[BULK] - RE: [pct-l] Is a groundcloth really necessary?

[msaenz at mve-architects.com (Mike Saenz)]

I would agree with Aaron. I use a footprint to protect my tent, not for
any additional water resistance.
On a general backpacking trip, I'll pack the footprint. If I'm doing
long mile days, then the weight becomes a consideration.
Spending $250+ on a tent tends to make you want to take care of it.



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-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Doss
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:58 AM
To: Brian Weber; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [BULK] - RE: [pct-l] Is a groundcloth really necessary?

I think using a ground cloth will save the bottom of your tent.
However, in my opinion, the typical oem footprints are way too thick and
heavy.  I use a 1 mil or .75 mil plastic painters ground tarp (available
at any hardware or painting supply store for a dollar or two) They pack
smaller and weight only a few ounces.  Cut the plastic to the correct
size for your tent, you will typically be able to make several of them
per roll.  They will wear out after about 50 uses, just mail yourself a
new one.  I have used them for years and the bottoms of my tents look
brand new.  To me it's worth the extra 2-3 ounces.

Aaron 

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Brian Weber
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:43 AM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Is a groundcloth really necessary?

My hiking buddy and I are at a disagreement, so I wanted to ask the
experts.
 
We have a Sierra Designs Flashlight Clip CD 2-man tent. We are lacking a
footprint for this. Tonight (Friday 3/11) we are headed up for a hike in
the Angeles Crest. Saturday night we should end up above the snow-line. 
 
The disagreement is over a groundcloth. Do you think we really need one?
Will the snow really melt and seep through our tent through the night?
We're both lying on therma-rest 3/4 pads, so we're not directly
contacting the surface, but it is just a 70D nylon below that. 

		
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