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- Subject: [pct-l] Trail Access From Salem
- From: scottie.wujcik at hp.com (Wujcik, Scott A)
- Date: Tue Mar 15 18:31:53 2005
The closest point to access the PCT from Salem is to drive East on
Highway 22 towards Bend. You will go through places like Stayton, Mill
City, Detroit, and then as you are getting near the top of the pass,
just past the Hoodoo Ski area (on the south side of Hwy 22) watch for
signs on the North side of Hwy 22 indicating the PCT parking lot. It's
not very far. A couple of years ago we had a huge fire go through the
area, so scenery may be limited to burnt trees and new growing ground
plants. I live in Salem, and frequently hike that area, or at least I
did until the fire went through 2 summers ago. From Salem to the PCT
parking lot is approximately 86 miles. The town of Sisters is about
twenty miles farther East, and Bend is about another twenty miles past
that. If you need any other information contact me off line at
scottie.wujcik@hp.com or call me at work at 541-715-5542 by Thursday
5:15pm PST.
Scottie,
3Lungs
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: stoveless hike (Glen Hubbell)
2. Trail access from Salem? (Jon Lovejoy)
3. Re: Trail access from Salem? (Bob Bankhead)
4. Re: alcohol/heet at Cajon Pass (Maury Schwenkler)
5. RE: Water Report -- Section A (Frank Dumville)
6. for jon lovejoy (yogi)
7. Re: warning for people doing a flip flop (Matt Bradley)
8. Tunes (JAMES)
9. Re: Re: [pct-l] pct (Bruce Harvey)
10. tunes (Catra Corbett)
11. RE: Water Report -- Section A (Monty Tam)
12. Poncho/Tarp plans Material Sources (Monty Tam)
13. Re: Poncho/Tarp plans Material Sources (Michael Lissner)
14. Crampons and Ice Axe Testing, Playing, Etc. (Michael Lissner)
15. Re: Re: [pct-l] pct (Kraig Mottar)
16. Re: great walkin' songs (BSANDERS5@satx.rr.com)
17. Re: shakedown hike (Carl & Judy Rush)
18. Re: Poncho/Tarp plans Material Sources (Sharon & Chuck Chelin)
19. My Experience with Crampons (Ken Davis)
20. RE: Hiking in Big Bear (AsABat)
21. Re: Tunes (Eric Yakel)
22. tunes (Paul Magnanti)
23. Re: Tunes (Matt Bradley)
24. RE: tunes (Monty Tam)
25. stoveless hiking (Matt Ripperton)
26. Fw: sings (JoAnn M. Michael)
27. mini-van question (JoAnn M. Michael)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:03:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Glen Hubbell <glenhubbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] stoveless hike
To: Alex Meek <meek_alex@yahoo.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Eat lots of energy bars. If you have trouble digesting
milk, watch out for the energy bars with big protein
numbers.
Chance
PCT 03 & 04
--- Alex Meek <meek_alex@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have been considering going stoveless on my Crater
> Lake to Canada hike this summer. Not neccesarily for
> weight savings, I just dont want the burden of a
> stove/fuel/cooking, and I think it would be fun and
> interesting. Does anyone have experience with this?
> What types of foods do you reccomend for suffecient
> energy and taste? I will bring a small pot/cup to
> use over a cook fire every once in a while.
>
> Alex
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:25:08 -0800
From: "Jon Lovejoy" <jon@lovejoyart.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Trail access from Salem?
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Hey folks,
I'm going to be in Salem Oregon this weekend, looking for the quickest
way to get to the PCT (driving). Any other good hikes south of the
Columbia Gorge? Anyone interested in a dayhike?
Thanks,
Molasses
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:51:32 -0800
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail access from Salem?
To: "Jon Lovejoy" <jon@lovejoyart.com>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Go south on Interstate Hwy 5 to Hwy 22 (Santiam Hwy)
Go east on 22 through Detroit and south to hwy 20 junction.
