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[pct-l] Fishing



Hey,

I'll be hiking a good bit of Washington, and I'm wondering if anyone hikes 
the PCT with fishing gear.  I'm not looking to make mad miles, so the weight 
is not an issue.  Would it be worthwhile to bring a fly rod?  Anyone with 
any experience?  Thanks,

Adam

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>    1. kick-off auctioneer 2005 (Jennifer Stewart)
>    2. which tarptent? (alec)
>    3. Re: Getting Into Trouble on the Trail (Brian McLaughlin)
>    4. RE: WALK DVD, also on ebay (AsABat)
>    5. RE: Getting Into Trouble on the Trail (AsABat)
>    6. Re: kick-off auctioneer 2005 (Scott Herriott)
>    7. Re: WOW!! Re: [pct-l] re: sleeping bag loft (Marion Davison)
>    8. RE: WALK DVD, also on ebay (bluebrain@bluebrain.ca)
>    9. RE: WALK DVD, also on ebay (Scott Herriott)
>   10. RE: WALK DVD, also on ebay (bluebrain@bluebrain.ca)
>   11. Re: Getting Into Trouble on the Trail (Sharon & Chuck Chelin)
>   12. Re: Getting Into Trouble on the Trail (Wayne Kraft)
>   13. MP3 info (JoAnn M. Michael)
>   14. Re: MP3 info (John Vonhof)
>   15. Hammocks (Hiker97@aol.com)
>   16. I'm off - Final SOBO list (Mara Jeffress)
>   17. down vs synthetic (Shawn Loga)
>   18. Mailing denatured alcohol?? (yogi)
>   19. RE: Hammocks (Jerry Goller)
>   20. Re: which tarptent? (S Daru)
>   21. WALK DVD, also on ebay (Deems)
>   22. Getting Into Trouble on the Trail (Paul Magnanti)
>   23. Re: Mailing denatured alcohol?? (backpack45scb)
>   24. Re: down vs synthetic (Sharon & Chuck Chelin)
>   25. re: Glacier re-route (Bill McKinley)
>
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jennifer Stewart <jenstewartmu@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] kick-off auctioneer 2005
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20050604005602.84795.qmail@web14423.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Hello everyone, my name is Firefeet (AT 2003).  My
>sweety Bachelor Bob is hiking the PCT right now and
>asked me to write to you all.  He was at the Kick-Off
>weekend last April and won a Eureka tent at an
>auction.  He doesn't remember the auctioneers name but
>Bachelor Bob did give him $28.00 for the tent plus
>$5.00 for shipping it to Florida.  The tent has not
>arrived yet.  The auctioneer was tall, thin, and wore
>sunglasses.  (Sorry, I know that's not much of a
>description!)  He also emceed the Kick-Off.  If anyone
>knows who he is will you please ask him to e-mail me
>at jenstewartmu@yahoo.com?
>
>Thanks,
>Firefeet
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
>From: alec <amr10009@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] which tarptent?
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20050604010749.37068.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>looking for feedback on the cloudburst, squall2 and
>rainshadow tarptents.  my gf and i are walking the JMT
>this summer and i'm trying to settle on an appropriate
>shelter.  henry himself offered his input, but i'm
>wondering what everyone else thinks.  is the 8 extra
>oz. worth the extra room and comfort of the
>rainshadow?  any experiences and/or practical advice
>to share on these or other lightweight shelters?
>
>thanks friends!
>
>-alec
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:13:51 -0700
>From: Brian McLaughlin <bmclaughlin@bigplanet.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting Into Trouble on the Trail
>To: Ronald Moak <rmoak@sixmoondesigns.com>,	"'Eric Lee (GAMES)'"
>	<elee@microsoft.com>, bluebrain@bluebrain.ca,
>	pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <001101c568a2$adbb96b0$861e0243@brian>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> > Is an unprepared guy carrying a 20 pound pack in cold weather in any 
>more
> > danger than an unprepared guy carrying a 60 pound pack in 100 degree 
>heat?
