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- Subject: [pct-l] RE:B.A. Bags
- From: jcoyle at sanjuan.edu (John Coyle)
- Date: Thu Dec 11 01:52:43 2003
I too have noticed a lot of people using B.A. bags and I have to admit the
idea of no down on the bottom seems logical to me. Compressed down
underneath doesn't have much insulation value. However I roll around a lot
during the night, sometimes even off the pad, and sometimes the bottom of my
bag is on the side or even top of me if I go completely around on my
stomach. I think this could be a problem with the bottomless bags for
someone like me. Although, I guess with the bottomless bags the pad is
attached to the bag and therefore would roll with it. Has this been a
problem with you rollers who have B.A. bags or some of the others like the
English RAB Top, or Arc Alpinist?
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1. Re: Resupply in Etna? (Slyatpct@aol.com)
2. RE: Resupply in Etna? (Ron Smith)
3. golite feather (Rebecca Emily Selling)
4. Re: golite feather (Judith Rush)
5. Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 7, Issue 24, Down Marmot Helium
(Alistair & Gail Des Moulins)
6. Tyvek sleeping bag liner. (MONTE ANN DODGE)
7. Re: resupply strategies for 2004? (Christopher Willett)
8. Re: NYTimes.com Article: A Canadian Drama: Exit Bears,Pursued
by Hum... (Richard)
9. p.c.t not just for hikers anymore (robert vance)
10. Re: p.c.t not just for hikers anymore (Edmond Meinfelder)
11. Titanium pot on sale (Joanne Lennox)
12. Re: p.c.t not just for hikers anymore (robert vance)
13. RE: p.c.t not just for hikers anymore (Richard)
14. Re: p.c.t not just for hikers anymore (Bighummel@aol.com)
15. Big Agnes sleeping bag (Bighummel@aol.com)
16. Re: Big Agnes sleeping bag (John Ryan)
17. Re: Big Agnes sleeping bag (Mara Factor)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:05:05 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Resupply in Etna?
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In a message dated 11/24/2003 8:43:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
chwillet@indiana.edu writes:
> To offer a different opinion, I went by Etna this summer, going from
> Dunsmuir to Seiad straight through. Dunsmuir to Etna took 5 days
> through some really nice terrain.
>
Dunsmuir or Castle Crags to Etna Summit was one of my favorite sections of
trail in California. I did go into town however. We got a ride by a local
checking out the view at the summit, that loved the word "groovy".
Everything was
groovy, and on the way into town he was all over the road, showing us the
sights, while drinking a beer and smoking a bone! He was cool.
Unfortunately,
no one was at the hostel, so he drove us over to the motel on the other end
of
town. They were hiker friendly and let us use the washer and dryer. Decent
prices too, back in '00.
It was a groovy town!
Sly
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:22:37 -0800
From: "Ron Smith" <ronyon@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Resupply in Etna?
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I'll join the chorus of Etna enthusiasts in saying that I had a great
stopover there in 2001. Experiencing the charm of small towns like Etna
and Seiad Valley is one of the reasons I love thru-hiking. These places
normally don't get more than a glance out of the car window from
passers-by, but collectively are a large part of Americana. Visiting
them on foot allowed me to see them much more intimately than I ever
would as a tourist, if I bothered to stop.
In my case, my feet needed a zero-day regardless. I spent two enjoyable
nights at the hiker hut, which I considered a bargain. I was a day or
two behind a large wave of thru-hikers and noticed that most of them had
signed the register at the hut. This tells me that lots if not most
thru-hikers do stop in Etna.
Ron Smith
> My thru-hike itinerary, (taken from the PCT Hiker's Handbook) calls
for
> resupplying in Etna, CA. I've noticed that the Data Book and also the
Town
> Guide both skip over Etna and go from Castella to Seiad Valley as
resupply
> options? Well, the town guide mentions Etna but not as a primary
resupply
> point. Etna's not even mentioned in the Data book?
>
> My question is, do most thru-hikers skip Etna and resupply at Castella
and
> Seiad Valley which are ~157 miles apart! Or, is it worth it to stop at
> Etna?