Go east on hwy 20 to the PCT trailhead parking lot at Santiam Pass.
Suggest you go north on PCT from there. Good hiking 1.4 miles to the
Santiam
Lakes Trail 3491 junction. Leave the PCT here and head left on 3491 into
the
eight Lakes Basin or stay on the PCT and climb up towards Three Fingered
Jack.
Wandering Bob
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From: "Jon Lovejoy" <jon@lovejoyart.com>
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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Trail access from Salem?
> Hey folks,
>
> I'm going to be in Salem Oregon this weekend, looking for the quickest
> way to get to the PCT (driving). Any other good hikes south of the
> Columbia Gorge? Anyone interested in a dayhike?
>
> Thanks,
> Molasses
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:00:59 +0000
From: "Maury Schwenkler" <hungry10@hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Re: alcohol/heet at Cajon Pass
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Looks like I picked the wrong year to thru-hike. Snow, fires, and no
alcohol.
Yogi, when do you publish the guide to trail town bars that don't ask
for
ID?
Message: 13
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:55:59 -0800
From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] alcohol/heet at Cajon Pass
To: "PCT_Mailing_List" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Ya'll just gotta hit the Raccoon Saloon while you're there. Morris and I
were really impressing the natives with our drinking ability...right up
until we each fell off of our barstools ;-)
I collected T-shirts from each town's watering holes and mailed them
home...I really love my collection and they are great conversation
starters...
Redwood
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To: "Rudolph Duda" <Rud_dud45@hotmail.com>; "PCT_Mailing_List"
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: [pct-l] alcohol/heet at Cajon Pass
>Wrightwood is a pretty cool town! Good food, good beer, nice people!
>
>yogi
>www.pcthandbook.com
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:11:34 -0800
From: "Frank Dumville" <fdumville@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Water Report -- Section A
To: "Phil Baily" <pbaily@webuniverse.net>, "PCT-L"
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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There should be no snow in the Laguna Mountains now.
The following link has Mount Laguna and Mount Laguna Observatory web
cams.
http://archive.hpwren.ucsd.edu/cameras/
I was in the Lagunas 2 weeks ago and did a small section of the trail.
The water pipe at the GATR junction was turned off. This may be done
during
the winter so the pipe doesn't freeze.
There was water flowing in the washes up in the Lagunas then.
Frank
> [Original Message]
> From: Phil Baily <pbaily@webuniverse.net>
> To: PCT-L <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: 3/14/2005 7:16:57 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Water Report -- Section A
>
> Monty,
>
> Glad to hear that Barrel Spring is in better shape. If you don't mind,
I
have some questions re:Laguna to Scissors Crossing.
>
> 1. Any problems with the trail?
>
> 2. I don't live down there and I know that 6000' is above snow level
in
some places. Is there any snow on the trail at the higher elevations?
>
> 3. Any water on that section of the trail?
>
> I'm thinking of walking that section soon. Thanks for your help.
>
>
Phil
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:14:50 -0800 (PST)
From: yogi <yogihikes@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] for jon lovejoy
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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you emailed me privately, but when I responded it was
bounced back as undeliverable. So here's my answer to
your question:
---------------------------------------------------
That's the trail south of the Columbia Gorge you're
looking for. Honestly, I thought that post you made
was a joke --- how could you NOT know about the Eagle
Creek Trail?
The picture is Tunnel Falls. It's on the Eagle Creek
Trail, about 8-9 miles south of the interstate.
yogi
www.pcthandbook.com
Jon Lovejoy <jon@lovejoyart.com> wrote:
Yogi,
I remember seeing a picture of you hiking under a waterfall along the
PCT. Where is that section of trail?
Thanks & hope all's well,
Molasses
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:17:43 -0800
From: "Matt Bradley" <bodhisattvavow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] warning for people doing a flip flop
To: "Mark Wright" <sparkymeister@gmail.com>, "PCT-L"
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV182F69D31EF91BDF16144FCC570@phx.gbl>
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"It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving
vehicle, unless the target is a whale."