> > On the PCT you're likely to get far more of the latter than the former.
> >
> > You just can't draw conclusion simply from the weight of one pack if 
>they
> > are likely to be in more or less danger.
>
>Actually, I don't think anyone has taken the position that
>pack weight is the be-all and end-all of how prepared
>a hiker is. All I ever said was that an ultra-light hiker needs
>to compensate for having less gear by having more
>awareness. I am all for every hiker having the largest
>possible skill set and the most keen and alert mind and
>using them wisely in all situations.
>
>Inattention kills far more people in the wilderness than a
>lack of gear ever did and gear never yet saved anyone
>who was unprepared. However, I still stand by my main
>point. which is simple enough. *All else being equal*, the
>same hiker, with the same knowledge base and the same
>experience and ability can get away with more lapses of
>attention while carrying 7 pounds of clothes and sleeping
>bag than when he carries 4 pounds of clothes and sleeping
>bag.
>
>Paying keen and strict attention is still the best predictor of
>safety and success, and everyone should make THAT their
>goal and aim, rather than sliding by with more gear and a sloppy
>attitude.
>
>I think most of the "disagreement" on this thread is really
>just a slight shift of emphasis rather than sharp differences
>in opinions.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:20:47 -0700
>From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] WALK DVD, also on ebay
>To: "'pct'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <001801c568a3$a36461f0$6401010a@TUSER>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Um, Scott Herriott IS the film's creator. I also saw he was selling his 
>film
>on EBay as well as his own website.
>
>AsABat
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Just my two bits, but his price and shipping fee are very reasonable and
> > I'd rather pay full price to the film's creator than half price for a 
>used
> > copy.  It's a nice way to show support for a great peice of work, IMHO.
>
>
> > > I picked up my copy of "Walk" the pct on ebay, and it is a great place
> > to
> > > find it much possibly cheaper than his website; and it is being 
>offered
> > by
> > > Scott Herriott on ebay.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:24:16 -0700
>From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Getting Into Trouble on the Trail
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <001901c568a4$1fdf72b0$6401010a@TUSER>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>There is a misconception that ultralighters carry less equipment that
>others. This is not necessarily true. They often just carry lighter
>equipment. For example, the Western Mountaineering Flight Jacket weighs 
>less
>than the typical fleece but is many times warmer.
>
>AsABat
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Actually, I don't think anyone has taken the position that
> > pack weight is the be-all and end-all of how prepared
> > a hiker is. All I ever said was that an ultra-light hiker needs
> > to compensate for having less gear by having more
> > awareness.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:24:23 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Scott Herriott <yetifan@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] kick-off auctioneer 2005
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20050604012423.92329.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Firefeet wrote:
>
> > He doesn't remember the auctioneers name
> > but
> > Bachelor Bob did give him $28.00 for the tent plus
> > $5.00 for shipping it to Florida.  The tent has not
> > arrived yet.  The auctioneer was tall, thin, and
> > wore
> > sunglasses.
>
>I think that was Chuckie V.  He's probably in prison
>somewhere.  Anyone have his email address?
>
>
>Squatch
>www.walkpct.com
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:22:56 -0700
>From: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>
>Subject: Re: WOW!! Re: [pct-l] re: sleeping bag loft
>To: rjc <calliger@infolane.com>,	PCT List
>	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <42A10270.9070108@charter.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>rjc wrote:
>
> > Welll- what a wonderfully **obvious** idea!! wetting it!! of
> > course...it will dry
> > (or toss it in a dryer and it will reloft) and you put it in wet?
> > Why did not I think of that!! So much better than doing it in a tent
> > with a vacuum cleaner!!
