buried in a grave alongside 3 and 4 star generals at Arlington National
Cemetery. His marker gives his name, rank (PVT) and service (USMC).
Nothing else. Here's a guy who was only a famous movie star who served his
time, why the heck does he rate burial with these guys? Well, following is
the amazing answer.
I always liked Lee Marvin, but didn't know the extent of his Corps
experiences. In a time when many Hollywood stars served their country in
the armed forces often in rear-echelon posts where they were carefully
protected, only to be trotted out to perform for the cameras in war bond
promotions, Lee Marvin was a genuine hero. He won the Navy Cross at Iwo
Jima. There is only one higher Naval award...the Medal Of Honor.
If that is a surprising comment on the true character of the man, he
credits his sergeant with an even greater show of bravery. Dialog from "The
Tonight Show with Johnny Carson": His guest was Lee Marvin. Johnny said,
"Lee, I'll bet a lot of people are unaware that you were a Marine in the
initial landing at Iwo Jima...and that during the course of that action you
earned the Navy Cross and were severely wounded."
"Yeah, yeah... I got shot square in the bottom and they gave me the Cross
for securing a hot spot about halfway up Suribachi. Bad thing about getting
shot up on a mountain is guys getting' shot hauling you down. But,Johnny,
at Iwo I served under the bravest man I ever knew... We both got the
cross the same day, but what he did for his Cross made mine look cheap in
comparison. That dumb guy actually stood up on Red beach and directed
his troops to move forward and get the hell off the beach. Bullets flying
by, with mortar rounds landing everywhere and he stood there as the main
target of gunfire so that he could get his men to safety. He did this on
more than one occasion because his men's safety was more important than his
own life.
That Sergeant and I have been lifelong friends. When they brought me off
Suribachi we passed the Sergeant and he lit a smoke and passed it to me,
lying on my belly on the litter and said, where'd they get you Lee?' Well
Bob... if you make it home be fore me, tell Mom to sell the outhouse!"
"Johnny, I'm not lying, Sergeant Keeshan was the bravest man I ever knew.
The Sergeant's name is Bob Keeshan. You and the world knew him as
Captain Kangaroo."
On another note, there was this wimpy little man (who has passed away too)
on PBS. He was gentle and quiet. Mr. Rogers is another of those you would
least suspect of being anything but what he portrayed to our youth. But Mr.
Rogers was a U.S. Navy Seal, combat-proven in Vietnam with over twenty-five
confirmed kills to his name. He wore a long-sleeved sweater on TV, to
cover the many tattoos on his forearm and biceps. He was a master in small
arms and hand-to-hand combat, able to disarm or kill in a heartbeat.
After the war Mr. Rogers became an ordained Presbyterian minister and
therefore a pacifist. Vowing to never harm another human and also
dedicating the rest of his life to trying to help lead children on the right
path in
life. He hid away the tattoos and his past life and won many hearts with
his
quiet wit and charm.
America's real heroes don't flaunt what they did; they quietly go about
their day-to-day lives, doing what they do best. They earned our respect
and the freedoms that we all enjoy.
Look around and see if you can find one of those heroes in your midst.
Often, they are the ones you'd least suspect, but would most like to have
on your side if anything ever happened.
____________________________________________
Yes, the greater the hike, the more humble and unassuming the hiker.
Strange isn't it? Mother Nature will make you humble if you have any
illusions of your greatness. You don't conquer the trail. You ask to be
part of it for a little while and if you are fortunate, your request is
granted.
My Bronze Star is small potatoes compared to so many others, just like my
hiking accomplishments or non-accomplishments :-). There are people on
this list that are true role models and heroes. Just my opinion.
Sorry again for the long post.
Your hiking buddy, Switchback
PCT Corridor Section Hiker
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