[pct-l] Long pants & sleeves

[ukstoveman at hotmail.com (David Toms)]

Yup, well past mt hood by then. I'm afraid our journal isn't at 
trailjournals - i prefer the 'section' structure like Suge's journal (which 
was the best I've read) rather than the daily structure of TJ, so when I get 
round to it, I'll put it up on our homepage with the photos.

It's the sweat rather than the washing that breaks down permethrin, so the 
manufacturer might be totally honest (kinda like mineral water advertising 
itself as fat free - honest, but irrelevant). There's an enzyme on our skin 
(thus released with sweat) that breaks down permethrin hence why its no good 
to spray it on yourself for a bug repellent. As a result of this I suspect 
that washing is actually good for it as it gets rid of the sweat. Washing 
and thru-hiking have a low correlation :-)

Of course, you could just leave early in a high snow year. No bugs at all 
that way; ,my $40 on permethrin was wasted.

Dave

PS Yankee English?  Tautology methinks... :-)

>From: Wayne Kraft <wayneskraft@comcast.net>
>To: dave@davetoms.com
>CC: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Long pants & sleeves
>Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:39:54 -0800
>
>Dave,  Thank you for  the response. This couple was not Mr. and Mrs.  Toms. 
>  They were sobo with day packs and spoke yankee English. I also  think you 
>and Michele were past Mt. Hood by the end of August? For  some reason I 
>can't seem to find your journal at trailjournals.com.   Ex Officio claims 
>their permethrin will survive 25 washings.  I take  it you'd be skeptical 
>of that claim.  Poison oak protection.  Another  plus.
>
>Wayne
>
>On Nov 24, 2005, at 12:12 AM, David Toms wrote:
>
>>I was worried when reading about the two matching hikers in tan  outfits 
>>with tan tilley hats that Michele & I had appeared to age  considerably 
>>during the hike and looked like we were in our 50's by  Mt Hood. I hope it 
>>wasn't us, but we had similarly embarrassing  matching outfits - light 
>>coloured long sleeves and long pants &  tilley hats.  They started out 
>>different colours, but months of  sunbleaching, ground in dirt, and being 
>>washed together meant they  were identical by the end.
>>
>>We wore shorts for less than a day each on the whole hike - we  found 
>>being covered up reduced our exposure to poison oak, bugs and  solar 
>>radiation, and was much cooler and more comfortable. They  were also smart 
>>enough for dinner at restaurants.
>>
>>We used berghaus shirts (a UK brand, 3.5oz for Michele's, 5oz for  mine) 
>>which were permethrin impregnated (like buzz-off), fast  drying and 
>>sunproof. They lasted the whole hike with no problems  and are still 
>>wearable. If you want the buzz-off effect without the  price, you can buy 
>>permethrin from REI and impregnate your clothes  yourself. Bear in mind it 
>>gets broken down by sweat, so for a week  or so will keep the bugs away 
>>but then loses effectiveness no  matter what the manufacturers claim. I 
>>found a button shirt was  great - made it easy to adjust my temperature 
>>and was well ventilated.
>>
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