> I'm planning on averaging about 25 mi./day from Castella - Seaid
Valley,
> so
> that's about 6.5 days food...
>
> Brian Bowlsby
> PCT '04
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:52:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "Rebecca Emily Selling" <res46@cornell.edu>
Subject: [pct-l] golite feather
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Hi Everyone,
Does anyone use the golite "feather" 20? down bag? Or heard anything
about it? Any and all input appreciated. Thanks!!
Becky Selling
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:00:44 -0500
From: "Judith Rush" <crush@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] golite feather
To: "Rebecca Emily Selling" <res46@cornell.edu>,
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Keltys lightyear 25 is 6 oz lighter , and more than 100 dollars cheaper.
Also check out Western Mountaineering, and Feathered Friends,their bags are
even lighter, but cost more.
Judy
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> Hi Everyone,
> Does anyone use the golite "feather" 20? down bag? Or heard anything
> about it? Any and all input appreciated. Thanks!!
> Becky Selling
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:35:04 -0700
From: "Alistair & Gail Des Moulins" <aandg@telusplanet.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 7, Issue 24, Down Marmot Helium
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Gail and I both carried the Marmot Helium the whole way from Campo to
Manning Park in 2003. We left Campo on April 11th and reached Manning Park
September 30th. We used them with Ridgerest sleeping pads.
We endured the April 21/22 storm in the San Jacintos, heavy rain near
Silverwood Lake May 3, snow around Baden Powell May 7, snow at 10,000' near
Sonora Pass 23/24 June, Rain before Ashland 2-4 Aug, cold rain around
Snowqualmie pass 9-11 Sep, snow near Stevens Pass 15-16 Sep.
The coldest night we had was 23F(-5C). We were a bit cool on those nights
below 30F but think that was more due to the Ridgerest than the Sleeping
bag. We were never uncomfortably cold on any night. The bags lasted well
during the trip - a few feathers came out of small holes in the fabric which
may have occurred from vegetation when lying the bags out to dry. I found
the half length zip a bit hard to work sometimes but having only a half zip
was only a problem on about 7 nights with minimum temperature above 60F(16C)
mostly near Castella in the latter half of July. Only having half length zip
would have kept us warmer on the cool nights.
We kept the bags double wrapped in garbage bags so they did not get wet
while moving or when we did slip crossing a couple of creeks in the Sierras,
but they did get damp in our small tent on some of the above occasions. The
bags dried out very quickly at extended lunch stops the day after these rain
and snow events. I don't think we ever had more than 2 consecutive wet
nights.
Maybe if I did the PCT again I'd go with a 25F-32F bag with an ultralight
thermarest - which would probably work out about the same for weight, be
just as warm and more comfortable.
Alistair (and Gail)
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:37:40 EST
> From: Lonetrail@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bags, Down vs Synthetic
> To: Steven.Setzer@Colorado.EDU, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> Hey
>
> Adventure 16 is having a coupon sale. 20 to 25% off. I received their
> literature thru the mail. I may buy the Marmot Helium 15 degree 32 oz
sleeping bag
> Long. The only question I have is that they only make a left hand bag and
zipper
> only goes half way down. I can get 20% of retail price with coupon. Can
> anyone give me some input.
>
> lonetrail
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:25:03 -0800
From: "MONTE ANN DODGE" <montedodge@msn.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Tyvek sleeping bag liner.
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Everything not edible can be made from Tyvek , ductape and J.B. Weld.!!!
Make a tyvek insert for your stuff sack which holds up well and won't rip
like plastic. Down is the " HandsDown" pick for bags on the PCT.. ( Second
place maybe a homemade sleeping quilt which is light as well) Tyvek keeps
your down dry!!!###%%%. Good luck.From david_tibor@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24
16:13:26 2003
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Hi there all.
Well, the procrastination must end and the planning
for 2004 must begin. I'll be hiking the CA portion of
the PCT, starting at the kick off party.
Now that many of you have done the trail once or more,
do any of you have a recommended resupply strategy? I
can see mailing most of my packages with all the food
I need, except where there is a real market to
purchase from that is convenient to the trail/hitch.
