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- Subject: [pct-l] RE: pct-l Digest, Vol 18, Issue 30
- From: jcartne at hotmail.com (Jacob Cartner)
- Date: Tue Oct 26 14:36:49 2004
WAYPOINT I
We used the Waypoint 2 on our thru of the AT. We used it the whole way and
absolutely loved it. I have owned 4 2-man tents, and this is the best tent
I have ever owned. I love it. Tracy mentioned something about
condensation...we never had any condensation problems. However, if you did
not set it up correctly, I can see how condensation may occur. It has to be
taught and lifted off the ground. Dont stake it right at ground
level...leave a 4-6inch gap or so. Also, place a flat, 6-8inch rock at the
foot end where the 1/2 pole goes. Place the pole on the rock to get extra
ventilation. The waypoint is the best tent I have ever had, bar none. You
cant beat the weight. There is no vestibule, but it is plenty spacious
inside to stow your gear inside, which is what we did. We have even used it
with our dog ie, 2 people, 1 dog + all gear INSIDE the tent, and still were
not cramped. And I am 6'4"! Hope this helps.
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>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:10:04 -0500 (CDT)
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>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Dress Me Up & Pack Me Out - Shelters (Paul Magnanti)
> 2. Re: Trail Report Section D east end (Lonetrail@aol.com)
> 3. Fwd: Wanderlust Gear (Paul Magnanti)
> 4. November Section E Expedition (Hiker97@aol.com)
> 5. RE: Trail Markers Missing (John Coyle)
> 6. printing selected items (Wade Stone)
> 7. RE: Red's Meadow South (Joe Percival)
> 8. RE: Trail Report Section D east end (AsABat)
> 9. RE: Red's Meadow South (goslowgofar)
> 10. Re: Red's Meadow South (Bighummel@aol.com)
> 11. Re: Dress Me Up...... - Sleeping Bags (Aloha! Ann)
> 12. RE: Sleeping Bags and dress code. (The Mountain Goat)
> 13. Waypoint 1 tent? Opinions? (The Mountain Goat)
> 14. Red's Meadow South (Linda Jeffers)
> 15. Re: RE: Sleeping Bags and dress code. (Eric)
> 16. Re: Re: Dress Me Up...... - Sleeping Bags (Saskia Daru)
> 17. Re: Red's Meadow South (Bob Bankhead)
> 18. Communicator magazine (Roberta Schneider)
> 19. Re: Waypoint 1 tent? Opinions? (aotis@wizwire.com)
> 20. WARNING,WARNING,WARNING...! (Norma)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Re: Dress Me Up & Pack Me Out - Shelters
>To: pct-l@backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20041025180308.6325.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Aloha Ann,
>
>Thanks for the kind words. Glad you was able to get
>some help with the PCT.
>
>Now, about shelters. I use a tarp myself and think it
>is a great way to go for the PCT. BUT, it is not for
>everyone.
>
>I strongly suggest practicing with the tarp first. If
>you are new to tarping, use an 8x10 tarp. You can get
>an 8x10 tarp that is easily in the 13 oz range.
>Campmor sells insexpensive SilNylon tarps at:
>http://snipurl.com/a1uq
>
>The Campmor tarp is not as light as some nor as well
>made (has grommets instead of fabric loops) but it is
>a very good tarp for those who are new to tarping. Why
>8x10? Because if you are new to tarping, that size
>allows more room for error. I used this tarp on my own
>PCT trek.
>
>There was a tarping/ground cloth discussion on AT-L. I
>wrote this and you may find it useful:
>
>The following website shows some great tarp pitcing
>deigns:
>
>http://hikinghq.net/gear/tarp.html
>
>Generally speaking, I find variations of the A-Frame
>or the diamond to be the most versatile way of
>pitching tarps.
>
>Pitching a tarp requires some practice for sure. You
>need to learn how to gauge it so the wind does not
>blow in as well as instinctively knowing to pitch it
>on a slight rise.
>
>As for a floor, Tyvek, a painters drop cloth or
>Spinmaker cloth are all light alternatives for a
>ground cloth.
>
>TYVEK: light, can be found at construction sites.