Actually, this is quite thoughtful. It prevents people from poaching
out of
their 4X4s without interfering with whaling. After all, when was the
last
time you were ina stationary boat?
Peace and Love,
Matt
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:31:49 -0800
From: JAMES <jas8313@adelphia.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Tunes
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050315062630.RDID4618.mta13.adelphia.net@sir-james>
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Here is the one Song that everyone should start their hike with and it
works
for both starts from Mexico or Canada
AMERICA by Neil Diamond
SirJames from Southern California
Candidate ... PCT Class of 2008
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:40:36 -0800
From: "Bruce Harvey" <bharve@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [pct-l] pct
To: "Kraig Mottar" <kraig.mottar@verizon.net>, "Wayne Kraft"
<waynekraft@verizon.net>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Kraig,
Your plan for getting out and gradually increasing time and distance is
an
excellent and commendable way to start the healthy hiking habit !
You asked about getting from Palm Springs to the aerial tram. I haven't
first hand knowledge regarding that, but imagine there might be bus
service
between Palm Springs and the tram that could be part of a package that
includes tram fare. There may also be taxi service, although that could
be
a bit pricey (along with the tram).
If you can get to the tram and ride it, the mountain (upper station) is
within Mt. San Jacinto State Park. The park has many hiking rails in
beautiful alpine country. The Park has a free map that shows the
trails.
You can get a copy by writing to Mt. San Jacinto State Park, P.O. Box
308,
Idyllwild, CA 92549,
or by phoning (760) 767-5311. You can view info on the park (and
others) by
scrolling on the web page http://www.parks.ca.gov/park_gis_maps.asp
Many people who hike the trail also post their trail journals. Reading
a
few journals is a good way to answer many questions you may have, like
layover rest stops in towns. An extensive collection of journals and
links
to journals can be accessed from the web page
http://www.trailjournals.com/journals.cfm
To read PCT journals from last year, click 2004 in the upper part of the
page, then scroll through the alphabetically listed trails to get down
to
the Pacific Crest Trail (about 80% of the way down the page.) Then pick
one
or another of the colorful hiker 'trail names' start reading their 2004
journal.
Very few people who hike long trails like the PCT in bits and pieces
post
journals. However, Many more people do hike in bits and pieces than
people
who hike semi-continuously, so you're in lots of company.
Regards,
Bruce
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:26:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Catra Corbett <catrarunner@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] tunes
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20050315072658.66117.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>
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boulevard of broken dreams.... Green Day
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:56:31 -0800
From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Water Report -- Section A
To: "Phil Baily" <pbaily@webuniverse.net>, "pct-l"
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <410-2200532157563115@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> Monty,
>
> Glad to hear that Barrel Spring is in better shape. If you don't mind,
I
have some questions re:Laguna to Scissors Crossing.
>
> 1. Any problems with the trail?
Trail maintenence is unbelievable. Trails are well manicured.
> 2. I don't live down there and I know that 6000' is above snow level
in
some places. Is there any snow on the trail at the higher elevations?
No Snow. Dry trails.
>
> 3. Any water on that section of the trail?
See the water report at www.4jeffrey.net ..... Lots of water. 13 miles
is
the longest stretch without water. There's a 10 before that. Mostly
five
or less. The water report for that section was updated yesterday.
>
> I'm thinking of walking that section soon. Thanks for your help.
Soon is good. The heat has started to rise.
Hope this helps
Warner Springs Monty
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:19:13 -0800
From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Poncho/Tarp plans Material Sources
To: "pct list" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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I can't find the poncho/tarp plans I previously found on the internet.
I need detailed drawings of how the hood fits on the tarp. I'll need
extra strength there.
I also need sources for Ultra, ultralight gear material.................
snaps, straps, clips, buckles. backing material ........ maybe
Spinncloth too.
Also ultralight balaclava information including, especially, the weight.
Off list is fine.
