[pct-l] The Weight of Boots

[pchaskell at hotmail.com (Peter Haskell)]

Does anyone know of any rigorous research on the ipact of heavy vs. lighter 
boots/shoes. I've assumed that Jardine is right that it's particularly 
important to get boot weight down, but my stepson, a Marine Lt. Col. , 
claims that's erroneous. (He also says that the new military boot requires 
no breaking in and is the most comfortable he's ever worn.)


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>    2. Re: 2006 anyone? weather (matt maxon)
>    3. Re: Scariest Sound (Slyatpct@aol.com)
>    4. Scary trail sounds (Matt Ripperton)
>    5. '06 thruhikers (yogi)
>    6. re: 2006 anyone? (Sean Gordon)
>    7. RE: [BULK] - [pct-l] Scary trail sounds (Mike Saenz)
>    8. Re: '06 thruhikers (Jeff Moorehead)
>    9. RE: 2006 anyone? (Aaron Doss)
>   10. Re: Scariest Sound (Judson)
>   11. (no subject) (Judson)
>   12. scariest sound (JoAnn M.)
>   13. Scary sounds (Richard Woods)
>   14. Re: 2006 anyone? (Chris Harris)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:36:05 +0000
>From: shelvinrock@comcast.net
>Subject: [pct-l] '06 thruhikers
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>where are you '06 folks posting your pre-hike journals?  the pcta only 
>lists '05 [and previous years] journals, and that ultimate search - google 
>- didn't help...
>thanks... tim s.
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:09:28 -0700
>From: "matt maxon" <matt@mattmaxon.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2006 anyone? weather
>To: "Jenn Head" <jennhead22@yahoo.com>,
>	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <007f01c5a7e3$e59c2ec0$6801a8c0@putterhyper>
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>Jackalope
>I believe the chances for a better snow year a quite good (man that will
>come back to haunt me) last winter was UNUSUAL, generally a heavy year is
>followed by several years of normal or below normal precipitation. But for
>accuracy you might as well check the Old Farmers Almanac, their guess is as
>good as mine.
>Trail90
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jenn Head" <jennhead22@yahoo.com>
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:18 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] 2006 anyone?
>
>
> > Hey hikers,
> >
> > This may be premature, but is anyone palnning on thru or section hiking
>next year??? There are only 8 trailjournals for 2006 PCT hopefuls. Anyone
>out there going to be part of the class of 2006? Praying for a better snow
>year? Going to kickoff? Gearing up? NOBO? SOBO?
> >
> > My partner and I are getting married during the hike and set the date at
>August 8 based on journals from previous years (not couting years like this
>one) and what the palce had available. I am starting to worry that we won't
>be there in time. Sure we could hitch out, but it would be nice to get to
>McKenzie Pass when we plan to. Oh well.....it out of my hands now:)
> >
> > Just got our PCT data book and the two California guides. We also 
>ordered
>another JMT map pack b/c half our other set disappeared last year when our
>box home from VVR vanished. If I had Yogi's book then I would have seen VVR
>on the list of "don't mail your bounce box here" places. I was just able to
>start planning our food strategery this weekend. We are going to do a
>combination of buying and dropping.
> >
> > Can't wait to meet some of next year's hikers. So psyched about getting
>out on the trail!
> >
> > Jackalope:)
> >
> >
> >
> > Jennifer Head
> >
> > Ph.D. Candidate
> > Oregon Institute of Marine Biology
> > P.O. Box 5389
> > Charleston, Oregon 97420
> > Phone: (541) 888-2581 ext. 291
> > Fax: (541) 888-3250
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/JennandBri/
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:37:41 EDT
>From: Slyatpct@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Scariest Sound
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> > >Boom. boom, boom...soft...like a bass drum through cotton...and
> > >Skookumchuck = place of evil...haven't been there since and don't plan 
> >to
> > >go
> > >back...we all lived through the night...but what was that sound...?
> >
> > Great story! I can offer the following possibilities:
> >
>
>Or a male grouse looking to get it...
>
>http://tinyurl.com/a32j8
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Matt Ripperton <matt_ripperton@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Scary trail sounds
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>This has been an interesting thread.  I had forgotten about my scariest 
>trail sound until I read the digest today, someone said something about a 
>machine gun and someone else about Barrel Springs, at it brought this 
>rushing back...
>
>After hoofing it through the blazing hot San Fillipe Hills in May of 1998, 
>heavy load of water on my back (not as many caches back then!), I stopped 
>near Barrel Springs to camp.  I was exhausted, and soon fell deeply asleep. 
>  Next thing I know I'm sitting bolt upright, eyes about to bug out of my 
>head trying to see in the darkness, groping for the light & my glasses, all 
>because of a deafening sound outside.  The kind of sound that's so deep and 
>so loud you can actually FEEL it.  In the few seconds it took for rational 
>thought to kick in, I was sure the world was ending.