>There is a kite Tyvek that is more flexible, if less
>durable. I did use some kite Tyvek for a whole PCT
>thru-hike (And then some). You can purchase it at
>http://snipurl.com/9zzh for $2.50/yd. Tyvek (all
>grades) is water resistant, not water proof.
>
>PAINTERS DROP CLOTH: Various thickness (in mm).
>Waterproof. A little heavier than Tyvek or Spinmaker
>cloth. Very inexpensive. Found in any hardware store
>
>SPINMAKER: The latest and greatest. Lighter than
>SilNylon or Tyvek. Used it on a Colorado Trail
>thru-hike. Looks like it will last a thru-hike.
>If you want a minimalist ground cloth, this is it. My
>27"x 84" (approx) strip is just large enough for my
>sleeping pad and bag. Weighs 1.7oz.
>http://snipurl.com/9zzx
>As with Tyvek, water resistant, not waterproof.
>
>
>Finally, here is a pic of me in my 8x10 SilNylon tarp.
>It is sleeting out, windy...and I am dry and snug.
>http://gallery.backcountry.net/Co03/agr
>
>Naturally, if you are not ready for tarping, you can
>buy a lightweight one perosn tent from the previously
>quote tent makers. FWIW I now use a 7 ounce 5x8 Owware
>tarp w/ Spinmaker cloth.
>
>
>
>=====
>************************************************************
>The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a
>portion of the rainbow I have clutched
>--Thoreau
>http://www.magnanti.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:19:54 EDT
>From: Lonetrail@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Report Section D east end
>To: tahoe.cat@verizon.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <1f0.2dd97e56.2eae9dca@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
>Hi
>
>That is one of my favorite section from Big Bear to Rt. 10 for winter
>backpacking. That is if the snow don't get to deep. I did it once nobo in
>the
>summer. Several winter ago I did right after New Years solo sobo
>
>You go from high mountain to high desert to low desert. That Onyx Summit
>is
>one hell of a place to spend a night. The wind wraps around about every
>eight minutes like a freight train You can hear trees being blown down. I
>had to
>get shelter up against a rock formation. The trail was covered with snow
>and
>icey mounds sometimes running for twenty feet, then some bear areas. I had
>to
>hold my breath maneuvering with my poles and crampons. .. One slip and
>your
>gone.
>
>That wild animal ranch to me is a sad sight. The poor bears look not to
>happy being locked up. Several huskies came out to greet me with there
>tails
>waging. I head some one call them back. I am Thinking of doing it again. I
>take
>several buses to Big Bear and Hitch Hike to Banning to catch a Hound to
>LA. It
>would be nice to have a shuttle if any one is interested.
>
>Lonetrail
>
>
>
>Hi Speaking of trail reports, does anyone know how long the maroon dodge
>colt has been sitting next to the trail up there by Onyx summit? License
>#2
>EUC015 it looks like it has been there for a long time and there sure
>isn't
>and road around there close. One other comment, why isn't there any
>mention
>of the wild animal ranch right next to the trail? At least I have not seen
>any. That was a little scary in the evening when the fence blended in with
>the sun light. and the trail does need work in some areas between Mission
>Creek and Hwy 18. Ground Pounder Bill---- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce Harvey" <bharve@dslextreme.com>
>To: <Lonetrail@aol.com>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:41 AM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Report Section D east end
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Wanderlust Gear
>To: pct-l@backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20041025182346.9883.qmail@web52707.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>Dave sent this to me peronally, but I think he meant
>to share it with the list.
>
>--- Dave Encisco <dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:04:29 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Dave Encisco <dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
> > To: pmags@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Wanderlust Gear
> >
> > >>Does anyone know what's up with Wanderlust's Kurt
> > >>Russell? His phone
> >
> > >While Kurt makes some great gear, he is a hard
> > person to get a hold
> > >of. Many repors of people not receiving their tents
> > on time, delays
> > >in getting refunds, etc.
> >
> > >I know Kurt. He is a good guy. But, for whatever
> > reason, the customer
> > >service is lacking big time.
> >
> > >You may want to look into www.sixmoondesigns.com or
> > www.tarptent.com.
