[pct-l] Shires? Moak? Frankle? Nextec Epic Vs. Endurance

[verber at gmail.com (Mark Verber)]

I have used clothing and used shelters made with Epic. BTW: Epic comes in a
number of weights.  Personally, I wouldn't use EPIC in a shelter that was to
provide protection when an extended rain was likely.  It will wet out.  In
clothing weight I found I was getting soaked after around 1 hour in a
moderate hard rain storm.  In a shelter, I would expect full protections for
several hours. On a trip last year a friend was using a BD epic tent.  After
several  hours of rain he started to get wet, and had small pools by the
next morning after something like 10 hours of solid rain.  While I had some
condensation drip on me, I was significantly drier under my gossimar gear
spinnshelter in a locked down pitch.

On the other hand, when not expecting extended rain (say the sierras during
the summer, or winter camping in snow) I think EPIC would be pretty nice.  I
would much prefer eVENT (best material for a single wall shelter I have
seen)... but there are serious licensing, cost, and availibility issues
which makes it unlikely.

--Mark


On 1/29/06, Joseph Niemiec <whitethunder10@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For the gearheads:
>
> Just wondering about the materials Pertex Endurance fabric and Nextec
> Epic...
>
> Has anyone used these yet?  Are they hype or are they actually waterproof
> and breathable?  Any reason Epic would be a bad choice for the Tarptent
> since it is supposed to be breathable?  Too heavy?  How about compared to
> Gortex?  Breathablilty?  best applications?
>
> What do Shires, Moak, Frankle - "Shmokle", or anyone else, got to say on
> this one?
>
> Mouse
>
>
> >From: Bighummel@aol.com
> >To: PCT@DelNorteResort.Com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >CC: jomike@cot.net
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting started
> >Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:40:41 EST
> >
> >This organizer states that the donations that we request are for the
> >operation of the event, which has been widely hailed as THE best
> gathering
> >of the
> >trail community on the West coast.  We maintain a modest fund from the
> >donations
> >in order to pay ahead for the campsites, food, drinks, rented tables,
> etc.,
> >etc. and in order to have a modest insurance for that unlikely event when
> >we go
> >to the enormous extent and expense to put this event on and then a rare
> >event;
> >such as earthquake, huge storm or terrorist attack, just before the event
> >causes few or no one to show and we must eat the expenses.  Donations
> from
> >the
> >excess funds generated go to the host site of the event; Lake Morena and
> to
> >the
> >PCTA.
> >
> >As someone stated a couple years ago, the ADZPCTKO is not necessary.  It
> >has
> >been organized and put on thru the generosity of about 20+ organizers who
> >contribute a huge amount of their personal time over the coarse of a
> year,
> >without
> >ANY financial benefit, for the educational, inspirational and
> entertainment
> >benefit of those who aspire to hike this incredible resource.  We do this
> >because it is fun to see the camaraderie come together and . . .  as Ned
> >Tibbits
> >(PCT '73) said (with a tear in his eye) upon seeing and talking to so
> many
> >who
> >had hiked the trail before, "Greg, this is just, just
> unbelievable.  Since
> >1973
> >when I hiked the trail I have only encountered perhaps 2 or 3 other
> people
> >who understood what I and you understand.  You and the organizers have
> >created
> >this event where an aspiring hiker can meet 250 to 300 good people all of
> >whom
> >completely understand the passions and love."
> >
> >You may choose to see ill intent or miss-focused efforts in all of this,
> >but
> >then you would miss the true, honest intent.  The PCTA FULLY supports the
> >ADZPCTKO and feels that it is such a great event that virtually all of
> the
> >original organizers have been singled out by the organization and given
> >awards for
> >"giving back to the trail".  Not all contributions of time, effort and
> >money to
> >the trail actually go into the soil and land and maintenance, but also
> the
> >people, the passions and community.
> >
> >Perhaps you should attend just once so that you may experience this
> unique
> >feeling and understand just what and why this event continues to grow and
> >thrive.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Greg Hummel
> >
> >In a message dated 1/29/2006 2:50:15 PM Central Standard Time,
> >PCT@DelNorteResort.Com writes:
> >JoAnn, maybe we could get an answer from the organizers on this one?
> >
> >Do the ADZPCTKOP organizers encourage donations for the funding of the
> >party
> >or would they rather see those donations go to the PCTA for maintaining
> the
> >trail?
> >
> >It seems that PCT hikers and the ADZPCTKOP are dependent on the trail for
> >their existence.
> >
> >Scott Parks
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