> >
> > So please...what is your procedure? I imagine to wet first so it does
> > not fly
> >  around the room, put the correct proportions in the tube?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > At 08:20 PM 6/2/2005, Marion Davison wrote:
> >
> >> We got inexpensive ($100) down bags in 1993 for summer use.  We have
> >> put about 1000 nights on them since then.  We usually zip them all
> >> the way open, zip the two together in the middle and throw the whole
> >> lot over us as a giant quilt.  They have served us well in a tent at
> >> 25 degrees overnight (high sierras July and August, San Bdno's spring
> >> and fall)
> >> Last year we sensed that they were not as warm as they once had been.
> >> So we bought 6 ounces of 800 fill down from an online supplier
> >> (thru-hiker.com) and fortified our bags in the midsection.  That is,
> >> we opened up the 4 draft tubes that cross the chest and belly area
> >> and filled each bag with 3 more ounces in those sections. We did it
> >> with a "wet-the-down" system we devised to avoid wasting any down.
> >> We were really happy with the results.  We feel like our bags have
> >> been restored to new condition.  The total cost was about $50.
> >> So you don't necessarily have to start over with new bags if you feel
> >> your bag is getting tired.  This project was done in less than a day.
> >> llamalady
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> >
>materials:
>scale
>hair clips (one for each  draft tube)
>piece of pvc pipe, a few inches long, about 1 1/2 inch diameter
>bucket
>small containers, equal in size and construction (we used plastic
>freezer containers), one for each tube you will be filling.
>seam ripper
>sewing machine
>
>Fill the bucket mostly full of water.  Carefully open the bag of down
>and push it down into the water so it becomes saturated.  Let it soak
>while you proceed.
>
>Open the tubes you want to fill, one at a time, with the seam ripper,
>just large enough so you can insert the pvc pipe.  Close the tube
>temporarily with a hair clip.
>
>Use the scale and the small containers.  Pick up handfuls of wet down,
>squeeze out excess water, put in containers.  Keep adding handfuls of
>down to containers in handfuls so that the containers are all equal
>weight when all the down is distributed.
>
>Do one tube at a time.  Insert the pipe into the opening, stuff the wet
>down from one container thru the pipe into the sleeping bag.  Reclose
>the tube with the hair clip.  Continue, filling the rest of the tubes
>one at a time.
>
>Take the bag to the sewing machine and resew the tubes at the end, one
>tube at a time.   The hair clips keep each tube closed until you are
>ready to sew.
>
>Let the bag hang to dry, then fluff it in a clothes dryer on the cool
>setting.
>
>llamalady
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:44:39 -0700 (PDT)
>From: bluebrain@bluebrain.ca
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] WALK DVD, also on ebay
>To: "'pct'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
>	<10230.209.53.146.129.1117849479.squirrel@mail.wedohosting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> > Um, Scott Herriott IS the film's creator. I also saw he was selling his
> > film on EBay as well as his own website.
>
>I was responding to what I thought was a suggestion that there were used
>copies available cheaper on ebay from sellers other than Herriott, but
>really, it's a moot point ... how many people could possibly be crazy
>enough to want to sell their WALK DVD???
>
>Paul
>
>- nine out of ten Americans poop sinkers
>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> Just my two bits, but his price and shipping fee are very reasonable 
>and
> >> I'd rather pay full price to the film's creator than half price for a
> >> used
> >> copy.  It's a nice way to show support for a great peice of work, IMHO.
> >
> >
> >> > I picked up my copy of "Walk" the pct on ebay, and it is a great 
>place
> >> to
> >> > find it much possibly cheaper than his website; and it is being
> >> offered
> >> by
> >> > Scott Herriott on ebay.
> >
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Scott Herriott <yetifan@yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] WALK DVD, also on ebay
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20050604015936.1250.qmail@web54504.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>bluebrain wrote:
>
>
> > I was responding to what I thought was a suggestion
> > that there were used
> > copies available cheaper on ebay from sellers other
> > than Herriott, but
> > really, it's a moot point ... how many people could
> > possibly be crazy
> > enough to want to sell their WALK DVD???
>
>
>Also, if you get lost, they make nifty signalling
>devices.
