[pct-l] Mike's bear experiment

[msaenz at mve-architects.com (Mike Saenz)]

I figured that if a bear found both the can and the hung bag near each
other, we'd see which one got the most attention.

Not exactly "The Scientific Method", but it would have ("would have"
being the key words here) vindicated my insistence that we carry a bear
can.

But as the only wildlife that was interested in our food were the (very
persistent and extremely brave) chipmunks. The can and the hung bag were
un-molested.

We DID have an awfully close call with a marmot that had found our packs
where we left them to go fishing. We had just walked up to them when the
furry critter began his approach to our packs. Another five minute and
he would have caused trouble...


M i c h a e l   S a e n z
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Courtway [mailto:scourtway@bpa-arch.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:12 PM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mike's bear experiment

mr. saenz writes:

>So, as an"experiment" we had the can sitting directly underneath the
hung
food bag. Each night we set this up in this manner. ...and not even the
slightest evidence of any bear was found the entire trip!

what exactly was logical basis of your experiment, other than providing
a
step-stool for the bear to reach your hung bag ?

s.c.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
To: "Joel Dasenko" <dbcpa@empnet.com>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Bear boxes on PCT in Southern Sierras


> Ahhhhhhhhh.......
>
> Just back from 4 days in the Golden Trout Wilderness. Had an awesome
> time!
>
> Regarding bear boxes, I didn't see any at the Cottonwood Pass
trailhead
> out of Horseshoe Meadow. The ranger station, though not requiring bear
> cans, "highly recommended" them. The guy I talked to said that there
was
> a bear that works this area that knows how to take down even the best
> counterbalanced hangs. So I rented a can. My buddy scoffed at the bear
> threat and insisted on hanging his food. Actually, since we shared the
> food load, we had some of it in the can, and some of it hung. So, as
an
> "experiment" we had the can sitting directly underneath the hung food
> bag. Each night we set this up in this manner. ...and not even the
> slightest evidence of any bear was found the entire trip!
>
> We started out from Horseshoe Meadow at around 9am Friday morning
(drove
> up from work Thursday night, a six hour drive, and slept in the back
of
> my truck) and made for Cottonwood Pass. At the pass, the PCT crosses
the
> trail down into the GTW. We took the PCT for a short hike up to
Chicken
> Spring Lake Saw no one until we pitched camp at the lake. We tried
> everything to catch fish, but we didn't even get "nibbles". Temps
ranged
> from the high 80's, with a very refreshing cold wind, to 39 at night.
> "severe clear" and BIG blue skies.
> Next morning was cross-country down to Big Whitney Meadow, then
westward
> to Rocky Basin Lakes. Saturday night camp was just below Rocky Basin
> alongside a pretty little pond (though I made it to the largest lake
of
> Rocky Basin via the "footpath" route, I became separated from my buddy
> and spent 3 hours and 7 miles before finding him camped alongside the
> "horse trail". By the time we hooked up again, neither he nor I was
> interested in hiking up to the lakes - a small adventure story in
> itself...
> The next morning we climbed the rest of the way to Rocky Basin. As it
> was very warm and the hike up to the lakes was fairly strenuous AND we
> were three days without a shower, when we got to the first lake, the
> packs were dropped, the clothes were stripped off and into the water
we
> went! Very cold water, but washing away the grime, sweat and crusty
DEET
> residue was well worth the shivers!
> The rest of the day was spent trying to catch fish at Rocky Basin
Lakes,
> but again, we were "skunked". We left the lakes in the late afternoon
to
> start our hike back.
>
> I was told by a ranger from the Lone Pine station that "every stream
and
> lake is filled with hungry fish". Hmmmmmm... could it be my fishing
> skills? ...Naw...
>
> We DID see many fish in the streams that meander through Big Whitney
> Meadow as we crossed it heading to Rocky Basin. I tried casting to
them,
> but the streams are only about 2-3 feet wide and the trout spook
easily.
> I didn't catch any (got a couple of strikes, but no takers). Also, a
> massive grasshopper hatch was underway with plague-proportions of tiny
> hoppers swarming around the trail crossing. A significant percentage
of
> these were falling into the water to be devoured by the trout waiting
in
> the water below.
> Sunday was our hike back. We camped in that big island of trees in the
> middle of Big Whitney Meadow. We wanted fresh morning legs for the
climb
> back up Cottonwood Pass.
> After pitching camp, we saw a guy fishing one of the steams, so I
walked
> out to the water to try my luck again. I tied on a dry bumble bee fly
> (looks remarkable like a black grasshopper when wet...) on my third
> cast, a 5 inch golden trout made a grab for it! That was my single
fish
> caught the entire trip. While cleaning it, I found that it was
literally
> STUFFED with small grasshoppers! It was into the frying pan to
> supplement our dinner that night! Heard coyote howls during the night
in
> the meadow, but aside from that it was dead quiet.
> The mosquitoes were active at dawn and again at dusk, but with liberal
> applications of DEET, they were manageable. I got bit a few times, but
> it was a very small price to pay for such a glorious 4-day weekend!
>
> Head properly adjusted and back in the office...
>
> M i c h a e l   S a e n z
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> A r c h i t e c t u r e    P l a n n i n g    I n t e r i o r s
> w  w  w  .  m  v  e  -  a  r  c  h  i  t  e  c  t  s  .  c  o  m
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Dasenko [mailto:dbcpa@empnet.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:51 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Bear boxes on PCT in Southern Sierras
>
> >
> >
> Last year or 2, someone posted the locations of bear boxes on or near
> the PCT.  Hopefully, someone can provide a list of the areas on or
near
> the PCT between Cottonwood Pass and Mono Creek where bearproof boxes
> exist.  My son and I are carrying bear cannisters, but early on there
is
>
> no way all the food will fit.  Thanks for any help. Joel Dasenko.
>
>
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