I'll also have a bounce box for random things, and
perhaps for a portable CD burner for my digital
camera.
Can anyone give me their tips and ideas on their ideal
resupply strategy? (Or point me to theirs on various
web sites, etc. where they have been posted already?)
Thanks!
Dave T.
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:32:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Willett <chwillet@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] resupply strategies for 2004?
To: David Tibor <david_tibor@yahoo.com>
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Here is how I resupplied for the CA portion of the PCT in 2003.
A more detailed write up can be found at
mypage.iu.edu/~chwillet/travel/PCT/resupply.html
I'm not a picky eater. Mac and Cheese, Ramen, Lipton's, etc, for
dinner. Lots of snickers bars, tortillas, crackers, cookies,
peanut butter, nutella, nuts for lunches. Assorted
granola bars for breakfast. With than in mind, keep reading.
I started with 2 days of food. Then,
1) Mt. Laguna. Tiny store, but good enough. It takes only cash. No
credit cards.
2) Warner Springs. Maildrop from home. You could resupply at the
gas station, but it is tight there.
3) Idyllwild. Big store, big town. No need for a maildrop.
4) Big Bear City. Lots of stores. The one across from the PO is
medium sized and is easy to resupply in. Larger stores further
a field, but there is a bus system in town.
5) Cajon Pass. The gas station next to the McDonald's is perfectly
adequate for resupply and had a good selection of the Mrs.Fields
cookies that I came to loved.
6) Agua Dulce. The little store in town can be used for
resupply. Much better, though, is to stay with the
Saufley's and borrow a car to go into one of the larger
towns in the area, where there are regular supermarkets.
Bought and mailed food to Kennedy Meadows and VVR (see later
note).
7) Mojave. Big supermarket about a mile from Whites motel.
No HEET or denatured in town when I was there.
8) Kennedy Meadows. Maildrop from Agua Dulce. Supplies at the
general store, but a maildrop is probably best here if you are
planning not to get out at Lone Pine or Independence. HEET.
9) VVR. Maildrop from AD, but unnecessary. Lots of reasonably
priced food here, along with denatured, cannisters, and White Gas.
10) Tuolumne Meadows. Good store, easy resupply.
11) South Lake Tahoe. If you pass it up, you're a fool.
Caesar's buffet is the best AYCE on trail, although be
warned that they'll kick you out after 3 hours (2 hour
time limit), as happened to at least 2 hikers this summer.
Big stores.
12) Sierra City. Smallish store, but relatively easy resupply.
Sent a food drop to Burney Falls SP.
13) Belden. Skip it. You can buy supplies out of the store, though.
Keep pushing to Chester.
14)Chester. I didn't resupply here, although there is a big store
in town. Good eats at the Kopper Kettle.
15) Burney Falls SP. You can resupply out of the camp store,
but it is pricey. The most expensive food on the trail, easily.
I sent a maildrop.
16) Dunsmuir. Good store in town. HEET at the automotive parts
store across from the B&B. You can resupply at the gas station
(Amarattis) in Castella.
17) Seiad Valley. Resupply at the small store.
Chris
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, David Tibor wrote:
> Hi there all.
>
> Well, the procrastination must end and the planning
> for 2004 must begin. I'll be hiking the CA portion of
> the PCT, starting at the kick off party.
>
> Now that many of you have done the trail once or more,
> do any of you have a recommended resupply strategy? I
> can see mailing most of my packages with all the food
> I need, except where there is a real market to
> purchase from that is convenient to the trail/hitch.
> I'll also have a bounce box for random things, and
> perhaps for a portable CD burner for my digital
> camera.
>
> Can anyone give me their tips and ideas on their ideal
> resupply strategy? (Or point me to theirs on various
> web sites, etc. where they have been posted already?)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave T.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:55:03 -0800
From: Richard <calliger@infolane.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] NYTimes.com Article: A Canadian Drama: Exit
Bears,Pursued by Hum...
