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[pct-l] RE: hiking speed vs. pack weight

Most of the gain in miles per day is not more miles per hour, but more hours actually moving (at least in my case).  I don't average much over 2 mph.  But if I sleep 7 and sit around 2 hours, I still can cover thirty miles in a day.  I find it is much more pleasant to amble along than to either sit and look at the scenery, or to rush athletically up the trail.  With a super light pack, I don't have to take long "breaks".  "Breaks" are to get away from work.  Strolling ain't work.

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   1. Re: Tyvek (Bruce Harvey)
   2. RE: Tyvek (Marge Prothman)
   3. RE: Ten Years Ago Tonight (Marge Prothman)
   4. Re: hiking speed vs packweight (dude)
   5. Re: Go-Lite (John Mertes)
   6. Re: hiking speed vs packweight (John Mertes)
   7. Re: hiking speed vs packweight (ROYROBIN@aol.com)
   8. PCT A  CLOTHING (Irwin Reeves)


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:03:36 -0700
From: "Bruce Harvey" <bharve@dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Tyvek
To: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>,
	<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>,	"Paul Freiman/Vicki Cavataio"
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??  Non-mylar space blanket material?  Where do you get such material?  I'm
interested.  I'm aware of only the "Therno-Lite" material in emergency bivy
sacks by Adventure Medical Kits company.  I've used the Thermo-Lite material
as the floor of a tent.  It works fairly well, but isn't cheap.

Ron Moak can sell you Tyvek at reasonable cost.  A piece 52"x80" from him
was something like $8.50 or $10.00 as I recall.  The non-woven Tyvek with
random roving of fibers is not very slick or noisy at all after one trip
through a washing machine (sans soap).  I believe that for backpacking it is
better than the woven type used as house wrap.

Capt. Bivy,  Is your ground cloth that you've used for 20 years the coated
mylar material?
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From: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>; "Paul Freiman/Vicki Cavataio"


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:45:31 -0600
From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Tyvek
To: "'Sharon & Chuck Chelin'" <chelin@teleport.com>,
Message-ID: <000501c47808$7cbe6320$6401a8c0@marge20g04myym>
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Hello Steel Eye,
Just a vote of confidence for tyvek, I have used it for the past five years
or so.  It is never noisy or slick, if you wash it a few times, sans soap
and dryer, before you use it.  I am still on my original pieces, but am
looking to try something a little lighter now.  Mine weighs 7 oz each piece.
Have ordered the ground cloth from Gossamer gear to see what it is like.

This is from Marge the old gal,
who just came off a climbers trail to the Elephant Perch, here in the
Sawtooths Mountains of Idaho and will never climb it again.  Amen. ( the
Shangrila Lake was pretty tho)

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:53:22 -0600
From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Ten Years Ago Tonight
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Great Story, enjoyed reading it.
Marge   [The Old Gal]

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[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 8:00 PM
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Subject: [pct-l] Ten Years Ago Tonight

 All this talk about bear boxes and cannisters had me
thinking. Then I remembered the events on a trip I
took ten years ago.

 Enjoy the story, and don't let it happen to you!


 Mike D


Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 02:06:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking speed vs packweight
To: mt2mt@sbcglobal.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20040802020607.AE58D861AD6@mail.interchange.ca>
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> Doesn't anyone realize that hiking at "high
> speeds" negates the purpose of being out there
> in the first place? 

to each their own...  there are lots of reasons to go fast.  I started 
hiking fast because I don't get alot of vacation time, so in order to 
hike something lik ethe JMT, I usually have to do it in a week (plus 
weekends), which means that I have to get in over 20 miles per day.

Another reason to go faster is so that can reasy resupply points sooner 
and not have to carry as much food, and thus, save weight.