> > >Both companies make lightweight backpacking tents
> > using the Nomad
> > >type of construction. Heard good reports of both.
> > Ron Moak and Henry
> > >Shires both give excellent customer service.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was the originator of the Wanderlust question.
> >
> > I actually have a lot of experience with tarps,
> > tents and bivies.
> >
> > Henry is a nice guy and doesn't live far from me,
> > but I hate my Squall
> > and rarely use it. It's not storm worthy above tree
> > line. A Golite
> > Lair I (pointed in the right direction) and a light
> > bivy works fars
> > better than the Squall. I've not had any experience
> > with Six Moon
> > Designs, but it looks quite similar to the Lair if
> > the Lair had a
> > door. The Lair works reasonably well in the snow,
> > but not in a snow
> > storm.
> >
> > I like the Integral Designs Siltarp the best. It did
> > surprisingly well
> > during a heavy snow storm.
> >
> > I've borrowed a friend's Wanderlust (early
> > prototype) and didn't like
> > it due to the condensation problem. I hate wet tent
> > interiors, it's
> > depressing. The Nomad Lite looks like a good
> > alternative, lot's of
> > ventilation.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
>
>=====
>************************************************************
>The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a
>portion of the rainbow I have clutched
>--Thoreau
>http://www.magnanti.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:33:22 -0400
>From: Hiker97@aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] November Section E Expedition
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <6F7401F3.21F09061.00176F47@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Some of us are planning a 110 mile/one week Section E hike from Agua Dulce.
> Everyone is independent with supplies and gear. Everyone will be a loose
>confederation on the trail and camp at the same places each night. We are
>planning it either the week before or after Thanksgiving. Anyone
>interested in knocking out this section, let me know.
>Thanks, Switchback
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:51:54 -0700
>From: John Coyle <jcoyle@sanjuan.edu>
>Subject: [pct-l] RE: Trail Markers Missing
>To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <F1EAAF6E423A63428C7622B1A2A4CBC401775B76@dale.sanjuan.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>This article was on the front page of the Sacramento Bee yesterday (Sun.
>10/24/04) right in the middle of all the stories about Iraq and 911. It
>reminded me of all the posts about old trail markers a while back.
>
>http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/11201045p-12116915c.html
>
>John Coyle
>Sacramento
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:07:56 -0700
>From: Wade Stone <wadestone@sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] printing selected items
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <6.1.0.6.2.20041025135632.02036958@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>Is there anyway to print on my computer printer
>individual postings that people have sent in?
>
>Most of the items are of marginal interest. But a
>few I would like to print to put into my files. I have
>tried several times to do this and have always failed.
>
>Help!!!!
>
>Crash (Irwin Reeves)
>
>-------------------
>This may sound a little cumbersome: In my Eudora email (I think this is
>pretty universal), I forward the entire day's email back to myself as
>"backpacker file" (but don't send). I then highlight and delete all items
>except those I want to keep, and save the "forwarded" information in my
>"backpacking" email folder, with subject matter for example "Section B
>water", or "Angeles closure" etc. This way I can print if needed, and/or
>forward to buddies who don't want to read the whole day's subject matter,
>and/or save for my own archive.
>
>Watogo1
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:29:55 -0700
>From: "Joe Percival" <djpercival@cox.net>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>To: <batdorff@coosnet.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <20041025212946.PJTL768.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@LT2>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Did Jim make it in/out before the storms?
>joe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Percival [mailto:djpercival@cox.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:22 AM
>To: 'batdorff@coosnet.com'; 'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>
>In mid October you should be prepared for anything. You could easily get
>snow and temps down in the teens. A few years back a friend and I took a
>jaunt up to Rock Creek Lake right around the 15th and had to turn around
>because of snow.
>I'd definitely check the weather forecast regularly and make sure your car
>is parked someplace where they keep the roads plowed if rain / snow is
>anticipated.
>joe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of
>batdorff@coosnet.com
>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:02 PM
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>
>I'm planning to hike from Red's Meadow south to Kearsarge Pass in
>mid-Oct. I have the following questions: (1) Is the shuttle from
>Mammonth Lakes to Red's Meadow still operating this time of year? (2) Is
>the trail still open i.e. no fire restrictions? (3) Are bear cans still
>required? (4) What can one expect for temperatures at that elevation?