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I cary my long ice axe as a hiking pole in Grizzly Country (caps deliberate)
but in my couple of trips there never had an encounter. First trip was in
early 1971 or
1972 on my honeymoon, then later in 92... what a difference in the build up!
Richard
At 12:50 PM 11/24/03 EST, Slyatpct@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 11/24/2003 12:34:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>brick@fastpack.com writes:
>
>> But it was the hiker who showed the most ferocity. He
>> growled and punched the bear in the nose, forcing the
>> confused creature into retreat, recalled a senior park
>> warden who investigated the case.
>>
>
>I always said that was going to be my defense in a close encounter. Not
sure
>if I have the B's to actually do it, but that's what I say I'm going to do!
>: )
>
>YMMV
>
>Sly
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:33:54 -0800 (PST)
From: robert vance <hikerrobbie@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] p.c.t not just for hikers anymore
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the p.c.t. is known for many things,grand mountain ranges,glaciers,deserts
and friendly people. well apperently some people are being a little too
friendly on part of the trail.
i was coming back from palm springs a couple of weeks ago, and decided to
stop off at the p.c.t.s I-10 trailhead to bbq up some lunch. i was sitting
by the I-10 undepass eating when a riverside county sherriff stopped by. i
figured it was just a routine check ,so i gave him my id and explained that
i was just a harmless p.c.t. fan,which after looking at my cars p.c.t.
decal had no problem beliveing.now here`s where it gets strange(i hope your
sitting down),he told me he came to check me out because they had been
having problems there.he told me the underpass had gained noterioty as
a(your not going to belive this!)gay crusing spot! i guess that part of the
p.c.t. is now known as the inland empires new ,umm gay hangout(this really
explaned some of the graffitti i saw).
just when you think youve heard it all.rob
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At 05:32 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, Christopher Willett wrote:
>I'm not a picky eater. Mac and Cheese, Ramen, Lipton's, etc, [...]
I think not being a picky eater really helps when resupplying at some of
the smaller places. Some of the places Chris mentions like the gas station
at Cajon Pass are simply gas stations with a small "mini-mart" selection of
food. In this case, as you're a day away from Wrightwood, it's fine, but it
might not be fun for a 5-7 day resupply, if you need variety in your food
as I do.
There is nothing wrong with the resupply strategy Chris supplies, but I
thought it'd be nice to have some alternative thoughts mixed in.
Also the PCTA web site has a nice article on resupply strategy:
http://www.pcta.org//planning/before_trip/strategy.asp
And, if you are behind the mob of hikers or even in the thick of it, you
may find the smaller stores picked clean.
>5) Cajon Pass. The gas station next to the McDonald's is perfectly
>adequate for resupply and had a good selection of the Mrs.Fields
>cookies that I came to loved.
You can also get a Big Mac to go. :)
>6) Agua Dulce. The little store in town can be used for
>resupply. Much better, though, is to stay with the
>Saufley's and borrow a car to go into one of the larger
>towns in the area, where there are regular supermarkets.
>Bought and mailed food to Kennedy Meadows and VVR (see later
>note).
If you are in the "teaming mass" of hikers as I was, it may be quicker to
hitch into town on your own. Or, quicker still to send yourself a package
from an earlier town. You may feel better about depending less on trail
angels.
>7) Mojave. Big supermarket about a mile from Whites motel.
>No HEET or denatured in town when I was there.
Tehachapi is an alternative to Mojave. I've been to both and like the
flavor of Tehachapi more. While in Tehachapi, I was adopted twice by locals
who wanted to show me the town. I have a hard time imagining that happen in
Mojave. However, city planning is not one of Tehachapi's strong points and
the spread out nature of the town drives many hikers nuts. I didn't mind it.
>9) VVR. Maildrop from AD, but unnecessary. Lots of reasonably
>priced food here, along with denatured, cannisters, and White Gas.
Mammoth Lakes is a great resupply but mid-way on a 4-day trek between VVR
and Tuolumne Meadows. However, it's a great place to pick up trekking poles
and shoes.
>11) South Lake Tahoe. If you pass it up, you're a fool.