>
>Turns out it was several military helicopters flying very low, directly 
>overhead.  Those suckers are loud.
>
>Ajax
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
>From: yogi <yogihikes@sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] '06 thruhikers
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>www.trailjournals.com has the most journals.
>
>you could also check www.pcthiker.com or www.thruhiker.com.
>I think those two sites have journals also.
>
>yogi
>www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
>
>
>
>shelvinrock@comcast.net wrote:
>where are you '06 folks posting your pre-hike journals? the pcta only lists 
>'05 [and previous years] journals, and that ultimate search - google - 
>didn't help...
>thanks... tim s.
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>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:45:21 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Sean Gordon <gordonsean@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] re: 2006 anyone?
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
>I'm in for 06 as well. I plan to thru-hike NOBO
>starting around the kick-off. Got all the guide books,
>researching gear, simplifying my city life, and trying
>not to bust at the seams waiting in anticipation.
>
>Much respect to all that have done long-distant
>hiking...just getting to the trail head to undertake
>such an adventure requires a great deal of planning
>and priority readjusting.
>
>love and peace,
>
>Sean
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:00:24 -0700
>From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
>Subject: RE: [BULK] - [pct-l] Scary trail sounds
>To: "Matt Ripperton" <matt_ripperton@yahoo.com>,
>	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>Aircraft Encounter I
>I was just past 3rd Gate when I heard a jet off in the distance.
>Definitely military. The sound grew until I knew it would fly low and
>close. Very close...
> >From just over the ridge (I was about 100 feet below on the highway
>side), an A-6E roared over so low that I could see the side-by-side
>pilot/nav helmets and sun visors. The noise was deafening, even with my
>hands clapped over my ears.
>Considering Julian was about a 3 second flight from that point (the jet
>was moving from the east/northeast toward the south/southwest), the
>pilot must've been breaking some sort of flight path rule, being so
>close and low to a residential area. Ground Pounder Bill and his
>Grandson were on the trail just ahead of me.
>
>Aircraft Encounter II
>I was just scrambling back from bagging Jeans Peak (just south of San
>Jacinto Peak), when a glider sailed over and caught a thermal just above
>me. Another very close encounter. I waved at the two guys inside the
>sailplane and they waved back and "wagged" the wings at me. It was so
>close you could very easily hear the wind whooshing across the wings and
>through the vents in it's canopy! It circled and swooped over me for
>about ten minutes then dove back toward Palm Springs.
>
>I can't decide which was cooler, the military jet in all it's power, or
>the graceful and peaceful maneuvers of the sailplane.
>
>
>
>Michael Saenz, Associate Partner
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Matt
>Ripperton
>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:55 AM
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: [BULK] - [pct-l] Scary trail sounds
>
>This has been an interesting thread.  I had forgotten about my scariest
>trail sound until I read the digest today, someone said something about
>a machine gun and someone else about Barrel Springs, at it brought this
>rushing back...
>
>After hoofing it through the blazing hot San Fillipe Hills in May of
>1998, heavy load of water on my back (not as many caches back then!), I
>stopped near Barrel Springs to camp.  I was exhausted, and soon fell
>deeply asleep.  Next thing I know I'm sitting bolt upright, eyes about
>to bug out of my head trying to see in the darkness, groping for the
>light & my glasses, all because of a deafening sound outside.  The kind
>of sound that's so deep and so loud you can actually FEEL it.  In the
>few seconds it took for rational thought to kick in, I was sure the
>world was ending.
>
>Turns out it was several military helicopters flying very low, directly
>overhead.  Those suckers are loud.
>
>Ajax
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:03:53 -0700
>From: "Jeff Moorehead" <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] '06 thruhikers
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <015201c5a7fc$42933cf0$3502a8c0@LapDancer>
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>
>Is it typical to start a trail journal so early (8 months) prior to 
>starting
>out?
>
>Also, does anyone know whether it is possible, with today's new fangled
>phones (like T-mobile's Sidekick and the Palm Treo) to post to a website
>(like Trailjournals.com) directly from the device to the site. Is a 
>wireless
>internet connection mandatory or could it occur through a wireless phone
>call? Only someone who owns these phones would know this (or I guess a
>T-mobile representative in the know)....
>
>
> > www.trailjournals.com has the most journals.
> >
> > you could also check www.pcthiker.com or www.thruhiker.com.
> > I think those two sites have journals also.
> >
> > yogi
> > www.pcthandbook.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > shelvinrock@comcast.net wrote:
> > where are you '06 folks posting your pre-hike journals? the pcta only
> > lists '05 [and previous years] journals, and that ultimate search -
> > google - didn't help...
> > thanks... tim s.
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>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:22:00 -0700
>From: "Aaron Doss" <AaronD@Cadwell.com>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] 2006 anyone?
>To: "Ben Racine" <bjr214@psu.edu>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>You can add my wife and I (Nathalie and Aaron Doss).  We have started a
>trail journal but there are no entries in it yet.