>Thanks for you help.
>
>Jim
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:28:55 -0700
>From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Trail Report Section D east end
>To: "'Cathy'" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>, "'Bruce Harvey'"
> <bharve@dslextreme.com>
>Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAvl8O7EJT5kG5hwDNZiiLfcKAAAAQAAAAmeqHSpRyV0yWo8NVi7MDbAEAAAAA@4Jeffrey.Net>
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>One other comment, why isn't there any mention
>of the wild animal ranch right next to the trail? At least I have not seen
>any.
>
>
>Ben mentioned some months ago that the owners preferred that it not be
>included to reduce tourist traffic. Makes sense to me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
>From: goslowgofar <goslowgofar@yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20041026003932.37506.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>I'm also wondering about the SOBO (Sevant) that was behind Scott. Does
>anybody have any news about him? Last I remember was Donna's post about him
>heading back up over Trail Crest after a town stop at Lone Pine. That was
>in the middle of the last storm...
>Hope he is okay!
>Katy
>
>Joe Percival <djpercival@cox.net> wrote:
>Did Jim make it in/out before the storms?
>joe
>
> On Behalf Of
>batdorff@coosnet.com
>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:02 PM
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>
>I'm planning to hike from Red's Meadow south to Kearsarge Pass in
>mid-Oct. I have the following questions: (1) Is the shuttle from
>Mammonth Lakes to Red's Meadow still operating this time of year? (2) Is
>the trail still open i.e. no fire restrictions? (3) Are bear cans still
>required? (4) What can one expect for temperatures at that elevation?
>Thanks for you help.
>
>Jim
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:08:50 EDT
>From: Bighummel@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>To: goslowgofar@yahoo.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <13c.4763efa.2eaefda2@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Does anyone have a phone number for Kennedy Meadows Store?
>
>
>In a message dated 10/25/2004 5:40:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>goslowgofar@yahoo.com writes:
>I'm also wondering about the SOBO (Sevant) that was behind Scott. Does
>anybody have any news about him? Last I remember was Donna's post about him
>heading
>back up over Trail Crest after a town stop at Lone Pine. That was in the
>middle of the last storm...
>Hope he is okay!
>Katy
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:10 -0400
>From: "Aloha! Ann" <AlohaAnn@adelphia.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Re: Dress Me Up...... - Sleeping Bags
>To: "PCT Backcountry" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>,
> <BackpackingLight@yahoogroups.com>
>Message-ID: <004001c4bb09$b96c0360$6400a8c0@ADell>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Aloha All!
>
>I swear y'all are getting me all excited! I just want to run out and buy
>one of everything recommended just so I have an excuse to play! Obviously
>that ain't happen'n. Whew! Chills!
>
>On a serious note, one of the first things I'm noticing is that everyone
>seems not to mind sleeping in their clothes or jackets. I realize that
>it's a sensible thing to do but isn't that uncomfortable? Wouldn't you
>prefer to sleep comfy warm without a bunch of binding clothing? I know, an
>ounce is an ounce is an ounce but...... Thoughts?
>
>William in Chicago: My "second set of silk long-johns" would be intended
>for sleeping only actually. They of course could be worn if necessary as
>another layer of clothing. The main purpose was to have an item that
>served two purposes -- keeping my bag cleaner and an additional layer if
>needed. Got that idea recently from you awesome people! Thank you!
>
>Patrick Sarnacke: Thank you for the info on the Moonstone 800 Lucid.
>Moonstone makes a good bag; I like my Optimum. I'll still give it a look.
>Never hurts to look!
>
>Mountain Goat: 45* bag? I know the desert is hot .... during the day but
>having once lived for a short time not far from Tucson, AZ, I also know
>that it can be 90* today and snow the next morning. I do like the idea of
>a 15 oz bag but..... I'm back to that cold thing. You're a braver hiker
>than I!
>
>Jeff Morehead: I had to grin when I read your missive. Which are you - a
>chemical engineer or geek? <g> I'm guessing engineer myself!