Thanks
Warner Springs Monty
Monty Tam
metam01@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:43:18 -0800
From: Michael Lissner <mlissner@aidshike.org>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poncho/Tarp plans Material Sources
To: PCT List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <4236A026.2060700@aidshike.org>
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If you're interested in making a balaclava, my site has some quick and
dirty instructions on it:
http://www.aidshike.org/PCT/sewnstuff/balaclava.htm
I know this sounds weird, but don't worry about the weight of it.
There's no way to make it lighter without making it out of a thinner
fabric, and the fabric you want is the Polartec 200 weight. So just get
some fleece and make it. The resulting weight will be the best it can
be.
-mike
www.aidshike.org
-510.547.4299-
Monty Tam wrote:
>I can't find the poncho/tarp plans I previously found on the internet.
I need detailed drawings of how the hood fits on the tarp. I'll need
extra strength there.
>
>I also need sources for Ultra, ultralight gear
material................. snaps, straps, clips, buckles. backing
material ........ maybe Spinncloth too.
>
>Also ultralight balaclava information including, especially, the
weight.
>
>Off list is fine.
>
>
>Thanks
>Warner Springs Monty
>
>
>Monty Tam
>metam01@earthlink.net
>EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:46:03 -0800
From: Michael Lissner <mlissner@aidshike.org>
Subject: [pct-l] Crampons and Ice Axe Testing, Playing, Etc.
To: PCT List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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I just found some sweet Kahtoolas for $40 (used), and I want to get out
and play with them. I'm not the best at navigating in the snow, and
unless somebody pipes up, I'll probably end up going alone. So, the
question is, where can I play with my ice toys near the San Francisco
Bay, and is there anybody out there that wants to join me?
Also, every now and again somebody says that they're ice axe pros, and
will take people out to train them. Anybody in the area in the mood?
-mike
--
www.aidshike.org
-510.547.4299-
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:24:51 -0800
From: Kraig Mottar <kraig.mottar@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [pct-l] pct
To: "Bruce Harvey" <bharve@dslextreme.com>, "Wayne Kraft"
<waynekraft@verizon.net>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Actually, I wasn't asking getting from Palm Springs to the aerial tram,
I was asking about, getting from the tram, since I generally know where
it is, to the PCT.
Though, thanks for that link you sent, those are other trails. Will have
to check that out.
I'll probably hike the who PCT one of these days, though it does seem a
bit much to expect to all of a sudden hike the whole thing.
Kraig
> From: "Bruce Harvey" <bharve@dslextreme.com>
> Date: 2005/03/14 Mon PM 10:40:36 PST
> To: "Kraig Mottar" <kraig.mottar@verizon.net>,
> "Wayne Kraft" <waynekraft@verizon.net>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: [pct-l] pct
>
> Kraig,
>
> Your plan for getting out and gradually increasing time and distance
is an
> excellent and commendable way to start the healthy hiking habit !
>
> You asked about getting from Palm Springs to the aerial tram. I
haven't
> first hand knowledge regarding that, but imagine there might be bus
service
> between Palm Springs and the tram that could be part of a package that
> includes tram fare. There may also be taxi service, although that
could be
> a bit pricey (along with the tram).
>
> If you can get to the tram and ride it, the mountain (upper station)
is
> within Mt. San Jacinto State Park. The park has many hiking rails in
> beautiful alpine country. The Park has a free map that shows the
trails.
> You can get a copy by writing to Mt. San Jacinto State Park, P.O. Box
308,
> Idyllwild, CA 92549,
> or by phoning (760) 767-5311. You can view info on the park (and
others) by
> scrolling on the web page http://www.parks.ca.gov/park_gis_maps.asp
>
> Many people who hike the trail also post their trail journals.