>
>
>Squatch
>www.walkpct.com
>
>
>
>--- bluebrain@bluebrain.ca wrote:
>
> > > Um, Scott Herriott IS the film's creator. I also
> > saw he was selling his
> > > film on EBay as well as his own website.
> >
> > I was responding to what I thought was a suggestion
> > that there were used
> > copies available cheaper on ebay from sellers other
> > than Herriott, but
> > really, it's a moot point ... how many people could
> > possibly be crazy
> > enough to want to sell their WALK DVD???
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > - nine out of ten Americans poop sinkers
> >
> >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> Just my two bits, but his price and shipping fee
> > are very reasonable and
> > >> I'd rather pay full price to the film's creator
> > than half price for a
> > >> used
> > >> copy.  It's a nice way to show support for a
> > great peice of work, IMHO.
> > >
> > >
> > >> > I picked up my copy of "Walk" the pct on ebay,
> > and it is a great place
> > >> to
> > >> > find it much possibly cheaper than his website;
> > and it is being
> > >> offered
> > >> by
> > >> > Scott Herriott on ebay.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:03:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: bluebrain@bluebrain.ca
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] WALK DVD, also on ebay
>To: "Scott Herriott" <yetifan@yahoo.com>
>Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
>	<9482.209.53.146.129.1117850582.squirrel@mail.wedohosting.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
>See, there you go!  Really, a copy of WALK is an essential peice of
>survival equipment when hiking the trail!
>
>How else will you send light signals to your buddies when you've spotted a
>sasquatch?
>
>Paul
>
> > Also, if you get lost, they make nifty signalling
> > devices.
> >
> >
> > Squatch
> > www.walkpct.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --- bluebrain@bluebrain.ca wrote:
> >
> >> > Um, Scott Herriott IS the film's creator. I also
> >> saw he was selling his
> >> > film on EBay as well as his own website.
> >>
> >> I was responding to what I thought was a suggestion
> >> that there were used
> >> copies available cheaper on ebay from sellers other
> >> than Herriott, but
> >> really, it's a moot point ... how many people could
> >> possibly be crazy
> >> enough to want to sell their WALK DVD???
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> - nine out of ten Americans poop sinkers
> >>
> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> Just my two bits, but his price and shipping fee
> >> are very reasonable and
> >> >> I'd rather pay full price to the film's creator
> >> than half price for a
> >> >> used
> >> >> copy.  It's a nice way to show support for a
> >> great peice of work, IMHO.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> > I picked up my copy of "Walk" the pct on ebay,
> >> and it is a great place
> >> >> to
> >> >> > find it much possibly cheaper than his website;
> >> and it is being
> >> >> offered
> >> >> by
> >> >> > Scott Herriott on ebay.
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> > pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> >>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:41:49 -0700
>From: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting Into Trouble on the Trail
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <003101c568ae$f6169340$842279a5@chelin>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Good evening, all,
>
>This is a good thread because it caused me to pause for a moment and 
>reflect
>upon the more-than-a-few times that I've been distressed or at risk in the
>wilderness over the last nearly 50 years.   Such a review is about as much
>fun as biting on a sore tooth, but it is often necessary if we are to truly
>learn from our "experience".
>
>In every instance that I can recall, my conclusion is that I had screwed-up
>somehow with poor headwork rather than because of a lack of "things".  Now
>days, whenever I approach a potentially troublesome situation I remind
>myself of my favorite John Wayne quote and proceed accordingly.
>
>Good judgment doesn't only apply to on-trail situations, it also applies to
>the selection of gear at home.  At the recent TrailFest in Portland Glen 
>Van
>Peski had a well-reasoned presentation on the ultralite philosophy.  It's
>something that I have been doing for years, but his angle was great.  We've
>all heard of the unfortunate need for medical triage during some kind of a
>disaster, right?  Think of potential wilderness situations the same way:
>There are a few bad things out in the wilderness that can kill you no 
>matter
>how much gear you carry, so don't spend time worrying about them.  On the
>other end of the scale, there are also lots of things that won't kill you
>even if you have little, or no, gear.  The eventualities to really consider
>are the ones in the middle, the ones that can be directly affected by gear.