>
>David: You're the second person to mention this JacksRBetter Old Rag Mtn
>quilt. Sounds interesting. As does the Arc Alpinist Photontove mentioned.
> While working in London I noticed they were big into the quilt like bags
>(no "back/bottom", just a top with straps for holding it to your pad) and I
>thought they were crazy. To know then what I know now! I am not opposed
>to the quilt idea if I can convince myself that there is a way to keep it
>over me. I have a problem with my bed sheets! I do own, and love dearly,
>my Western Mountaineer Flight jacket. Now that I think of it, maybe I
>could sleep in that thing. Thanks for all your suggestions. (Btw, 5.25 #
>sleep and carry and you think there are lighter options? You guys and gals
>are nuts!... and I love it... I think.)
>
>Photonstove: Another vote for the Arc Alpinist. Obviously another one
>worth a look. My "gear to check out" list is supposed to have shrunk with
>y'all's help; not grown! Winter is going to go soooooo fast! Thanks.
>
>Thank you to all. Keep those comments coming!
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
>From: The Mountain Goat <themtgoat@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] RE: Sleeping Bags and dress code.
>To: pct mailing list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <20041026041229.79179.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>I thought I would touch on a couple subjects that Aloha Ann brought up....
>
>"Wouldn't you prefer to sleep comfy warm without a bunch of binding
>clothing?"
>I find that I don't mind wearing my clothes to bed. But would prefer to
>wear shorts and a t shirt if it isn't to cold. I think everybodys
>preference is going to differ here, if depends what your used to...(And
>what you condition yourself to)...
>
>"I also know that it can be 90* today and snow the next morning"
>I hadn't had quite those extreams yet. When Snickers and I did Hiker town
>to Walker Pass in May 2004 (http://www.geocities.com/pct_2005/walker.html)
>It was abormaly cool, but I don't think it ever got below 40 degrees. I
>should add, that unlike some of us like minded people who carry only a
>tarp, I was carrying a 3LB 3oz tent. But am working on getting a 2LB + a
>few ounces tent.
>
>Aloha! Ann <AlohaAnn@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>Aloha All!
>
>I swear y'all are getting me all excited! I just want to run out and buy
>one of everything recommended just so I have an excuse to play! Obviously
>that ain't happen'n. Whew! Chills!
>
>On a serious note, one of the first things I'm noticing is that everyone
>seems not to mind sleeping in their clothes or jackets. I realize that it's
>a sensible thing to do but isn't that uncomfortable? Wouldn't you prefer to
>sleep comfy warm without a bunch of binding clothing? I know, an ounce is
>an ounce is an ounce but...... Thoughts?
>....
>
>Mountain Goat: 45* bag? I know the desert is hot .... during the day but
>having once lived for a short time not far from Tucson, AZ, I also know
>that it can be 90* today and snow the next morning. I do like the idea of a
>15 oz bag but..... I'm back to that cold thing. You're a braver hiker than
>I!
>....
>
>
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>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:22:42 -0700 (PDT)
>From: The Mountain Goat <themtgoat@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Waypoint 1 tent? Opinions?
>To: pct mailing list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <20041026042242.83022.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>I was woundering if anyone had tried the Waypoint 1 by Mountain Hardware.
>Any Opinions?
>
>I noticed that it had a 2LB 2oz minimum weight. Had a single pole design.
>It also had a mesh floor? Does that mean you have "window material" on the
>bottom on your tent? I saw conflictiing articles, one said there was a
>vestibule and another said there was none.....I was thinking of getting the
>Micro Zoid, but getting caught in a prolonged rain and unable to sit up may
>be a major pain....The zoid is 2LB 5oz min weight.
>
>-Mountain Goat-
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:05:17 -0700
>From: "Linda Jeffers" <gottago@lindajeffers.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <20041026051906.F3CC11D1C4@edina.hack.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>It was around 10 am. I was at the restaurant next door to the Dow Villa
>Motel on Oct 17th when I noticed a light weight backpacker pass by heading
>toward the front door of the Dow Villa. He had short brown hair, long
>hiking
>pants, a green backpack (Glen Van Peski's, I think) and was using trekking
>poles. He was walking strong and with purpose. If he'd been up in the
>mountains the night before..well, he had a cold, very cold, snowy, high
>wind
>night.