Reading a
> few journals is a good way to answer many questions you may have, like
> layover rest stops in towns. An extensive collection of journals and
links
> to journals can be accessed from the web page
> http://www.trailjournals.com/journals.cfm
> To read PCT journals from last year, click 2004 in the upper part of
the
> page, then scroll through the alphabetically listed trails to get down
to
> the Pacific Crest Trail (about 80% of the way down the page.) Then
pick one
> or another of the colorful hiker 'trail names' start reading their
2004
> journal.
>
> Very few people who hike long trails like the PCT in bits and pieces
post
> journals. However, Many more people do hike in bits and pieces than
people
> who hike semi-continuously, so you're in lots of company.
>
> Regards,
> Bruce
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:22:59 -0600
From: BSANDERS5@satx.rr.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] great walkin' songs
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <a8772ea84999.a84999a8772e@texas.rr.com>
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My favorite is John Denver's Rocky Mountain High...
"...Now he walks in quiet solitude the forests and the streams seeking
grace in every step he takes. His sight is turned inside himself to try
and understand the serenity of a clear blue mountain lake..."
Brian
JMT'99,'04
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:05:14 -0500
From: Carl & Judy Rush <elisenme2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] shakedown hike
To: Pat <athiker@cboss.com>
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <6195d8d10503131305401df34d@mail.gmail.com>
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I live by the AT in northeast PA not far from the Delaware Water Gap,
and would love to do some practise hikes.I can see the AT from my bay
window,it still has some snow on it , but it should be fine by next
weekend.
Carl
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:52:48 -0500, Pat <athiker@cboss.com> wrote:
> Any of you eastern folks want to do a little hike, possibly on the AT
to see
> how all that new gear works?
> Pat
>
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:25:48 -0800
From: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poncho/Tarp plans Material Sources
To: <metam01@earthlink.net>, "pct list"
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Good morning, Monty,
Here is a link to a materials supplier that I have used, although they
don't
seem to have Spinncloth. The other link is to TrailDad's poncho/tarp
plans.
I made this tarp and have used it with good results.
http://www.owfinc.com/
http://royrobinson.homestead.com/PonchoPlans.html
Steel-Eye
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From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
To: "pct list" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:19 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Poncho/Tarp plans Material Sources
> I can't find the poncho/tarp plans I previously found on the internet.
I
need detailed drawings of how the hood fits on the tarp. I'll need
extra
strength there.
>
> I also need sources for Ultra, ultralight gear
material.................
snaps, straps, clips, buckles. backing material ........ maybe
Spinncloth
too.
>
> Also ultralight balaclava information including, especially, the
weight.
>
> Off list is fine.
>
>
> Thanks
> Warner Springs Monty
>
>
> Monty Tam
> metam01@earthlink.net
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:46:00 -0800
From: "Ken Davis" <kgdavis970@earthlink.net>
Subject: [pct-l] My Experience with Crampons
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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On Saturday I climbed Ruth Mountain up here in the North Cascades. At
7100 ft tall, there was plenty of compacted snow and ice to traverse on
the way up. It turned out to be a wonderful opportunity to work with a
pair of crampons. I have to admit that after my experience, I've fallen
in love with them. Up until the point where I put them on, I was
struggling mightily to kick-step my way up the slope. My light weight
hikers just didn't have a rigid enough sole to be successful with this
approach. Others in my party had hard plastic boots designed for ice
climbing and they were having much better success with the kick-step
approach than I was. Instead, I was getting sore feet and feeling much
more insecure with every step taken. Another note is that I was post
holing in the soft stuff deeper than the others. I couldn't figure that
one out at first, but believe I have an answer to that as well (and it's
not that I'm a lot heavier than the others). ; )
Needless to say, I'm not jumping onto the plastic boot band wagon. I
have to admit though, that the benefits of full crampons in combination
with a soft soled, light hiking boot are hard to deny when working in
compact snow and ice. Another positive side effect beyond the excellent
traction provided was that I stopped post holing as deep as the others.
I didn't expect this added benefit, but was happy to see it. I suspect
that the crampons served as a "spine" to stiffen up the sole of my boot.
