OOPS Re: [pct-l] SFGate: Global warming stalks Yosemite..

[calliger at infolane.com (calliger@infolane.com)]

Sorry for the typoes...been up most of the night-
we have had UNUSALLY heavy rain the last two days!
and it is scarey!!


braking s/b breaking

etc.


TIA

R
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:15:35 -0800, calliger wrote
> It is fiction, but if you have not seen the
> film, "Day After Tomorrow"-- it was produced
> with climatoligists (SP??) and graphically and most
> accurately portrays one possible scenario
> of the effects of global warming.
> 
> The evidence is clear from the ozone hole to
> YNP warming, icebergs melting and emissivity levels
> at record levels worldwide.  YBP is not the only
> place experiencing 6-8 temp increase- Switzerland,
> France, etc. I was there when over 10,000 people
> died from that awful record braking heat wave a
> couple of years ago. I got so sick from it I tossed
> my cookies in Monaco hiking a very simple trail up in
> the mountains...it is REAL...it took me over a day to
> recover from heat stroke...even though I was well
> hyrdated the intense day after day heat just sucked
> your body vitals it seemed. I can clearly see why
> so many elderly and young died that year.
> 
> When I was sick it was something like never before.
> 
> I thought I was gonna die!!!
> 
> Global warming and is here.
> 
> And...
> 
> "The enemy is us"
> 
> We cannot keep our heads in the sand any longer!!
> 
> Join the Sierra Club is a good start.\
> Richard
> 
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:18:58 -0800, Jeff Moorehead wrote
> > Lars,
> >  I must take major objection to your argument. My brother has given 
> > me the same for years and it certainly makes for very lively 
> > vacation conversation. But a response is required if in fact your 
> > point of view represents even a small percentage of the non-
> > scientist's view on this matter.
> > 
> > How long are you going to insist that humans have not plagued this 
> > planet with the outlook for rapid climate change? The evidence is 
> > there and it is stark. We are placing tons of additional carbon into 
> > the atmosphere with the consequence for rapid climate change unlike 
> > any transitions seen in the past. Read the article again. There is 
> > no precedent for this rapid of warming in the earth's past. The 
> > glacial cycle periods are on the order of tens of thousands of 
> > years. In my mind, a comensurate comparison of anthropogenic change 
> > and natural climatic cycles is not possible here. This should cause 
> > you some alarm. Maybe we cannot adapt to a changing evironment no 
> > matter how much technology is thrown at the problem if the change is 
> > this precipitous.
> > 
> > I just take major objection to the argument that natural processes 
> > have resulted in similar consequences to the planet. Take the 
> > argument that volcanoes emit tons of sulfur dioxide, methane and CO2 
> > (all greenhouse gases) so we are somehow justified in releasing our 
> > share of CO2. This mollifying argument is made for the purpose of 
> > duping people into believing that humans have not transcended the 
> > earth's 'natural boundaries'. This is one flawed argument! Wow-- 
> > they have a much more severe  greenhouse effect on Venus, so what's 
> > the problem?? Last time anyone with credentials discussed the matter,
> >  there is no life on Venus and currently no life on Mars.
> > 
> > with due respect,
> >  Jeff
> > 
> > > Granted, I am not a scientist, but I think the Earth's temp goes up and 
> > > down almost like breathing.  We have had ice ages and warmer ages 
> > > throughout the planet's history and now we may be finding that the same 
> > > goes on other planets as well.  The Martian polar icecap has shrunk by 
> > > about 4% over the past decade (I don't know if it was tracked prior to 
> > > this), and to the best of anyone's knowledge, there are no Martian SUVs 
> > > being blamed for this.  Rather, scientists at NASA or JPL are saying it 
> is 
> > > solar radiation causing this phenomenon.  Is it possible that solar 
> > > radiation is a leading cause of our own global warming?  I am not 
saying 
> > > that we should be oblivious to our own behavior as individuals or as a 
> > > society, but if the leading cause is outside of our control, wouldn't 
it 
> > > be wiser to spend the resources in learning to adapt to a changing 
> > > environment?
> > 
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