Fw: [pct-l] Pack animals on PCT

[pbaily at webuniverse.net (Phil Baily)]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Baily" <pbaily@webuniverse.net>
To: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pack animals on PCT


> I remember that tree from last week, but I don't remember for sure where
it
> was either. Was it along Holcomb Creek on the north side?
>                                 Phil
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
> To: "Marion Davison" <mardav@charter.net>
> Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pack animals on PCT
>
>
> > Hi All My mind isn't all together right now. I forgot to mention after
my
> > little bear springs hike about a tree down across the trail. I really
> can't
> > remember exactly where it was after little bear springs but we had to
> crawl
> > under it. I laid on my stomach with my pack on to get under it. It was
so
> > big that we could not go over it, but could go under. You can't go
around
> > it, so live stock will end up turning around. Sorry but its somewhere
> > between little bear springs and the messed up deep creek bridge. I wish
I
> > could be more specific but I don't remember. Again Sorry.   Ground
Pounder
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Marion Davison" <mardav@charter.net>
> > To: <DjgPct@aol.com>; "PCT List" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pack animals on PCT
> >
> >
> > > DjgPct@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >In a message dated 6/6/2005 4:41:50 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> > > >ECPG@peoplepc.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >They are  not motorcycles and a bad/tired/confused animal will wreck
> your
> > > >hiking  plans faster than 20 feet of snow anywhere.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >===========================================
> > > >
> > > >This reminds me of a funny story that I heard.  A local fellow who
> packs
> > > >often and has done so for years, was engaged to teach some young girl
> > campers
> > > >about packing with llamas.  He and the camp counselors planned a
long
> > weekend
> > > >trip into our nearby wilderness area, where he had packed many
times.
> > He
> > > >brought along 15 or so llamas.  About 3 hours into the  trip, all the
> > llamas sat
> > > >down.  He could not get them off the ground for  anything.  Finally
> they
> > had to
> > > >cancel the pack trip.  The girls went  home.  The llamas stayed put
> just
> > > >sitting for TWO DAYS!  Finally they  decided it was time to get up,
and
> > they did.
> > > >It was his last llama  experience!
> > > >
> > > >Betsy
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> > > During our first summer season with llamas, we planned to do a 350
mile
> > > trip.  We ended up doing only 125 miles, because one of our llamas
would
> > > go for about 4 hours, then lay down and refuse to get up.  At that
time
> > > we thought we should just be nice to our llamas and they would do what
> > > we wanted them to.  During that summer we learned how to make a llama
> > > get up.  We call that technique "spin the llama".  We retired that
> > > particular llama from the trail at the end of the season, and
henceforth
> > > never allowed our llamas to stay down.  As soon as they go down, we
get
> > > 'em back up with gradually increasing insistence tactics.  We require
> > > them to march further, then give them a break at an appropriate place.
> > > We typically will hike 8 hours a day, 4 hours in the morning, a noon
> > > break of up to two hours, and four hours in the afternoon.  This gets
us
> > > 12-16 miles depending on terrain and trail conditions.  The llamas
know
> > > they will get a noon break so they are willing to go on, and not
insist
> > > on picking their break time.  Llamas are very much creatures of habit.
> > > If you establish a routine they will follow it, and they will remember
> > > it for years.  We have routines for catching them, for hooking them
into
> > > a string, for loading and unloading, for saddling, and for hiking, and
> > > as long as we follow the routine they are highly cooperative.  It took
a
> > > full year of working together to achieve this, and also for us to
learn
> > > their capabilities, proclivities,  and limitations.
> > > llamalady
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