Another reason to go fast, as you mentioned, is for the challenge of 
it.  There is satisfaction in pushing personal limits and going farther 
today than you went yesterday.  Not everyone thinks this way, but 
certainly there are many who do and enjoy testing themselves.  This is 
a different, but no less worthy, reason to be on the trail.  Just 
because someone wants to go fast and not stop at all the scenic 
overlooks and take lots of pictures doesn't mean that their endeavor is 
not as good, or not as sensible, or "the wrong way to do it".  Some 
people like to go fast, others like to "stop and smell the roses".  
Neither way is right or wrong and both can be fun in their own way.

Also, just because you go fast doesn't mean that you do not get to see 
the sights.  Yesterday I participated in the PCT 50 mile trail run and 
ran 50 miles on the PCT in 11 hrs.  When I came around an exposed curve 
in the trail and caught a glimpse of Mt. Hood through a gap in the huge 
pine trees, I stopped and stared at it for a few minutes.  As I stood 
there, other runners also stopped and admired the beauty and majesty of 
the mountain.  Even though we covered alot of ground, we all 
appreciated where we were and the beauty of God's creation.

Enjoy the trail, however you do it.


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:00:12 -0700
From: John Mertes <jmertes@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Go-Lite
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Cc: Joanne Lennox <goforth@cnw.com>
Message-ID: <410DAE3C.2050606@verizon.net>
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also keep this in mind when measuring the volume of an existing pack -- 
as you stuff stuff in, the pack becomes more circular and the actual 
volume increases. Similar effect can be observed in stuffing stuff into 
a soft sided suitcase.

Joanne Lennox wrote:

>Be careful about putting all of your stuff into a box and measuring the
>dimensions to get a pack size, especially if your are going to use that size
>to make a pack(length, depth, etc).
>I did this twice and ended up with a very large pack that I had to cut down
>before I realized the error.
>Turns out a volume in a rectangular box is much smaller than the volume of a
>cylinder with the same circumference (given the same height of cylinder or
>length of box).  As we stuff our packs and increase their roundness we are
>also increasing the volume.  It is not just a matter of compression, but
>actually creating more space (or rather less inefficient angularity).


Message: 6
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:04:33 -0700
From: John Mertes <jmertes@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking speed vs packweight
To: dude <dude@fastmail.ca>
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net, mt2mt@sbcglobal.net
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for me, the reason to decrease pack weight is to increase enjoyment -- 
whether that is increase speed, more miles walked in a day, or most 
important to me less exertion means more enjoyment every step of the 
way.  so HYOH and Happy Hiking.



Message: 7
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:56:51 EDT
From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking speed vs packweight
To: mt2mt@sbcglobal.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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< Doesn't anyone realize that hiking at "high
< speeds" negates the purpose of being out there
< in the first place? I realize that for some
< hiking far and fast is a challenge.
< As for me and many others we're out to smell
< the wildflowers, not leave a cloud of dust.

Hiking fast or slow doesn't make the trip less or more worth the effort.  
It's just different.  And, that new vista from the top of the pass is the same 
reward for everyone who climbs up there, regardless of how long it took to get 
up there.  

> < As far as going faster and faster, I want to slow
> < down and never have my hikes end. When I go too 
> < fast the trip ends sooner. 

Is there anyone out there who doesn't feel this way as we near the end of a 
great hike?  > 


Message: 8
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:17:36 -0700
From: "Irwin Reeves" <ipreeves@airenetworks.com>
Subject: [pct-l] PCT A  CLOTHING
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <005501c47858$67f214f0$6400a8c0@ipreeves>
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Last week my wife and I took 2 of our grandchildren to the south rim of the Grand Canyon for 5 days.  Stayed in Williams, AZ.  We rode the train from Williams to
the south rim one day.  While on the train I wore my baseball hat from the PCTA.  It has the PCT emblem on it.  If I had not been wearing it I would not have
meet a banjo player using the trail name BAN-JOVI (spelling ???).  He saw my hat and introduced himself.  Said he had hiked some of the trail a year or two 
ago starting at the ADZKO party.  I was at this party also.  You never know what the future holds, who you might meet or where.

It pays to wear something that identifies your interests.  

Irwin Reeves  (Crash)


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