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[pct-l] Mountaineering School / Ice Axes



oops I mean the south side of muir pass and the east side of bishop pass but
you get the picture.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mountaineering School / Ice Axes


> I did the northlake southlake loop in late June of this year, and I noted
> that in the 2 sketchy situations I was in on steep snow on the North side
of
> Muir Pass and the West side of Bishop Pass that had I gone down, an ice
axe
> would have been no help whatsoever.
>
> Just a thought,
> s.c.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Willett" <CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu>
> To: "David Dieffenbach" <dmd@email.arizona.edu>
> Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Mountaineering School
>
>
> > For the self arrest and self belay (more important) techniques, check
out
> a copy of Mountaineering: Freedom of the Hills.  Also, read up on
> glissading.  You don't really need to pay an instructor to show you the
> basic skills for the PCT.  Learning to cut steps is fairly
straightforward:
> Just know which end of the axe to swing.  Glissading is easy also, but you
> need to know how to use the axe while doing it.  One picture from the book
> is worth a thousand words.  The only other thing you might want to do is
to
> get some experience travelling up and along with snow.  That is, how and
> when to kick steps, on what sort of slope should you worry, etc.  If you
> can't get it, don't worry:  Many people cross the Sierras with little or
no
> experience (I crossed with one) on snow.  Just make sure that at Kennedy
> Meadows you link up with someone who does have the skills and is willing
to
> show you (this won't be a problem).
> >
> > Suge
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Christopher Willett
> > cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> > Pierce College
> > 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> > Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of David
> Dieffenbach
> > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:12 AM
> > > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Mountaineering School
> > >
> > > Once again I call upon the intellignet minds of many here on the
> list-serv.  I
> > > apologize if this is not directly related to the PCT, but in light of
> the
> > > ongoing discussion of ice axes/self-arrest procedures I was curious to
> know if
> > > anyone out there has had experiences or has good advice regarding
> > > mountaineering schools.  I am an experienced hiker and I am working on
> becoming
> > > an experienced backpacker, but I feel there is still so much for me to
> learn.
> > > Funding aside, is it worth it to partake in one of these outdoor
> instructional
> > > schools?  All thoughts are very much appreciated.  Suggestions
regarding
> > > particular schools are a plus.  Thank you all again!
> > >
> > > Bear Down,
> > > Wildcat Dave
> > >
> > >
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