This added stiffness kept my toes straight when sinking down into soft
snow. The result was that the base of my boot with crampons provided
greater surface area when stepping down in soft snow, so I didn't sink
in as much.
I really started to enjoy the climb after putting those crampons on. I
suspect the experience in the High Sierras will be much the same. That
along with the fact that with crampons I have more versatility as to
when I can cross over passes, makes it an easy decision for me. I now
have full crampons on my list of equipment for the High Sierras.
Ken Davis
kgdavis970@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:29:38 -0800
From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Hiking in Big Bear
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Saturday and Sunday, Geezer and I hiked from Highway 18 to Little Bear
Trail
Camp.
There was plenty of snow along the way. I left my snowshoes in the truck
on
Saturday, but made good use of them on Sunday. Snow conditions ranged
from
none on exposed slopes to four feet or more on some north slopes.
Postholing
ranged from a few inches to over a foot, and we each fell in a hole
waist
deep at least once. It was quite an adventure. My snowshoes were a big
help
trying to keep up with Geezer's fast postholing. Navigation was even
more
fun, using GPS waypoints to avoid uncertainty. It was a lot of fun, but
a
lot of work for 22 miles in 2 days.
Water is not a problem here. Every stream on the map had water flowing.
Caribou Creek in Van Dusen Canyon was flowing full, and the bridge was
partially submerged. Holcomb Creek is also flowing well. We did not go
down
to Doble Trail Camp and did not find the pipe at Little Bear Trail Camp
(probably off due to freezing weather), but there was plenty of flowing
water at each camp.
This section of trail has some great views. Walkabout's tracks at Van
Dusen
Canyon messed us up a bit as I thought they were Geezer's ahead of me
when
in reality he had gotten behind me at a stop. This gave us each the
opportunity to enjoy the quiet of the last 3.5 miles.
>From Van Dusen Canyon Road to the trail junction just west of Bertha
Peak
was almost solid snow except a few short exposed sections.
I have pictures on my website. Click on "Pacific Crest Trail" and then
"Latest Hike" at the top of the page.
AsABat
www.4jeffrey.net
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:06:37 -0800
From: "Eric Yakel" <eyakel@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tunes
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, "JAMES" <jas8313@adelphia.net>
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I have America, Jethro Tull, Bread, Chicago, Grand Funk Railroad, Led
Zeppelin, and about 10 other good groups all on my MP3 player. Am I
dating myself. Oh and of course In-a-Gadda-da-Vida. Eric Yakel
----- Original Message -----
From: "JAMES" <jas8313@adelphia.net>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:31 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Tunes
> Here is the one Song that everyone should start their hike with and it
works
> for both starts from Mexico or Canada
>
> AMERICA by Neil Diamond
> SirJames from Southern California
> Candidate ... PCT Class of 2008
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:45:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] tunes
To: PCT MailingList <pct-l@backcountry.net>
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Some songs I've used in slide shows:
SHINE - Daniel Lanois
BRIGHT MORNING STARS - Emmylou Harris
NORTHERN LIGHTS - Varnaline
MAHIKI JCHI - Red Road Ensemble
LONG AS I CAN SEE THE LIGHT - CCR
RIPPLE - cover by Jimme Dale Gilmour
AKUA TUTA - Red Road Ensemble
JESSICA - Allman Bros
ANGELS BAND - Emmylou Haris
STILL WATER - Daniel Lanois
RAMBLE ON - "Pickin' on Zeppelin" cover (bluegrass!)
THE MAKER - orig by Damiel Lanois. But the cover I
love is from Willie Nelson w/ backing vocals by
Emmylou Harris. You gotta listen to this cover! From
the album TEATRO (produced by Daniel Lanois), which
is also a "must listen" in its own right...
There are some other songs I've used, but these songs
are among my favorite listens in general. The songs
always seem to take me back to the trail and encompass
yearning, wonder, joy and wandering. Elements of why I
love to be on these long treks. At least for me.