>
>Expect to hear more from us the closer it gets to 06.
>
>Can't wait!
>
>Aaron Doss
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Ben Racine
>Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:33 AM
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] 2006 anyone?
>
>Just thought I'd compile the list so far:
>
>
>
>1. Paul (Toes-03)
>
>2. Pea Hicks (Girl Scout?)
>
>3. Jenn Head (Jackalope) and Brian (Eagleye)
>
>5. Ben Racine
>
>6. Jeff Morehead
>
>7. Adam Lord
>
>8. Paul Mitchell
>
>
>
>and from trail journals.
>
>
>
>9. Matt and Kathleen
>
>11. Donald Hames (Amblin' Man)
>
>12. Karl Jorgensen (Jorgy)
>
>13. Barry Morrison (Mongo)
>
>14. Renee Patrick (She-ra)
>
>
>
>"The PCT is the great equalizer anyway. We'll all be hiker trash- yeah"
>
>
>
>Well put,
>
>Ben
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:25:36 -0700
>From: Judson <judson@jeffnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Scariest Sound
>To: Pctl <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <430B4E00.70903@jeffnet.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>Scariest sound....
>
>Three friends sharing a tent at Canyon Creek Meadows, a beautiful spot
>at the northeastern base of Three Fingered Jack. About midnight, one of
>the three develops frequent and voluminous flatulence. Got to the point
>we had to kick him out (of his tent). Now that was a scary sound...
>
>Judson
>Ashland
>
>
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>
>Message: 11
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:28:27 -0700
>From: Judson <judson@jeffnet.org>
>Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
>To: Pctl <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <430B4EAB.8090906@jeffnet.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Jeff Olsen, if you're out there, contact me.
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 12
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:38:04 -0700
>From: "JoAnn M." <jomike@cot.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] scariest sound
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <009401c5a801$08f450b0$6501a8c0@joann>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I forgot to mention this in my earlier trip report but while I was out with 
>my dog Lacey on the PCT in the Marbles there was a sound in the middle of 
>the night I've yet to be able to explain.
>
>I was in my tent and Lacey right outside. About o'clock I hear this one, 
>exceedingly loud, about 2 second bang. I looked out and Lacey was bolt up 
>right. She is a bit of a coward (read - a real coward) and squeezed into 
>the tent with me. I was glad to have her there.
>
>Around here we somewhat frequently get the 'fly boys' doing maneuvers there 
>are not suppose to do. That may be what I heard - a jet sound. But, I 
>really don't know. It was not a nature/natural sound. One bolt of sound, 
>that was all. Loud as hell and I was glad I never heard it again.
>
>JoAnn
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:44:07 -0700
>From: Richard Woods <wpsnotebook@charter.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Scary sounds
>To: yogihikes@sbcglobal.net, PCT -L <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <1F7CAEFF-13F5-11DA-864C-00039384A810@charter.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>You are giving us zee codes, yes?
>drip
>drip
>drip
>
>Mo Jo
>
>
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>
>Message: 14
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:44:54 +0100
>From: Chris Harris <harriscj@fmail.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2006 anyone?
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <430AE206.6090503@fmail.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>I am ;-) Really looking forward to it. I get off work 6th of March,
>giving me sometime to make final preparation, which I will probably need
>as I'm coming from the UK! Having great fun selecting all my gear.
>
>Chris
>
>Jenn Head wrote:
>
> >Hey hikers,
> >
> >This may be premature, but is anyone palnning on thru or section hiking 
>next year??? There are only 8 trailjournals for 2006 PCT hopefuls. Anyone 
>out there going to be part of the class of 2006? Praying for a better snow 
>year? Going to kickoff? Gearing up? NOBO? SOBO?
> >
> >My partner and I are getting married during the hike and set the date at 
>August 8 based on journals from previous years (not couting years like this 
>one) and what the palce had available. I am starting to worry that we won't 
>be there in time. Sure we could hitch out, but it would be nice to get to 
>McKenzie Pass when we plan to. Oh well.....it out of my hands now:)
> >
> >Just got our PCT data book and the two California guides. We also ordered 
>another JMT map pack b/c half our other set disappeared last year when our 
>box home from VVR vanished. If I had Yogi's book then I would have seen VVR 
>on the list of "don't mail your bounce box here" places. I was just able to 
>start planning our food strategery this weekend. We are going to do a 
>combination of buying and dropping.
> >
> >Can't wait to meet some of next year's hikers. So psyched about getting 
>out on the trail!
> >
> >Jackalope:)
> >
> >
> >
> >Jennifer Head
> >
> >Ph.D. Candidate
> >Oregon Institute of Marine Biology
> >P.O. Box 5389
> >Charleston, Oregon 97420
> >Phone: (541) 888-2581 ext. 291
> >Fax: (541) 888-3250
> >
> >http://www.trailjournals.com/JennandBri/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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