>For those you provide, not with over-kill, but with just enough to get by.
>
>Ain't dead yet .
>
>Steel-Eye
>
>
>"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
>- John Wayne
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:51:43 -0700
>From: "Wayne Kraft" <waynekraft@verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting Into Trouble on the Trail
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000c01c568c1$1bd99bb0$6701a8c0@VALUEDEB5B1687>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>	reply-type=original
>
>Barry LaPatner, a lawyer of all things, is credited with the quotation,
>"Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad
>judgment." The trick for us is to survive our episodes of bad judgment long
>enough for our experience to develop good judgment. God help us.
>
>Wayne Kraft
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:55:55 -0700
>From: "JoAnn M. Michael" <jomike@cot.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] MP3 info
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <005a01c568c1$b0b1b420$6501a8c0@yourxhtr8hvc4p>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>"Personally I have a Creative TX FM 256mb MP3 player with internal flash 
>memory."
>
>Now I know I'm old!
>
>JoAnn
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 14
>Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:11:36 -0700
>From: John Vonhof <johnvonhof@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] MP3 info
>To: "JoAnn M. Michael" <jomike@cot.net>,
>	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <BEC68618.9FA4%johnvonhof@comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> > "Personally I have a Creative TX FM 256mb MP3 player with internal flash
>memory."
>
>
>I check http://www.woot.com almost every day. They put up one item a day 
>for
>sale and post it until inventory sells out. Tuesday I bought a Rio Forge 
>MP3
>Player, 128MB, refurbished for 50.00. The 20.00 rebate lowers the price to
>30.00. You can buy a 512MB SD card for as low as 30.00 with rebates. That's
>60.00 for a good little player with FM radio. Can't beat that.
>
>John Vonhof
>http://www.footworkpub.com
>Fixing Your Feet: Prevention and Treatments for Athletes, 3rd edition
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>
>Message: 15
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 01:16:03 EDT
>From: Hiker97@aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Hammocks
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Cc: carolwbruno@yahoo.com, J.Hannah@marelich.com
>Message-ID: <14.469a1b83.2fd29313@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>For the last several years backpacking hammocks were the rage.  I don't
>remember seeing a demonstration this year at the April Kickoff.  Is 
>everyone still
>using them that bought them?  I just wondered what happened.
>
>Cheers, Switchback
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 16
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:25:39 -0700
>From: Mara Jeffress <mara@jeffress.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] I'm off - Final SOBO list
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <ba78da26364001c54f09f47402753f49@jeffress.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=WINDOWS-1252;	format=flowed
>
>HI all,
>
>Thanks for 7 months of great advice, super secret hints and good
>discussions.  PCT-L is the best PCT resource I have had in all my
>planning.  After a 4 day set back due to a last minute stomach flu, I'm
>off to hike Stehekin to Snoqualimie before hopping up to Manning with
>the SOBO pack.  I'll post a trail report before I go to Manning on the
>15th.  Here is the final SOBO list before I depart:
>
>Happy trails,
>Mara
>
>Mara Jeffress
>mara@jeffress.net
>http://jeffress.net/mara/1000miles.html
>www/trailjournals.com/mara
>
>NAME			LEAVE MANNING 	EMAIL________________
>Highlander?			May 15? (FF)
>Travis Anderson (d=rt)	May 29 (section)
>Nathan Young			June 3-4		ny74@hotmail.com
>Ken Davis			early June (FF)	kgdavis970@earthlink.net
>Elizabeth			June 6	(FF)		elizabeth_morton@hotmail.com
>Kevin Ragan			June 8			kevin.ragan@hotpop.com
>Tasha Wyatt			June 6-11		tasha.wyatt@gmail.com
>Rick Always (Osprey)	June 8 (FF)		osprey@att.net
>John and Dawn		June 9			wehike2@yahoo.com
>Terry Thompson		June 9			sd_ghost@cox.net
>Jeffrey Olson			June 10		jjolson@uwyo.edu
>Ben Saltoun			June 10		bensaddress@ml1.net
>
>Charlie Williston		June 15		chomtrey@hotmail.com