************************************************************
The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught,
a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
--Thoreau
http://www.magnanti.com
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:44:59 -0800
From: "Matt Bradley" <bodhisattvavow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tunes
To: "PCT-L" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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How about the Rolling Stones: "I'll never be your beast of burden/ I
walk
for miles, my feet ain't hurtin'/ Never, never, never, never, never,
never,
never be"
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:09:24 -0800
From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] tunes
To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
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I had the Jepardy Theme Song stuck in my head 100's of miles last year.
About the O Section it got replaced with John Phillip Sousa, mostly
Stars
and Stripes. Damn that old Victrola.
Aussie (from Australia) told me he was stuck with the Gilligan's Island
theme song.
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Date: 3/15/2005 7:58:42 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] tunes
>
> Some songs I've used in slide shows:
>
>
> SHINE - Daniel Lanois
> BRIGHT MORNING STARS - Emmylou Harris
> NORTHERN LIGHTS - Varnaline
> MAHIKI JCHI - Red Road Ensemble
> LONG AS I CAN SEE THE LIGHT - CCR
> RIPPLE - cover by Jimme Dale Gilmour
> AKUA TUTA - Red Road Ensemble
> JESSICA - Allman Bros
> ANGELS BAND - Emmylou Haris
> STILL WATER - Daniel Lanois
> RAMBLE ON - "Pickin' on Zeppelin" cover (bluegrass!)
> THE MAKER - orig by Damiel Lanois. But the cover I
> love is from Willie Nelson w/ backing vocals by
> Emmylou Harris. You gotta listen to this cover! From
> the album TEATRO (produced by Daniel Lanois), which
> is also a "must listen" in its own right...
>
>
> There are some other songs I've used, but these songs
> are among my favorite listens in general. The songs
> always seem to take me back to the trail and encompass
> yearning, wonder, joy and wandering. Elements of why I
> love to be on these long treks. At least for me.
>
>
>
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust
caught, a
portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
> http://www.magnanti.com
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:12:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Ripperton <matt_ripperton@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] stoveless hiking
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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To a couple of folks who have posted questions recently about stoveless
hiking, I posted this to the list a few weeks ago... my own experience,
for what it's worth.
>While it wasn't a thru-hike, I hiked the first 400 or so miles north
from the border in 1998 with >no stove, no pot & ate non-cooked foods.
I ate lots of tuna (before the foil packets), jerky, >tortillas w/
peanut butter & honey, nuts, dried fruit, cookies, crackers, candy, etc.
Not very >healthy, and while I don't remember losing a ton of weight (I
don't have a tremendous amount >to lose in the first place), I DO
remember my energy level being extremely low at times. At >the time I
attributed this to the desert heat, but I believe now it was due to poor
nutrition.
I can definitely apprecite the desire to get your gear as simplified as
possible (which is why I tried this in the first place). If you want to
do it this way, there are probably much more nutritious food choices out
there that would help.
But with a simple lightweight system: an alcohol stove, mini Ti or Al
pot, a lexan spoon, and some HEET in a soda bottle, why not just carry
it? Your meals will be more satisfying & you'll probably have enough
increase in energy to deal with the few extra ounces.
HYOH,
Ajax
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:42:52 -0800
From: "JoAnn M. Michael" <jomike@cot.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Fw: sings
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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----- Original Message -----
From: JoAnn M. Michael
To: yetifan@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:41 AM
Subject: sings
Scott,
It cracked me up...I didn't know any of the artists suggested by Jeff
but I knew all the artists on your list! Variety is the spice of life!
:)
JoAnn
The Social Worker
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:50:01 -0800
From: "JoAnn M. Michael" <jomike@cot.net>
Subject: [pct-l] mini-van question
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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This group never ceases to amaze me...Yogi asks about taking a group in
a mini-van and the next thing we know Mark gives us a web site in
beautiful color for the entire Dodge company not just mini-vans!
This group really rocks (as the younger group says). I really am proud
to be a part of this List.
JoAnn
The Social Worker
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