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[pct-l] Thru-Hikers and cans (was Scary bear story ¬hanging food)
hahahahaha slow down.
not a very peaceful attitude, dude
peace,
steve courtway
----- Original Message -----
From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
To: <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-Hikers and cans (was Scary bear story ¬hanging
food)
> since apparently anything that doesn't agree with you is "part of the
> problem", the discussion has broken down and ceases to serve any
> purpose. since you apparently are more interested in "being right" or
> being obedient or whatever it is that you are doing, I'll acquiesce and
> say "you win".
>
> peace,
> dude
>
>
>
> > yup those answers are all pretty nutty.... educate the tourists means
> > teach them to carry a can dude, which they're doing and most folks
> > have no problem carrying a couple extra pounds. Keep bears so scared
> > of humans you never get to see one eh ?
> >
> >> re-engineer the bear can to be lighter and more compact
> > they're already almost too small
> >
> >> bear boxes in areas with "problem" bears.
> > trod more wilderness with extensive overuse near bear boxes ?
> >
> >> allowing hikers to protect their food with weapons
> > I'm visualising the dude running around at 2:00 a.m. on the PCT with
> > his gun shooting at bears, pretty funny there.
> >
> > you'll notice it was alot easier to come up with all your joke
> > solutions than anything that works as well as putting your food inside
> > of a piece of plastic or metal that keeps the bears out.
> > If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem
> > hahahaha, s.c.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> > To: <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
> > Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-Hikers and cans (was Scary bear story
> > ?hanging food)
> >
> >
> >> I am offering alternative solutions, so don't call me "part of the
> >> problem". That's an easy 'cop-out' response that dosn't solve the
> >> problem either.
> >>
> >> There are lots of other solutions:
> >> - bigger fines for tourists who feed bears.
> >> - more education for tourists
> >> - bear boxes in areas with "problem" bears.
> >> - allowing hikers to protect their food with weapons
> >> - re-introducing hunting in certain areas
> >> - forbid food in the backcountry.
> >> - forbid backcountry travel completely.
> >> - forbid overnight back country travel.
> >> - re-engineer the bear can to be lighter and more compact
> >> - put electric fences around problem backcountry camping areas.
> >> - require all backcountry travelers to saok their food in habanero
> >> salsa
> >>
> >> Obviously, many of these alternatives are in jest, but it serves the
> >> point that there ARE other options and we are not trying them. You
> >> can call me "part of the problem" if you like, but I submit that
> >> there is nothing wrong with dissent and/or healthy debate. What if
> >> our forfathers had never dissented against King Geroge?
> >>
> >> peace,
> >> dude
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> dude, dude, dude.
> >>>
> >>> if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
> >>>
> >>>> Why is this the *only* acceptable solution? As long as I keep my
> >>>> food away from da bears, haven't I complied
> >>>
> >>> the cans are the only FAILSAFE way to keep the food away from the
> >>> bears, and ignoring the requirement 'cause you like chasing bears
> >>> around at 3:00 a.m. is up to you. And when your methods fail come
> >>> back to the list and tell us why, and how "geez, if I had a can that
> >>> wouldn't have happened".
> >>>
> >>> go bears,
> >>> s.c.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> >>> To: <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
> >>> Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> >>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:31 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru-Hikers and cans (was Scary bear story
> >>> ?hanging food)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> you've written that like it's a bad thing 2 folks who are in
> >>>>> charge of the area implemented the rule. The fact remains that if
> >>>>> everyone carried and properly stored their food in a can, the
> >>>>> "bear problem" would go away.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not True! As I've stated before, as long as Joe Touron continues
> >>>> to feed the bears in Yosemite his gorp and candy bars, the problem
> >>>> will continue. What's worse is that after the bears in Yosemite
> >>>> valley get bad due to Joe Touron, they "reward" the back country
> >>>> users by relocating the bear to a backcountry area that is only
> >>>> accessed by the people who do their best to keep food away from
> >>>> bears anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Smarter folks always have to adjust the way they do
> >>>>> things due to the actions of the not so smart.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree. This is just how the world works, but that doesn't mean
> >>>> that we should just roll over and take the solution sthat is
> >>>> presented to us as if it were gospel. There is more than one way
> >>>> to skin a cat.
> >>>>
> >>>>> It's mandatory for a
> >>>>> hiker to have a backpack if they go hiking for extended periods,
> >>>>
> >>>> Says who? I did the JMT in 2002 with a fanny pack only.
> >>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> bear can should be considered essential equipment as well as soon
> >>>>> as the bears come out of their dens for the summa' in the hot
> >>>>> areas they've learned to take down hangs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why is this the *only* acceptable solution? As long as I keep my
> >>>> food away from da bears, haven't I complied?
> >>>>
> >>>>
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