>Marge (the old gal) +Jana	June 15 (section)	marge@prothman.org
>Roni H. 				 June 15 (section)	roni_h3000@yahoo.com
>   & John Calhoun (Mother Nature?s Son)
>Terri 				June 15		sevenon7th@yahoo.com
>Mara Jeffress			June 15 (mini-flip)	mara@jeffress.net
>Melanie and Mac Sloan	June 15
>Warner Spring Monty		June 15 (FF)		metam01@earthlink.net
>Lookout (Connie) 		June 16 (FF)
>& Mongous (Alex)
>Eric and April Lehman	mid June (FF)		e_lehman@theory.csail.mit.edu
>
>Jeremy (the Wolf) +1		Late June (FF)		retsofymerej@gmail.com
>Jocelyn Gruber		Late June		gruberj@oes.edu
>Paul F. (Capt. Bivy)		July 15 (section)	pfreiman@ucsd.edu
>Glen Hubble (Chance)?	early August (section)	glenhubbell@yahoo.com
>
>Total hikers = 32 , FF = flip flop, section = section hiker
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 17
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:46:23 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Shawn Loga <smashnationalism@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] down vs synthetic
>To: pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <20050604054624.10850.qmail@web60717.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>there has been a lot of talk recently about sleeping
>bags, and i thought i'd tag another question onto the
>string:
>
>I am a vegan (four years and running) and therefore
>will not buy a down bag.  Is there anything else that
>compares? I've heard that some down bags compress to
>the size of a loaf of bread- is that possible with a
>synthetic?
>
>Anyways, i was just wondering...
>
>Shawn
>
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>
>Message: 18
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 23:11:36 -0700 (PDT)
>From: yogi <yogihikes@sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Mailing denatured alcohol??
>To: Geoffrey Selling <geoffreys@gfsnet.org>,
>	pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20050604061136.14123.qmail@web81501.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Ken & Marcia Powers have a good page with information about mailing fuel.  
>Check it out here:
>
>http://www.gottawalk.com/shipping_fuel.htm
>
>Be sure to scroll down to the very bottom to the "What this means to us" 
>part.
>
>BTW, Ken and Marcia are walking the American Discovery Trail this summer, 
>and I'm lucky enough to be hosting them right now!  This is my one and only 
>chance to angel, considering that I live in Kansas
>
>yogi
>www.pcthandbook.com
>
>
>
>
>Geoffrey Selling <geoffreys@gfsnet.org> wrote:
>Can you mail denatured alcohol to yourself in resupply boxes? Geoffrey 
>(Philadelphia)
>
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>Message: 19
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 00:32:53 -0600
>From: "Jerry Goller" <jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Hammocks
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <20050604063347.3BC8E1D08A@edina.hack.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>  Tom Hennessey didn't go to the Kick Off this year.
>
>Jerry
>
>
>http://www.BackpackGearTest.org : the most comprehensive interactive gear
>reviews and tests on the planet.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Hiker97@aol.com
>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:16 PM
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Cc: carolwbruno@yahoo.com; J.Hannah@marelich.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Hammocks
>
>For the last several years backpacking hammocks were the rage.  I don't
>remember seeing a demonstration this year at the April Kickoff.  Is 
>everyone
>still using them that bought them?  I just wondered what happened.
>
>Cheers, Switchback
>
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>
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>
>Message: 20
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:05:36 +0200
>From: S Daru <darudiva@xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] which tarptent?
>To: PCT list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <e04a890b28348f22ca9e071e6e0c961d@xs4all.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>Hi Alec,
>
>I hiked the JMT with my bf and we were extremely happy with the
>Cloudburst. For us, it had enough space. It also kept us safe in the
>snow. See http://www.xs4all.nl/~darudiva for some pictures. We loved
>the hooped front as it provided much more headroom. The extended beak
>helps a lot to keep the rain out.