>Caesar's buffet is the best AYCE on trail, although be
>warned that they'll kick you out after 3 hours (2 hour
>time limit), as happened to at least 2 hikers this summer.
>Big stores.
South Lake Tahoe is also a great place to get a new pair of shoes, if need
be. The Tahoe Pizza Company in South Lake was the pizza I had on the entire
trail.
>12) Sierra City. Smallish store, but relatively easy resupply.
>Sent a food drop to Burney Falls SP.
>13) Belden. Skip it. You can buy supplies out of the store, though.
>Keep pushing to Chester.
Belden is worth skipping. I went to Quicny. Not a great place a to get
shoes, but you can get some here. Large Supermarket in Quicny.
>15) Burney Falls SP. You can resupply out of the camp store,
>but it is pricey. The most expensive food on the trail, easily.
>I sent a maildrop.
The town of Burney is an easy hitch and has a great supermarket.
>16) Dunsmuir. Good store in town. HEET at the automotive parts
>store across from the B&B. You can resupply at the gas station
>(Amarattis) in Castella.
An alternative is Shasta City. Again, a great place to get shoes and gear.
Also great if you want to do a side trip up Mount Shasta.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:06:51 -0700
From: Edmond Meinfelder <edmond@mydogmeg.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] p.c.t not just for hikers anymore
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At 07:33 PM 11/24/2003 -0800, robert vance wrote:
>he told me the underpass had gained noterioty as a(your not going to
>belive this!)gay crusing spot!
Is this the underpass you are talking about?
http://www.thruhikers.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=60&password=&sort=1&;
thecat=500
I recall the graffiti. You can see, but not read, it in the picture. Now it
makes sense. I think Kearsarge Pass would make a nicer, more romantic spot,
but that's just me...
Tangent
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:07:48 -0800
From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Titanium pot on sale
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I just got my titanium pot from REI - on sale for 28.00, Evernew Ultralight
1.3 L pot, weights 4.6 oz (Catalog says, I did not weight it)
This is somwhat lighter than the similar pot that I have been using for 4
years. The insulating rubber on the handle is mostly gone and it has two
sizeable dings on the bottom of my much used and blackened pot (the dings
compliments of two different horses that rolled on the pot when it was in
my "saddlebag").
I could probably go smaller but the width of the pot gives good energy
efficiency that a narrower pot wouldn't(more flames and heat would spill
around a narrower pot), and I have grown to like the size. I have also
found that I can nest 4 eggs in amongst the stove and support and then put
oats around the whole thing.
Goforth
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:43:12 -0800 (PST)
From: robert vance <hikerrobbie@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] p.c.t not just for hikers anymore
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Edmond Meinfelder <edmond@mydogmeg.net> wrote: At 07:33 PM 11/24/2003 -0800,
robert vance wrote:
>he told me the underpass had gained noterioty as a(your not going to
>belive this!)gay crusing spot!
Is this the underpass you are talking about?
I recall the graffiti. You can see, but not read, it in the picture. Now it
makes sense. I think Kearsarge Pass would make a nicer, more romantic spot,
but that's just me...
thats the one, i had my bbq set up on the righthand side of the picture
some graffitti was on the brown trail sign.
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Is there a law against gay hikers in Riverside County? I'm not sure why this
would be a "problem" for you or the sheriff.
Btw, you probably didn't notice while you were in Palm Springs, but I'd
posit that it is "the inland empires new ,umm gay hangout"--not some freeway
underpass. As evidence, here's an excerpt from the Los Angeles Times,
November 8:
"Newly elected mayor Ron Oden is Palm Springs' first openly gay mayor, and
he will be joined by a gay majority on the council, reflecting the influx of
gay and lesbian home buyers who flocked to the city during the 1990s, making
its mid-century architecture and downtown village atmosphere suddenly trendy
again."
This is the twenty-first century--even on the PCT. Get used to it.