>
>
>
>At Convict Lake it had been beautiful weather until Saturday around 10pm,
>Oct 16th. Then the gale force winds blew throughout the night. Morning
>showed signs of the evening storm. The surrounding mountains had snow on
>them from about 7500 feet and up.
>
>
>
>When I saw the hiker in Lone Pine, I knew he was a long distance hiker. I'd
>wanted to go out and say hi. I wish I had now. I wonder if this hiker was
>Sevant.
>
>
>
>Maybe the motel has a record of when he checked out of the motel.
>
>
>
>-Gottago
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 15
>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:40:32 -0700
>From: Eric <radpin@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] RE: Sleeping Bags and dress code.
>To: The Mountain Goat <themtgoat@yahoo.com>
>Cc: pct mailing list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <ee65fb51041025224010c640ec@mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Never had an issue sleeping in clothes myself. I mean you're already
>in a mummy bag on a sliver of insulating foam in the middle of
>nowhere, so the "perfect" sleeping arrangement is out the window. You
>know things aren't good when you're using a boot for a pillow. :-)
>
>I sleep fine in clothes provided they fit me well from the getgo, and
>that I don't have a belt on. Belts are too binding, and tend to cut
>into my hips.
>
>I have some fleece pants and my fleece top that I usually have with
>me, and combined with my sierra designs wild bill (which is pretty
>warm and light for a synthetic), I can stay just fine down to about
>20. After that my feet get cold, with my face following soon
>afterwards.
>
>But yeah.. no complaints from sleeping in my clothes here. Maybe
>passing out drunk all those times I was in a band actualy helped to
>condition me for the PCT?
>
>Eric
>
>
>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:12:29 -0700 (PDT), The Mountain Goat
><themtgoat@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I thought I would touch on a couple subjects that Aloha Ann brought
>up....
> >
> > "Wouldn't you prefer to sleep comfy warm without a bunch of binding
>clothing?"
> > I find that I don't mind wearing my clothes to bed. But would prefer to
>wear shorts and a t shirt if it isn't to cold. I think everybodys
>preference is going to differ here, if depends what your used to...(And
>what you condition yourself to)...
> >
> > "I also know that it can be 90* today and snow the next morning"
> > I hadn't had quite those extreams yet. When Snickers and I did Hiker
>town to Walker Pass in May 2004
>(http://www.geocities.com/pct_2005/walker.html) It was abormaly cool, but I
>don't think it ever got below 40 degrees. I should add, that unlike some of
>us like minded people who carry only a tarp, I was carrying a 3LB 3oz tent.
>But am working on getting a 2LB + a few ounces tent.
> >
> > Aloha! Ann <AlohaAnn@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >
> > Aloha All!
> >
> > I swear y'all are getting me all excited! I just want to run out and buy
>one of everything recommended just so I have an excuse to play! Obviously
>that ain't happen'n. Whew! Chills!
> >
> > On a serious note, one of the first things I'm noticing is that everyone
>seems not to mind sleeping in their clothes or jackets. I realize that it's
>a sensible thing to do but isn't that uncomfortable? Wouldn't you prefer to
>sleep comfy warm without a bunch of binding clothing? I know, an ounce is
>an ounce is an ounce but...... Thoughts?
> > ....
> >
> > Mountain Goat: 45* bag? I know the desert is hot .... during the day but
>having once lived for a short time not far from Tucson, AZ, I also know
>that it can be 90* today and snow the next morning. I do like the idea of a
>15 oz bag but..... I'm back to that cold thing. You're a braver hiker than
>I!
> > ....