>
>Have fun!
>Saskia
>
>On Jun 4, 2005, at 3:07, alec wrote:
>
> > looking for feedback on the cloudburst, squall2 and
> > rainshadow tarptents.  my gf and i are walking the JMT
> > this summer and i'm trying to settle on an appropriate
> > shelter.  henry himself offered his input, but i'm
> > wondering what everyone else thinks.  is the 8 extra
> > oz. worth the extra room and comfort of the
> > rainshadow?  any experiences and/or practical advice
> > to share on these or other lightweight shelters?
> >
> > thanks friends!
> >
> > -alec
> >
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>saskiadaru@xs4all.nl
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 21
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:21:50 -0700
>From: "Deems" <losthiker@sisqtel.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] WALK DVD, also on ebay
>To: "pct" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000f01c56910$c0a4b4a0$95591fd0@S0029439031>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I agree that the Walk dvd is worth the price on his website, but I sell on
>ebay which gives me paypal barter that I can use to get other nice items. I
>used the buy-it-now at $13. I also saw others bidding his dvd up above his
>website price, so there is an incentive for Scott to sell on ebay, and his
>market exposure is greatly expanded. Ebay is also the best place to pick up
>every edition of the PCT guidebooks from 1973 to the current at insanely 
>low
>prices.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Just my two bits, but his price and shipping fee are very reasonable and
>I'd rather pay full price to the film's creator than half price for a used
>copy.  It's a nice way to show support for a great peice of work, IMHO.
>
>For that matter, I'd be happy to make a paypal donation to Weathercarrot
>for his disc if he's taking them.
>
>Now, if you're talking about sneaking into a theatre to avoid spending $12
>to see Paramount's latest craptastic offering, that's a different story.
>
>Paul
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
> > I picked up my copy of "Walk" the pct on ebay, and it is a great place 
>to
> > find it much possibly cheaper than his website; and it is being offered 
>by
> > Scott Herriott on ebay.   The Walk dvd is very inspirational. W'Carrots 
>is
> > too! and hopefully there will more coming this year, in the year of the
> > great snow.
> > http://www.walkpct.com/
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 22
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 07:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Getting Into Trouble on the Trail
>To: PCT MailingList <pct-l@backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <20050604143449.57082.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>re: lightweight gear
>
>Heavyweight or lightweight...doesn't matter. If a
>person does not know how to use their gear they are
>SOL.
>
>A true lightweight backpacker does not eschew need
>gear (like shelter) to save weight. A lightweight
>backpacker will take all they gear they need and no
>more.
>
>Many lightweight backpackers tend to be more
>experienced (not always, esp. among new thru-hikers at
>times) and have the chops to backup their minimalist
>approach.
>
>Ulitmately, the best piece of gear is is what is in
>the grey matter. It allows a hiker to adapt, thrive
>and survive.
>
>Finally..a few fitting words from Cactus Ed:
>
>"A  venturesome minority will always be eager to set
>off on their own,
>and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let
>them take risks, for godsake,
>
>let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten
>by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the
>right and privilege of any free American."
>
>--Ed Abbey
>
>
>************************************************************
>The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a 
>portion of the rainbow I have clutched
>--Thoreau
>http://www.magnanti.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 23
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:45:43 -0700
>From: backpack45scb <rbalcorn@gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Re: Mailing denatured alcohol??
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <aeff7eb40506040845665017a1@mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>See Ken Powers website on this http://www.gottawalk.com/shipping_fuel.htm 
>It
>has to go surface mail, have special labeling, container restrictions, etc.
>I mailed a can wrapped heavily in paper towels, inside a gallon ziplock,
>inside a larger box stuffed with newspaper. It did leak, but was totally
>absorbed by the paper towels.