-----Original Message-----
From: robert vance
i was coming back from palm springs a couple of weeks ago, and decided to
stop off at the p.c.t.s I-10 trailhead to bbq up some lunch. i was sitting
by the I-10 undepass eating when a riverside county sherriff stopped by. i
figured it was just a routine check ,so i gave him my id and explained that
i was just a harmless p.c.t. fan,which after looking at my cars p.c.t.
decal had no problem beliveing.now here`s where it gets strange(i hope your
sitting down),he told me he came to check me out because they had been
having problems there.he told me the underpass had gained noterioty as
a(your not going to belive this!)gay crusing spot! i guess that part of the
p.c.t. is now known as the inland empires new ,umm gay hangout(this really
explaned some of the graffitti i saw).
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:34:52 -0800
From: Richard <calliger@infolane.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] p.c.t not just for hikers anymore
To: "Carl (1977 Kelty Kid)" <csiechert@hotmail.com>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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You got something against underpasses? We have had some pretty good
times beneath an underpass... not just the gays..it is a human thingy..
<smiles>
"SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL UNDERPASS"
R
At 10:40 PM 11/24/03 -0800, Carl (1977 Kelty Kid) wrote:
>Is there a law against gay hikers in Riverside County? I'm not sure why
this
>would be a "problem" for you or the sheriff.
>Btw, you probably didn't notice while you were in Palm Springs, but I'd
>posit that it is "the inland empires new ,umm gay hangout"--not some
freeway
>underpass. As evidence, here's an excerpt from the Los Angeles Times,
>November 8:
>"Newly elected mayor Ron Oden is Palm Springs' first openly gay mayor, and
>he will be joined by a gay majority on the council, reflecting the influx
of
>gay and lesbian home buyers who flocked to the city during the 1990s,
making
>its mid-century architecture and downtown village atmosphere suddenly
trendy
>again."
>This is the twenty-first century--even on the PCT. Get used to it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: robert vance
>
>i was coming back from palm springs a couple of weeks ago, and decided to
>stop off at the p.c.t.s I-10 trailhead to bbq up some lunch. i was sitting
>by the I-10 undepass eating when a riverside county sherriff stopped by. i
>figured it was just a routine check ,so i gave him my id and explained that
>i was just a harmless p.c.t. fan,which after looking at my cars p.c.t.
>decal had no problem beliveing.now here`s where it gets strange(i hope your
>sitting down),he told me he came to check me out because they had been
>having problems there.he told me the underpass had gained noterioty as
>a(your not going to belive this!)gay crusing spot! i guess that part of the
>p.c.t. is now known as the inland empires new ,umm gay hangout(this really
>explaned some of the graffitti i saw).
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:52:02 EST
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] p.c.t not just for hikers anymore
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<<<
after looking at my cars p.c.t.
decal had no problem beliveing
>>>
My college age daughter tried to enter a private parking area near Cal Poly
Pomona the other day but was turned away by an attendant. However, as she
turned the car around he stopped her and said "Hey, anyone with a PCT
sticker on
their car can park here for free by me, I hiked the trail in 1982!" My
daughter told him that I was into supporting the trail and that was why the
sticker
was on her car.
You just never know when that little sticker will strike a familiar nerve.
Of course, a PCT sticker on a car is sort of a contradiction to me, however,
any increase in public awareness of the PCT is likely to help the
stewardship
support.
Greg
"Strider"
Hummel
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:15:54 EST
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Big Agnes sleeping bag
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Has anyone owned and/or used a Big Agnes sleeping bag system? They seem to
be on to the "pad only underneath" idea of the quilt and pad idea. Their
mummy
design bags have a standard design top with a sleeve underneath that takes a
pad and no other insulation. Their Zirkel bag long is only 2 lbs, 5 oz.
rated
at 20 degrees using 775 down. Their lightest pad to go with it is 19 oz.
(but
a home cut closed cell would be lighter for you minimalists).
They are expensive but interesting design. You sew-it-yourselfers ought to
be able to make a lighter weight-cheaper version with most of the features.
I
need one to fit a person 81 inches long!