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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>
>Message: 16
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:07:51 +0200
>From: Saskia Daru <saskiadaru@xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Dress Me Up...... - Sleeping Bags
>To: PCT list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <BDA3B657.6D9C%saskiadaru@xs4all.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Hi there
>
> > From: "Aloha! Ann" <AlohaAnn@adelphia.net>
> > On a serious note, one of the first things I'm noticing is that everyone
>seems
> > not to mind sleeping in their clothes or jackets. I realize that it's a
> > sensible thing to do but isn't that uncomfortable? Wouldn't you prefer
>to
> > sleep comfy warm without a bunch of binding clothing? I know, an ounce
>is an
> > ounce is an ounce but...... Thoughts?
>
>I prefer sleeping with as little as possible on. BUT: I also don't want to
>carry a lot of clothes. So I ended up sleeping with my jacket on only four
>out of about fourteen nights on the John Muir Trail in September.
>
> > William in Chicago: My "second set of silk long-johns" would be
>intended for
> > sleeping only actually. They of course could be worn if necessary as
>another
> > layer of clothing. The main purpose was to have an item that served two
> > purposes -- keeping my bag cleaner and an additional layer if needed.
>Got
> > that idea recently from you awesome people! Thank you!
>
>I don't think anybody is questioning wearing longjohns in camp, or in the
>bag, but I would not know when else I would be wearing them. During the
>day,
>even when it is cold or wet, my legs are usually warm and I don't need
>longjohns. Except for when I am cold in my sleeping bag, like you suggest.
>So I would not take more than one pair.
>
>Saskia
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 17
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:34:12 -0700
>From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>To: <Bighummel@aol.com>, <goslowgofar@yahoo.com>,
> <pct-l@backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <001401c4bb68$dd473200$6401a8c0@BOB>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>559-850-5647
>
>Wandering Bob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Bighummel@aol.com>
>To: <goslowgofar@yahoo.com>; <pct-l@backcountry.net>
>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>
>
> > Does anyone have a phone number for Kennedy Meadows Store?
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 18
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:30:31 -0600
>From: "Roberta Schneider" <eagleI45sch@msn.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Communicator magazine
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <BAY11-DAV39rhYQYx3G00000fa3@hotmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Does anyone know if there was a September/October issue of the PCT
>Communicator magazine?
>
>Eagle Eye
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 19
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:36:28 -0800
>From: aotis@wizwire.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Waypoint 1 tent? Opinions?
>To: The Mountain Goat <themtgoat@yahoo.com>, pct mailing list
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Cc: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20041026142616.M75383@wizwire.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>I used the waypoint 1 this past summer for a 400 mile section hike. First
>the
>bad news....Out of 18 days I had heavy condensation 16 nights. Because of
>the
>single wall design and small interior moisture was a real problem. So
>expect
>moisture on your sleeping bag, and belongings. The tent is easy to set up
>and
>take down. Ok head room and no vestibule. It handled heavy wind one evening
>of about 60 mph. Having since purchased a shires tarp tent I wouldn't go
>back. Good Luck....Tracy
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:22:42 -0700 (PDT), The Mountain Goat wrote
> > I was woundering if anyone had tried the Waypoint 1 by Mountain
>Hardware.
> > Any Opinions?
> >
> > I noticed that it had a 2LB 2oz minimum weight. Had a single pole
>design.
> > It also had a mesh floor? Does that mean you have "window material"
> > on the bottom on your tent? I saw conflictiing articles, one said
> > there was a vestibule and another said there was none.....I was
> > thinking of getting the Micro Zoid, but getting caught in a
> > prolonged rain and unable to sit up may be a major pain....The zoid
> > is 2LB 5oz min weight.
> >
> > -Mountain Goat-
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.
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>
>Message: 20
>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:33:27 -0700
>From: "Norma" <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] WARNING,WARNING,WARNING...!
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <003801c4bb79$9d341690$754ffa43@Ruiz>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hello out there all you pct hikers, there has been a real strong
>warning,at st Helen,this girl is building up by the second,what I mean she
>is growed over 250 feet since it started and is growing by the second,a big
>dump truck load every 5 seconds,this girl means busness ,2 on-lookers slipt
>by the warning signs and the ranger cought up with them & the judge gave
>them two on-lookers a heafty $5000 fine,they mean STAY-OUT, I live 150
>miles south east and I dont want any part of her,they are waiting for her
>to blow,,,,,!the "BULL"
>
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>
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