>
>--
>Ralph Alcorn
>http://www.backpack45.com/camino2.html
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 24
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:46:31 -0700
>From: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] down vs synthetic
>To: "Shawn Loga" <smashnationalism@yahoo.com>,	"pct-l"
>	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <000801c5691c$95e2d9c0$b92179a5@chelin>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Good morning, Shawn,
>
>The space into which a bag can be compressed is highly overrated as a
>desirably indicator, and is a tertiary consideration, at best.  The primary
>consideration is the thickness of  the bag structure on top of you.  If you
>fluff-up the bag and measure its total thickness you are being misled
>because the bottom layer becomes nearly flat as soon as you lay on it.  
>That
>is why robes (quilts, etc) and bags without bottom insulation are popular:
>They put the expensive insulation only on the top where it will do some
>good.
>
>The secondary consideration is the total weight of the bag that has the top
>loft that you need.  The non-insulation portions of bags don't vary much,
>but down insulation will weigh abut half of what synthetic insulation 
>weighs
>for a given loft. A qualified bag filled with down may compress to 2 
>liters,
>while a synthetic bag of comparable loft may compress to 4-5 liters.  So
>what?  That is not necessarily a show-stopper, but it invariably adds
>weight.  I try to compress my bag as little as possible by just cramming it
>into the pack to fill whatever space remains after the other stuff is
>loaded.  Approaching a resupply point with minimum consumables, the bag may
>expand to fill 20 liters, but it still doesn't weigh any more.
>
>  Some lightweight bags are rather skimpy in size, so be sure you have
>sufficient space before you shell-out for the very lightest.
>
>I am an omnivore rather than a vegan, so I can't relate to the objection to
>down.  I don't imagine you intend to eat the stuff.  Almost all commercial
>down is taken from live birds, in a similar way that wool is removed from
>sheep.  The unwilling donors end up lighter and  highly indignant, but they
>walk away and get on with their lives.
>
>Steel-Eye
>
>
>"Do what I do .... like you would do it."
>-  Alan Cohen
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shawn Loga" <smashnationalism@yahoo.com>
>To: "pct-l" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:46 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] down vs synthetic
>
>
> > there has been a lot of talk recently about sleeping
> > bags, and i thought i'd tag another question onto the
> > string:
> >
> > I am a vegan (four years and running) and therefore
> > will not buy a down bag.  Is there anything else that
> > compares? I've heard that some down bags compress to
> > the size of a loaf of bread- is that possible with a
> > synthetic?
> >
> > Anyways, i was just wondering...
> >
> > Shawn
> >
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>
>Message: 25
>Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:03:58 -0700
>From: "Bill McKinley" <billmckinley@seanet.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] re: Glacier re-route
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <001201c5691f$1afc1d40$4435fea9@athlon>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> >I wonder if anyone heading south from the border intends to take the 
>regular
> >PCT around Glacier Peak and ford the Suiattle River and Milk Creek, what 
>I
> >think are likely the two most dangerous crossings...
>
> >If not, has anyone thought of walking down the Suiattle River to the 
>bridge
> >just a mile or so from the trailhead that crosses the river and heads up
> >Milk Creek? Wouldn't this avoid both crossings? (provided the downstream
> >bridge is still there - anyone know?)
>
> >Jeff Olson
> >bend Or
>
>
>Sorry Jeff, but BOTH bridges on the Suiattle River were wiped out 
>(including the one near the trailhead). And the bridge on the Suiattle 
>River Road leading to the trailhead from Darrington was wiped out too. So 
>you would not be able to hitch out to Darrington to resupply as some people 
>do.
>
>Here is a link for scheduled repair of bridges in the area:
>
>http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mbs/conditions/trail-flood-damage-status.shtml
>
>These bridges will not be repaired until the 2006 season.
>
>Even if you managed to ford both the Suiattle and Milk Creek, you would 
>also have to ford the White Chuck which is probably worse than Milk Creek.
>
>
>
>I'd stick with the alternative route.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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