Greg
"Strider"
Hummel
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:37:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "John Ryan" <johnryan@fastmail.ca>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Big Agnes sleeping bag
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Hey Strider,
I used a Big Agnes "Mica" (20 F, Polarguard 3D Fill) for my 2001
thru-hike and have used it on every overnight excursion since the
PCT. It's a good bag for the weight but I've found that the z-rest I
use as the insertable sleeping mat doesn't fit as snugly as the Big
Agnes Mummy Pad probably does. So as I tend to get drafts robbing my
precious body heat, I've been using a fleece liner and on some
really cold stretches one of those reflective thermal bags to go
over the Big Agnes. My only major gripe with the bag is that there's
too much dead air space inside, from the torso up. Elastic going
around the bag would help keep it closer to the body. But that may
be personal preference, I like a snug fit when I'm sleepin'.
Peace
-John "sassafras"
> Has anyone owned and/or used a Big Agnes sleeping bag system?
> They seem to be on to the "pad only underneath" idea of the quilt
> and pad idea. Their mummy design bags have a standard design top
> with a sleeve underneath that takes a pad and no other insulation.
> Their Zirkel bag long is only 2 lbs, 5 oz. rated at 20 degrees
> using 775 down. Their lightest pad to go with it is 19 oz. (but a
> home cut closed cell would be lighter for you minimalists).
>
> They are expensive but interesting design. You sew-it-yourselfers
> ought to be able to make a lighter weight-cheaper version with
> most of the features. I need one to fit a person 81 inches long!
>
> Greg
> "Strider"
> Hummel
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:54:30 -0500
From: "Mara Factor" <m_factor@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Big Agnes sleeping bag
To: Bighummel@aol.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
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Hey Strider!
I've been using the Zirkel/REM Air Core combo for a while now. I had it
with me all year for OZ/NZ, then the PCT, and finally my road trip. You can
read my reviews at backpackgeartest.org. More specifically:
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Sleep%20Gear/Sleeping%20Bags/Big%20A
gnes%20Zirkel%2020%20degree%20bag/
Now that I've used it even longer, I should add an addendum to the report...
I did have a tiny leak in my pad that was probably a manufacturer's
defect. I tried patching it but the patch didn't hold because the leak was
near the valve. BA replaced the pad. I now have two down leaks in the bag
at the stress points where the pad gets inserted into the sleeve. I just
need to sew about 3/4 inch of a split seam on either side to fix the
problem.
Even though the REM Air Core pads are only designed for 32+ degrees and
arent' recommended in partnership with the Zirkel, I need the padding of the
REM Air Core. For those times when it's likely the ground and/or air temp
will be below freezing, I also carry an Evazote pad, cut to shape. Works
for me and it still weighs less than my Thermarest LE.
At 73", I use the long bag and have a bit of extra room. In theory, the
bags are 78" long but designed to only fit up to 74". While you might be
able to fit a couple of extra inches in there, I figure if I'm not able to
be at all comfortable in bags designed for 72", I would seriously doubt your
ability to use the long. With the integrated bag and pad system, the bag
feels even more "rigid" than a separate sleeping bag and pad combo.
FWIW, I was surprised at the number of people I saw with BA bags and pads on
the PCT this past year. At one point, camping with about 6 or 7 others, 4
of us had BA products.
Mara
http://friends.backcountry.net/m_factor
>From: Bighummel@aol.com
>To: pct-l@backcountry.net
>Subject: [pct-l] Big Agnes sleeping bag
>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:15:54 EST
>
>Has anyone owned and/or used a Big Agnes sleeping bag system? They seem to
>be on to the "pad only underneath" idea of the quilt and pad idea. Their
>mummy
>design bags have a standard design top with a sleeve underneath that takes
>a
>pad and no other insulation. Their Zirkel bag long is only 2 lbs, 5 oz.
>rated
>at 20 degrees using 775 down. Their lightest pad to go with it is 19 oz.
>(but
>a home cut closed cell would be lighter for you minimalists).
>
>They are expensive but interesting design. You sew-it-yourselfers ought to
>be able to make a lighter weight-cheaper version with most of the features.
> I
>need one to fit a person 81 inches long!
>
>Greg
>"Strider"
>Hummel
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