signs of a seasoned thru-hiker....although my questions for 4, 7 and 9 are a bit different (and your question 4 was my original question for 4, then I thought of another question...!) Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija PCT partially '94 www.pcta.org Join Now! Never measure the height of a mountain until you have reached its top. Then you will know how low it was. Dag Hammarskjold